Talking Draft Prospects - Page 4

Direckshun · 08:24 PM

We've got perhaps the biggest, most consequential draft coming up for this franchise since 2008. The Chiefs have all seven of their picks, and will certainly be picking up an additional four in compensatory picks, one of which is assuredly a 3rd rounder.

As a result, it's important to familiarize ourselves with as much of this draft class as possible. I started a thread last offseason that discussed late rounders that was generally well liked and spurred tons of great conversation on all sorts of draft picks we normally wouldn't talk about, so I'm going to duplicate that idea this year, only discussing all talents, rather than just the mid- and lower-round ones.

The OP will be continually updated to show the talent I'm reviewing by position. Keep in mind as I list these players that I am generally listing their round projections, but it is not a strict big board, as I likely won't have a big board put together until May.

Spoiler!

nbarone007 · 10-02-2014, 11:30 PM

My first mock of 2015 (Have not dug too deep on players yet)

1st: Ty Montgomery- WR Stanford (Dynamic playmaker)
2nd: AJ Johnson- ILB Tennessee (Multiple year starter, big time run defender, SEC)
3rd: Eric Murray- CB Minnesota (Press man experience, played at a high level in big ten)
3rd: La'Raven Clark- OL Texas Tech (Versatile, multiple year starter)
4th: Melvin Lewis- DL Kentucky (Playing at a high level, can play NT)
5th: Derrick Malone- LB Oregon (Versatile and athletic)
5th: Isaiah Johnson- S Georgia Tech (Missed 2013, has athletic ability and was productive)
6th: Jacoby Brissett- QB NC State (The yearly developmental QB)
7th: Christian Jones- WR Alabama (Speed WR with KR/PR ability)
7th: Pharaoh Brown- TE Oregon (I like his name but he is 6'6 with good athletic ability)

I gave the Chiefs comp picks in the 3rd, 5th, and 7th. Not sure how comp picks work.

spanky 52 · 10-03-2014, 07:04 AM

ILB, WR, OL and CB. Re-sign Hudson and Bailey. Don't see Hali as a Chief next year.

Direckshun · 10-03-2014, 08:01 AM

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Originally Posted by nbarone007

My first mock of 2015 (Have not dug too deep on players yet)

1st: Ty Montgomery- WR Stanford (Dynamic playmaker)
2nd: AJ Johnson- ILB Tennessee (Multiple year starter, big time run defender, SEC)
3rd: Eric Murray- CB Minnesota (Press man experience, played at a high level in big ten)
3rd: La'Raven Clark- OL Texas Tech (Versatile, multiple year starter)
4th: Melvin Lewis- DL Kentucky (Playing at a high level, can play NT)
5th: Derrick Malone- LB Oregon (Versatile and athletic)
5th: Isaiah Johnson- S Georgia Tech (Missed 2013, has athletic ability and was productive)
6th: Jacoby Brissett- QB NC State (The yearly developmental QB)
7th: Christian Jones- WR Alabama (Speed WR with KR/PR ability)
7th: Pharaoh Brown- TE Oregon (I like his name but he is 6'6 with good athletic ability)

I gave the Chiefs comp picks in the 3rd, 5th, and 7th. Not sure how comp picks work.

This is an excellent mock. Great job, n00b! You are very welcome here.

Direckshun · 10-03-2014, 08:07 AM

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Originally Posted by nbarone007

The development of Fisher, Hudson, Stephenson the rest of this season is going to be huge.

Chiefs need to go OL or DE in the 1st round and 2nd round. Think those spots are the biggest needs with the lack of production at OG and the loss of Mike DeVito.

We should have at least two third round picks. We need to make good use of them and i'd go ILB and CB.

Im choosing to address WR in free agency. We basically need a 'decoy' type WR that will run deep and bring a safety with him. That will open up the field for guys like Kelce, DAT, Bowe, Charles, Thomas etc...

I would disagree. I think the Chiefs have their starting 5 on this roster for next year:

LT: Fisher
LG: Allen
C: Hudson (this is the #1 FA we must re-sign this offseason)
RG: Fulton
RT: Stephenson

We don't need to draft OL high. We do, however, have two of our DL becoming free agents (Bailey and Vickerson), and we're probably going to cut DeVito.

If that's the case, we need to re-sign Bailey. It's hard to say if the team wants to start Walker at the other DE spot. You'd think that if they wanted to, he'd be starting now. It's also possible that they like Jaye Howard to start. Which is reasonable.

