Rumor: Albert to the Dolphins

[Titty Meat]

*Albert

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...-the-dolphins/

So that great 08' draft class won 0 playoff games and 3 of the better players from that draft are no longer on the team. Thanks Pioli.

[OldSchool]

"I didn’t like the way we competed and challenged on the outside," Ryan said. "When we call on (Milliner), I want him to get up there. Let’s go. Let’s play." The Jets had the indignity of getting carved up by Blaine Gabbert. It's just a reminder that cornerback is one of the most difficult positions for a rookie to learn, and that Milliner's play might not light up the world early in the season.

Coach Rex Ryan benched first-round CB Dee Milliner for the second half of Thursday night's game against the Patriots.
"You can’t afford mental mistakes against [Tom] Brady," Ryan said. "This young man's gonna be a great player. But I went with the veteran." Milliner let Kenbrell Thompkins slip behind him for what would have been a long touchdown before halftime had Thompkins held onto the ball. Milliner played just 38-of-66 snaps after playing all 67 snaps in the opener. He's going to experience growing pains.

The Jets benched rookie CB Dee Milliner for the second time this season in Sunday's Week 8 loss to Cincinnati.
Miller was benched in the second quarter after giving up a ton of catches to Marvin Jones, among others. Even before Sunday's loss, Pro Football Focus had graded Milliner very negatively in pass coverage. Rookie cornerbacks often struggle, but not quite as badly as Milliner has through five appearances. The Jets have repeatedly deemed former UDFA Darrin Walls a better option. Sun, Oct 27, 2013 09:44:00 PM

Dee Milliner was again benched in Sunday's Week 13 loss to the Dolphins.
It's the third time this season that the No. 9 overall pick has been benched in favor of former UDFA Darrin Walls. This time, it came after Milliner allowed Mike Wallace to get past him for a 28-yard touchdown in the third quarter. The Jets' No. 26 secondary faces the Raiders in Week 14 and Panthers in Week 15. Mon, Dec 2, 2013 07:57:00 AM

Yeaaah, sooo much better!

[Mugsy]

Where would we be right now if we hadn't have taken an OT #1 last year and finished the 2013 Season with the same result and were picking at #23? We'd be in the same financial situation and unable to re-sign Albert. We'd be desperate for a LT. To get a decent one we'd have to trade up in this draft. We don't really have the ammo to trade up and would have to give a 2015 second day pick. Dorsey recognized all of this last year. He wants to build through the draft and doesn't want to part with those picks. He should really get some credit. The top three OTs are better this year for sure but we would never have been able to get them. I'm happy we won last year. I'm happy we are picking at #23. I'm happy we have a real QB. I'm happy we aren't pigeon holed into taking a OT with the first pick.

Taking Fisher was a good move when you look at the big picture.

[The Franchise]

Originally Posted by Mugsy

Where would we be right now if we hadn't have taken an OT #1 last year and finished the 2013 Season with the same result and were picking at #23? We'd be in the same financial situation and unable to re-sign Albert. We'd be desperate for a LT. To get a decent one we'd have to trade up in this draft. We don't really have the ammo to trade up. Dorsey recognized all of this last year. He should really get some credit. The top three OTs are better this year for sure but we would never have been able to get them. I'm happy we won last year. I'm happy we are picking at #23. I'm happy we have a real QB. I'm happy we aren't pigeon holed into taking a OT with the first pick.

Taking Fisher was a good move.

[The Franchise]

Plus....it's a well known fact that you can ONLY find a good LT in the 1st round. You can't find them anywhere else in the draft.

[OldSchool]

That's kind of besides the point though. If you left it up to this bunch on CP, they would have drafted Geno Smith and the Chiefs would be picking #1 overall again this year.

Then they would draft Johnny Manziel.

[The Franchise]

Well, now that I know you're Blackbob.

[Mugsy]

Originally Posted by OldSchool

That's kind of besides the point though. If you left it up to this bunch on CP, they would have drafted Geno Smith and the Chiefs would be picking #1 overall again this year.

Then they would draft Johnny Manziel.

I am beginning to see where you are coming from. Some will never be happy taking an offensive linemen in the first round. The irony is most of our success over the last 25 years came from being built around the o-line. I like that the new regime has put an emphasis on that position group and started with a OT. This place will be a riot if we take an offensive linemen in the first round this year. People will go ballistic.

[OldSchool]

Originally Posted by Pestilence

Wasn't even ranked in the top 60 OTs by PFF. Really gonna bet on him to hold up against the defenses we'll be facing next year?

[TRR]

Tough to lose a quality Left Tackle, but Albert isn't worth the money he is going to get. Over the last few years, I felt Albert came in to camp a tad out of shape and had to play himself into it. Also, I get tired of a player with his potential constantly getting dinged/hurt/missing games. It seems over the last few years, he is routinely questionable.

