Chiefs Why baseball is improving and the NFL is getting worse - Page 2

chiefzilla1501 · 10-24-2015, 10:49 AM

Last night and this week said so much about why MLB leadership is kicking NFL leadership's ass.

To the NFL, the Royals would be a super bowl nightmare. Midwest city, not a national presence.

The MLB commissioner had a chance to boost ratings by eliminating defensive shifts. Getting rid of defense creates more offense which gets casual fans excited. He declined. The NFL, on the other hand, has chosen the past few years to emphasize defensive holding to open up an already advantaged passing game.

This defensive approach, by the way, favors small market. While the Yankees were loading up on power and pitching, the Royals countered with defense and bullpen. The Royals, in fact, beat a Blue Jays team that took that exact approach mid-season.

Even in the larger markets, this year FOUR out of eight playoff teams were teams that had a significant playoff drought -- Cubs, Toronto, Houston, Mets.

We saw a banned gambler and a justly punished PED in the studio. The NFL, on the other hand, is considering penalizing Johnny Manziel for an incident in which no charges were pressed and is dealing with a gambling site with integrity issues.

I love the NFL a hell of a lot more than I love MLB. It's just a shame to see the two very different directions the two leagues are moving in.

siberian khatru · 10-24-2015, 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by KCUnited

I went to Target and Home Depot this morning because I'm married

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**DaneMcCloud** · 10-24-2015, 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Raiderhader

The Chiefs are victims of their own stupidity.

So true

**Indian Chief** · 10-24-2015, 12:44 PM

There is no single position in baseball as vital as a QB1. Not even a front line starting pitcher is that important to the success of the team. Add to that the fact that out of 32 NFL teams only 12-14 teams actually have a good to great quarterback, and you have lack of parity that cannot be easily overcome.

**Bob Dole** · 10-24-2015, 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Saul Good

There always has been. We just didn't notice it because we sucked and blamed it on imbalance...while the Twins and Indians dominated our division.

The when big market teams poach the players you developed and pay them more than your entire roster, it's not balanced.

DaveNull · 10-24-2015, 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by KCUnited

I went to Target and Home Depot this morning because I'm married and was surprised by the number of randos that commented to me how exciting that 9th inning was last night. I wouldn't figure anyone outside of KC, Toronto, and New York would be watching on a Friday night, especially after a rain delay.

Plus the fact that it was on a random cable sports station that I didn't know I even had until the playoffs started.

dls6501 · 10-24-2015, 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Bob Dole

The when big market teams poach the players you developed and pay them more than your entire roster, it's not balanced.

People can cry about this all they want, yet baseball has more parity than any other sport.

chiefzilla1501 · 10-24-2015, 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Bearcat

The NFL cares only about money, even at the expense of the product. MLB, at least not now, hasn't lose sight of the product.

Bingo

chiefzilla1501 · 10-24-2015, 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by mcaj22

yup you nailed it

if the Chiefs were allowed to get away with defensive holding they would be in the Super Bowl! DAM YOU ROGER GOODELL FOR NOT LETTING A MIDWEST TEAM HOLD ON DEFENSE

or maybe, just maybe, the Royals have a lot of talent for their respective sport and the Chiefs have none, that might be logical.

This isn't just about the chiefs. The nfl has given an extraordinary advantage to any team with a franchise QB. It was already big before all the pass friendly rule changes.

Again, the mlb had a chance to make a similar decision by cracking down on defensive shifts. It would have improved ratings. But they didn't.

**The Bad Guy** · 10-24-2015, 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88

There is far more parity in MLB now than in the NFL.

Sure is.

And that's a sport sans salary cap.

If you have a QB, you win in the NFL. Sure, you get a team like the Bengals, and Broncos, but Packers, Patriots are hands down going to the SB. It would take a miracle for both not to.

Pitt Gorilla · 10-24-2015, 01:14 PM

The "new" market inefficiency is young players. In the post steroids era, older players aren't as valuable. KC may run into an issue here as we've traded away some youth at the deadline and have, somehow, been shut out of the competitive balance drafts.

Pitt Gorilla · 10-24-2015, 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Indian Chief

There is no single position in baseball as vital as a QB1. Not even a front line starting pitcher is that important to the success of the team. Add to that the fact that out of 32 NFL teams only 12-14 teams actually have a good to great quarterback, and you have lack of parity that cannot be easily overcome.

Perhaps, but the Dodgers are going to be in the playoffs every year because they can buy at least two front line starting pitchers for any particular year.

chiefzilla1501 · 10-24-2015, 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Pitt Gorilla

Perhaps, but the Dodgers are going to be in the playoffs every year because they can buy at least two front line starting pitchers for any particular year.

The advantage teams used to have with elite hitters is gone. So yeah, you have teams that can buy their way into the playoffs but they look like the redskins. A dysfunctional mess and a ****ed up team culture. The Yankees made the playoffs, interestingly, by following more of the Royals model. Investing in scrappy players who play excellent defense.

GloucesterChief · 10-24-2015, 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Pitt Gorilla

Perhaps, but the Dodgers are going to be in the playoffs every year because they can buy at least two front line starting pitchers for any particular year.

Sure, but eventually the dead wood drags you down. In Baseball drafting and scouting FOs are now king.

GloucesterChief · 10-24-2015, 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

The advantage teams used to have with elite hitters is gone. So yeah, you have teams that can buy their way into the playoffs but they look like the redskins. A dysfunctional mess and a ****ed up team culture. The Yankees made the playoffs, interestingly, by following more of the Royals model. Investing in scrappy players who play excellent defense.

That and the collapse of the Orioles this year.

chiefzilla1501 · 10-24-2015, 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Pitt Gorilla

The "new" market inefficiency is young players. In the post steroids era, older players aren't as valuable. KC may run into an issue here as we've traded away some youth at the deadline and have, somehow, been shut out of the competitive balance drafts.

I don't buy as much that steroids was as big of a factor. Billy beane was once again a bit of an innovator and realized you can gain advantage by stacking with defense. And now you have managers who are really crafty with their shifts. It's made it really hard now for power hitters to hit for average now that the infield is forcing them to hit more stuff opposite field.

The mlb can take that away tomorrow and you'd see a power surge. But for a baseball purist, it's not nearly as exciting as what we are watching now.

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