If it were up to me, I'd re-sign Bailey AND Vickerson, and start them both.

Ultimately, I think Bailey, Vickerson, Walker, or Howard work as starters, and Catapano as decent depth. Whatever the Chiefs decide to do, I don't think DL is a high priority, either.

Right now, I agree with the folks who are saying the highest priorities should be WR and CB. Especially CB.

Direckshun · 10-03-2014, 08:17 AM

With all the contracts we're going to need to sign in upcoming years, is anybody else entertaining the idea of letting Berry walk in free agency?

OldSchool · 10-03-2014, 08:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun

With all the contracts we're going to need to sign in upcoming years, is anybody else entertaining the idea of letting Berry walk in free agency?

I would in all honesty, especially if we draft another safety high in the coming draft. Of course, this all depends on how much he's going to ask for. If he takes TJ Ward money, I'd keep him. Byrd money? Bye Berry, it was nice knowing you.

Build up front ala Panthers, 49ers, Cardinals, and become dominant there. IMO, that's the biggest key to becoming a consistently dominant defense.

If we put together a truly dominant front 7, which we're a lot closer to doing than putting together a good secondary, we can do well in the back end with guys who are assignment sound and have just enough instincts like an Abdullah.

OldSchool · 10-03-2014, 08:39 AM

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Originally Posted by nbarone007

My first mock of 2015 (Have not dug too deep on players yet)

1st: Ty Montgomery- WR Stanford (Dynamic playmaker)
2nd: AJ Johnson- ILB Tennessee (Multiple year starter, big time run defender, SEC)
3rd: Eric Murray- CB Minnesota (Press man experience, played at a high level in big ten)
3rd: La'Raven Clark- OL Texas Tech (Versatile, multiple year starter)
4th: Melvin Lewis- DL Kentucky (Playing at a high level, can play NT)
5th: Derrick Malone- LB Oregon (Versatile and athletic)
5th: Isaiah Johnson- S Georgia Tech (Missed 2013, has athletic ability and was productive)
6th: Jacoby Brissett- QB NC State (The yearly developmental QB)
7th: Christian Jones- WR Alabama (Speed WR with KR/PR ability)
7th: Pharaoh Brown- TE Oregon (I like his name but he is 6'6 with good athletic ability)

I gave the Chiefs comp picks in the 3rd, 5th, and 7th. Not sure how comp picks work.

I don't really like Montgomery, too much of a linear athlete for me to think that he'll ever become a great all-around WR.

Would much rather draft a guy like Kevin White or Amari Cooper in the 1st.

Direckshun · 10-03-2014, 08:49 AM

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Originally Posted by OldSchool

I don't really like Montgomery, too much of a linear athlete for me to think that he'll ever become a great all-around WR.

Would much rather draft a guy like Kevin White or Amari Cooper in the 1st.

The crappy thing about WR is that we don't really know what Dorsey likes there, yet. He's hardly brought anyone in!

He's paid Bowe, so he recognizes a good possession receiver. But look at the WRs he's freshly acquired, rather than extended: Avery, Jenkins, Thomas.

That suggests he cares about one thing above all else: mother****ing speed.

And there's one WR with a 1st round grade who has mother****ing speed, and is a Fisher/Ford-esque project, and that's Sammie Coates.

OldSchool · 10-03-2014, 08:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun

The crappy thing about WR is that we don't really know what Dorsey likes there, yet. He's hardly brought anyone in!

He's paid Bowe, so he recognizes a good possession receiver. But look at the WRs he's freshly acquired, rather than extended: Avery, Jenkins, Thomas.

That suggests he cares about one thing above all else: mother****ing speed.

And there's one WR with a 1st round grade who has mother****ing speed, and is a Fisher/Ford-esque project, and that's Sammie Coates.

I struggle with Coates because he is so dang raw, I don't see him making it onto the field much as a rookie, not with Reid running things.

Direckshun · 10-03-2014, 09:01 AM

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Originally Posted by OldSchool in 2013

I struggle with Fisher because he is so dang raw, I don't see him making it onto the field much as a rookie, not with Reid running things.

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Originally Posted by OldSchool in 2014

I struggle with Ford because he is so dang raw, I don't see him making it onto the field much as a rookie, not with Reid running things.