Stephenson and Fisher will need to step up in 14'.
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[duncan_idaho]

Originally Posted by Mugsy

Where would we be right now if we hadn't have taken an OT #1 last year and finished the 2013 Season with the same result and were picking at #23? We'd be in the same financial situation and unable to re-sign Albert. We'd be desperate for a LT. To get a decent one we'd have to trade up in this draft. We don't really have the ammo to trade up and would have to give a 2015 second day pick. Dorsey recognized all of this last year. He wants to build through the draft and doesn't want to part with those picks. He should really get some credit. The top three OTs are better this year for sure but we would never have been able to get them. I'm happy we won last year. I'm happy we are picking at #23. I'm happy we have a real QB. I'm happy we aren't pigeon holed into taking a OT with the first pick.

Taking Fisher was a good move when you look at the big picture.

They'd probably be in the same spot: Letting Albert walk for money concerns and looking at Don Stephenson as the starting LT.

One difference is that we would have seen Stephenson play a full season at RT and have a better idea of how good he can be. The other is that they'd be looking at a different solution for the other tackle spot.

Originally Posted by Mugsy

I disagree, Joeckel was the higher floor and Fisher was the higher ceiling last year at this time. Also, they new they weren't re-signing Albert imo. They even flirted with trading him. That was a big piece of the puzzle. The draft had several good looking tackle prospects. Taking a OT was a no brainer if you really think about it. Fans should have seen that coming from a mile away. It's ironic to hear some talk about "hope" imo. Hope is why they don't like Fisher. They didn't get the QB they hoped for and want to be right.

Drafting Fisher was superior to drafting Joeckel, but that doesn't mean it was the right pick.

Those who don't like OT at No. 1 overall (like me) would prefer to see someone drafted there who can be a real impact player. Not "maybe top 10 at his position if everything works" out ceiling.

That's not just about "QB." Richardson, Austin, etc. also would have fit. I wasn't one of them, but there were some on this board banging the drum for both of those guys, among others.

[tecumseh]

Perhaps draft at Oline every OTHER year. We didn't draft Willie Roaf, yet it as an excellent trade. If Oline is a priority then go nuts out and get the best guys they can find, coach em' up and play hungry.

[RealSNR]

Originally Posted by Mugsy

I am beginning to see where you are coming from. Some will never be happy taking an offensive linemen in the first round. The irony is most of our success over the last 25 years came from being built around the o-line. I like that the new regime has put an emphasis on that position group and started with a OT. This place will be a riot if we take an offensive linemen in the first round this year. People will go ballistic.

People went ballistic when we drafted nothing but defensive linemen with our top picks and still had a shitty defensive line.

I WONDER IF THOSE TWO THINGS MIGHT BE RELATED....

[duncan_idaho]

Originally Posted by Mugsy

I am beginning to see where you are coming from. Some will never be happy taking an offensive linemen in the first round. The irony is most of our success over the last 25 years came from being built around the o-line. I like that the new regime has put an emphasis on that position group and started with a OT. This place will be a riot if we take an offensive linemen in the first round this year. People will go ballistic.

... And how successful have those teams been when it counted?

[tecumseh]

Originally Posted by SNR

People went ballistic when we drafted nothing but defensive linemen with our top picks and still had a shitty defensive line.

I WONDER IF THOSE TWO THINGS MIGHT BE RELATED....

Well the tape doesn't lie. So if youbring guys in you think are studs and they play like duds, the coaches should get the opportunity to fix their flaws. But, if they are too dumb or numb or lazy or whatever, thats on the scout that thought they were a good fit. There is a reason for bad play.

[Mugsy]

Originally Posted by SNR

People went ballistic when we drafted nothing but defensive linemen with our top picks and still had a shitty defensive line.

I WONDER IF THOSE TWO THINGS MIGHT BE RELATED....

Again, it's about expectations. Jackson turned out to be solid and Poe is really good. You aren't going to hit on every pick. It's like Dorsey recently said about Ted Thompson. The goal is to bat .500. If you can do that in the draft, you are doing a really good job.

Also, defensive linemen are notoriously slow to develop.

Do you wish we hadn't taken Poe after taking Dorsey and Jackson? I'm not sure I get your point.

What if it wasn't linemen? Would you be fine taking QB after QB in the first hoping to hit on one? Or, WR after WR like Detroit did? That sort of thing can sink a franchise. You gotta have the horses up front. It sounds to me like some just don't like drafting linemen early. I get how it's easy to like the flashy skill position players but I am a build through the lines kind of guy.

Some people are always going to go ballistic when their team doesn't take who they want. Nobody wanted Poe and everyone loves him now. it's about the big picture.