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Originally Posted by OldSchool in 2015

I struggle with Coates because he is so dang raw, I don't see him making it onto the field much as a rookie, not with Reid running things.

RunKC · 10-03-2014, 09:20 AM

I know people won't like this but I truly believe that if you have a QB, you start built in the key blocks: front 7 and OL. Front 7 looks really good right now aside from ILB. OL is meh, but in order to beat the tough teams you need a very good OL.
Look at the Cowboys OL. They've done a great job there.

SF has had so much success since 2011 bc they own the lines. That's how you win on the road. Give the QB time and pressure the QB.

Get a vet WR along with one in the draft, but build this thing up from inside out now that we have the QB.

RunKC · 10-03-2014, 09:22 AM

Also, I hope Dorsey trades up for some players. If he can use extra picks to trade up into the first, or get that 3rd into the 2nd rd, we're in business.

Frosty · 10-03-2014, 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun

I would disagree. I think the Chiefs have their starting 5 on this roster for next year:

LT: Fisher
LG: Allen
C: Hudson (this is the #1 FA we must re-sign this offseason)
RG: Fulton
RT: Stephenson

We don't need to draft OL high.

I really hope they can get an upgrade over Allen this off-season (though not in the 1st!). He just isn't a good guard and has plenty of time to prove it.

**The Franchise** · 10-03-2014, 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Frosty

I really hope they can get an upgrade over Allen this off-season (though not in the 1st!). He just isn't a good guard and has plenty of time to prove it.

I wouldn't be surprised if Allen takes over at RT and the find a replacement at LG.

Frosty · 10-03-2014, 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Pestilence

I wouldn't be surprised if Allen takes over at RT and the find a replacement at LG.

I don't mind keeping Allen as a swing tackle or RT, if he can beat out Stephenson, but no more Allen at G, please.

09-24-2014, 02:22 AM
Direckshun __ Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Springpatch Casino cash: $2033447	Talking Draft Prospects We've got perhaps the biggest, most consequential draft coming up for this franchise since 2008. The Chiefs have all seven of their picks, and will certainly be picking up an additional four in compensatory picks, one of which is assuredly a 3rd rounder. As a result, it's important to familiarize ourselves with as much of this draft class as possible. I started a thread last offseason that discussed late rounders that was generally well liked and spurred tons of great conversation on all sorts of draft picks we normally wouldn't talk about, so I'm going to duplicate that idea this year, only discussing all talents, rather than just the mid- and lower-round ones. The OP will be continually updated to show the talent I'm reviewing by position. Keep in mind as I list these players that I am generally listing their round projections, but it is not a strict big board, as I likely won't have a big board put together until May. Spoiler! QB Marcus Mariota, Oregon Jameis Winston, Florida State Brett Hundley, UCLA Connor Cook, Michigan State RB Todd Gurley, Georgia Melvin Gordon, Wisconsin Ameer Abdullah, Nebraska Mike Davis, South Carolina T.J. Yeldon, Alabama Tevin Coleman, Indiana Duke Johnson, Miami Jay Ajayi, Boise State FB WR Sammie Coates, Auburn Amari Cooper, Alabama Dorial Green-Beckham, Oklahoma Ty Montgomery, Stanford Kevin White, West Virginia DeVante Parker, Louisville Jaelen Strong, Arizona State Josh Harper, Fresno State Breshad Perriman, Central Florida Devin Smith, Ohio State Rashad Greene, Florida State TE Devin Funchess, Michigan Maxx Williams, Minnesota OT Cedric Ogbuehi, Texas A&M Brandon Schwerff, Iowa Andrus Peat, Stanford La'el Collins, LSU Spencer Drango, Baylor Ereck Flowers, Miami Cameron Erving, Florida State T.J. Clemmings, Pittsburgh Ronnie Stanley, Notre Dame Ty Sambrailo, Colorado State Jake Fisher, Oregon OG La'el Collins, LSU A.J. McCann, South Carolina Cameron Erving, Florida State Ty Sambrailo, Colorado State Josue Matias, Florida State Laken Tomlinson, Duke C Cameron Erving, Florida State Reese Dismukes, Auburn NT Danny Shelton, Washington Eddie Goldman, Florida State Malcom Brown, Texas Jordan Phillips, Oklahoma 4-3 DT and/or 3-4 DE Leonard Williams, USC Michael Bennett, Ohio State Mario Edwards, Jr., Florida State Malcom Brown, Texas Arik Armstead, Oregon Carl Davis, Iowa 4-3 DE Randy Gregory, Nebraska Shilique Calhoun, Michigan State Dante Fowler, Jr., Florida Shawn Oakman, Baylor Bronson Kaufusi, BYU Alvin Dupree, Kentucky Nate Orchard, Utah Owamagbe Odighizuwa, UCLA Danielle Hunter, LSU 3-4 OLB Randy Gregory, Nebraska Vic Beasley, Clemson Dante Fowler, Jr., Florida Shayne Ray, Missouri Bronson Kaufusi, BYU Lorenzo Maudlin, Louisville Alvin Dupree, Kentucky Nate Orchard, Utah Hau'oli Kikaha, Washington Eli Harold, Virginia Danielle Hunter, LSU 4-3 OLB/WILB Vic Beasley, Clemson Shaq Thompson, Washington Paul Dawson, TCU MLB/SILB Bernardrick McKinney, Mississippi State Denzel Perryman, Miami Eric Kendricks, UCLA CB Ifo Ekpre-Olomo, Oregon P.J. Williams, Florida State Marcus Peters, Washington Trae Waynes, Michigan State Jalen Collins, LSU Alex Carter, Stanford Quentin Rollins, Miami (OH) Kevin Johnson, Wake Forest SS Landon Collins, Alabama Anthony Harris, Virginia FS Gerod Holliman, Louisville K P Last edited by Direckshun; 03-04-2015 at 08:24 PM..
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10-02-2014, 11:30 PM	#46
nbarone007 Starter Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: New Jersey Casino cash: $10010300	My first mock of 2015 (Have not dug too deep on players yet) 1st: Ty Montgomery- WR Stanford (Dynamic playmaker) 2nd: AJ Johnson- ILB Tennessee (Multiple year starter, big time run defender, SEC) 3rd: Eric Murray- CB Minnesota (Press man experience, played at a high level in big ten) 3rd: La'Raven Clark- OL Texas Tech (Versatile, multiple year starter) 4th: Melvin Lewis- DL Kentucky (Playing at a high level, can play NT) 5th: Derrick Malone- LB Oregon (Versatile and athletic) 5th: Isaiah Johnson- S Georgia Tech (Missed 2013, has athletic ability and was productive) 6th: Jacoby Brissett- QB NC State (The yearly developmental QB) 7th: Christian Jones- WR Alabama (Speed WR with KR/PR ability) 7th: Pharaoh Brown- TE Oregon (I like his name but he is 6'6 with good athletic ability) I gave the Chiefs comp picks in the 3rd, 5th, and 7th. Not sure how comp picks work.
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10-03-2014, 07:04 AM	#47
spanky 52 Veteran Join Date: Mar 2008 Casino cash: $-894399	ILB, WR, OL and CB. Re-sign Hudson and Bailey. Don't see Hali as a Chief next year.
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10-03-2014, 08:17 AM	#50
Direckshun __ Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Springpatch Casino cash: $2033447	With all the contracts we're going to need to sign in upcoming years, is anybody else entertaining the idea of letting Berry walk in free agency?
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10-03-2014, 09:20 AM	#56
RunKC Andy Reid Supporter Join Date: Apr 2012 Casino cash: $-1570389	I know people won't like this but I truly believe that if you have a QB, you start built in the key blocks: front 7 and OL. Front 7 looks really good right now aside from ILB. OL is meh, but in order to beat the tough teams you need a very good OL. Look at the Cowboys OL. They've done a great job there. SF has had so much success since 2011 bc they own the lines. That's how you win on the road. Give the QB time and pressure the QB. Get a vet WR along with one in the draft, but build this thing up from inside out now that we have the QB. __________________ Mike Greenberg@Espngreeny I can’t fathom what it must be like to be a fan of the #Chiefs. Adopt a Chief: Jared Wiley
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10-03-2014, 09:22 AM	#57
RunKC Andy Reid Supporter Join Date: Apr 2012 Casino cash: $-1570389	Also, I hope Dorsey trades up for some players. If he can use extra picks to trade up into the first, or get that 3rd into the 2nd rd, we're in business. __________________ Mike Greenberg@Espngreeny I can’t fathom what it must be like to be a fan of the #Chiefs. Adopt a Chief: Jared Wiley
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