Chiefs NFL's Best OLB: Houston vs. Miller - Page 10

pugsnotdrugs19 · 02-13-2016, 11:13 AM

Got into a debate with a Donkey fan regarding this topic earlier this week, but I love it. I think it's one that can be argued both ways, but personally I take a healthy Houston every day over a healthy Miller. Place your vote and make your own case below.

Things to keep in mind:

Justin Houston career numbers:
- 64 starts
-56 sacks (2011: 5.5 in 10 starts, 2012: 10.0 in 16 starts, 2013: 11.0 in 11 starts, 2014: 22.0 in 16 starts, 2015: 7.5 in 10 games)
- 3 interceptions
- 25 passes defensed
- 8 forced fumbles/ 5 recoveries
- 1 touchdown (INT), 1 safety
- Hasn't been flagged for anything since the 2013 season

Von Miller career numbers:
- 72 starts
- 60 sacks (2011: 11.5 in 15 starts, 2012: 18.5 in 16 starts, 2013: 5.0 in 9 starts, 2014: 14.0 in 16 starts, 2015: 11.0 in 16 starts)
- 1 interception
- 10 passes defensed
- 17 forced fumbles/ 5 recoveries
- 1 touchdown (INT), 1 touchdown (fumble recovery), 0 safeties
- Consistently penalized, often for personal fouls

For me, considering the numbers..... I still take Houston. Statistically, I can argue he's been better in every phase of the game except for forcing fumbles. Miller does have the playoff success to attribute in his argument, but Houston of course didn't hardly play in this year's playoffs. Regardless, this a fun topic no matter the time of year. So, who do you take?

vailpass · 02-14-2016, 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman

You know that you are responding to a ****ing idiot, right?

Oh, thanks.

It's what I get for drinking at lunch time...

OctoberFart · 02-14-2016, 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefshrink

Miller is more athletic with a much quicker first step but not near as strong as Houston.

If Miller had Houston's character I would take Miller every time. This is the first year Miller has had a consistent motor every week which has been the knock on Miller since he has been in the league IMO.

LOL. What is Miller's "CHARACTER ISSUES"?

**DaneMcCloud** · 02-14-2016, 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefshrink

Easy schedule helps as well.

The Chiefs had an easy schedule in 2014?

Wut.

**Baby Lee** · 02-14-2016, 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19

You can't use one game as your argument for why Miller is the consistently better player.

If that's the case, the Brady vs. Manning argument would be over based on Tom's MVP's in the Super Bowl, as if Peyton's regular season awards were meaningless.

And?

Chiefshrink · 02-14-2016, 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by vailpass

Character? Miller's motor being questioned?

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Originally Posted by milkman

You know that you are responding to a ****ing idiot, right?

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Originally Posted by OctoberFart

LOL. What is Miller's "CHARACTER ISSUES"?

Thx for the substantive comeback.

Check out Miller's first 3yrs in the league both on and off the field. Go back and watch every game for those first 3 years. Then do a correlation analysis between weed use and consistent motor during those years. Then do another correlation analysis from his 4th yr to this year. Last year his 4th yr it all started to come together for him and this year was the complete pkg that should have been seen by year 2 IMO because he is DT incarnated when he is focused no doubt. Weed use vs non-use is all I'm sayin.

vailpass · 02-14-2016, 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefshrink

Thx for the substantive comeback.

Check out Miller's first 3yrs in the league both on and off the field. Go back and watch every game for those first 3 years. Then do a correlation analysis between weed use and consistent motor during those years. Then do another correlation analysis from his 4th yr to this year. Last year his 4th yr it all started to come together for him and this year was the complete pkg that should have been seen by year 2 IMO because he is DT incarnated when he is focused no doubt. Weed use vs non-use is all I'm sayin.

Quantify my need to be told anything about the Broncos by you. For the controlled variable use your attempt to insert meaningless research methods. Draw your conclusion based on the sample size of the number of times you've been told your and idiot.

Chiefshrink · 02-14-2016, 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by vailpass

Quantify my need to be told anything about the Broncos by you. For the controlled variable use your attempt to insert meaningless research methods. Draw your conclusion based on the sample size of the number of times you've been told your and idiot.

Did you miss all the weed drama and inconsistent motor his first 3yrs ? You live out here as well and I'm sure you saw every game. Why all the venom man ?

vailpass · 02-14-2016, 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefshrink

Did you miss all the weed drama and inconsistent motor his first 3yrs ? You live out here as well and I'm sure you saw every game. Why all the venom man ?

Bro if I'm throwing shade at you you'll know it

OctoberFart · 02-14-2016, 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefshrink

Weed use vs non-use is all I'm sayin.

Miller was a monster his second year in the league BTW. Coaching makes a big difference. Look what Wade Phillips has got out of his OLB in his career.

What made Houston drop in the draft BTW?

vailpass · 02-14-2016, 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by OctoberFart

Miller was a monster his second year in the league BTW. Coaching makes a big difference. Look what Wade Phillips has got out of his OLB in his career.

What made Houston drop in the draft BTW?

Yep.
90 percent of the nba smoke weed. Half the NFL if not more.

OctoberFart · 02-14-2016, 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefshrink

Did you miss all the weed drama and inconsistent motor his first 3yrs ? You live out here as well and I'm sure you saw every game. Why all the venom man ?

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=288184

If weed means character issues, there sure are a lot of bad characters on this forums.

pugsnotdrugs19 · 02-14-2016, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Baby Lee

And?

And that wouldn't be true. Manning vs. Brady can be debated upon forever.

**Shaid** · 02-14-2016, 04:35 PM

Pretty much the only reason a defensive player gets a SB MVP is when the offense is completely inept or that player makes a single play that's huge in the game. The Denver offense was inept and the sack/fumble was a big play in the game. He should have gotten the MVP. Guaranteed though that if Manning had a relatively decent game(threw a couple TDs, etc.), it would have gone to him. That's just the nature of the league and how they consistently award it.

A single game performance doesn't throw everything else out the window though.

lunkkunk · 02-14-2016, 04:49 PM

Is there a QB pressures stat?

OctoberFart · 02-14-2016, 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Shaid

A single game performance doesn't throw everything else out the window though.

Well what about the Donkey game vs New England?

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02-13-2016, 11:13 AM
pugsnotdrugs19 SUPER BOWL CHAMPIONS Join Date: Aug 2013 Casino cash: $6609447	NFL's Best OLB: Houston vs. Miller Got into a debate with a Donkey fan regarding this topic earlier this week, but I love it. I think it's one that can be argued both ways, but personally I take a healthy Houston every day over a healthy Miller. Place your vote and make your own case below. Things to keep in mind: Justin Houston career numbers: - 64 starts -56 sacks (2011: 5.5 in 10 starts, 2012: 10.0 in 16 starts, 2013: 11.0 in 11 starts, 2014: 22.0 in 16 starts, 2015: 7.5 in 10 games) - 3 interceptions - 25 passes defensed - 8 forced fumbles/ 5 recoveries - 1 touchdown (INT), 1 safety - Hasn't been flagged for anything since the 2013 season Von Miller career numbers: - 72 starts - 60 sacks (2011: 11.5 in 15 starts, 2012: 18.5 in 16 starts, 2013: 5.0 in 9 starts, 2014: 14.0 in 16 starts, 2015: 11.0 in 16 starts) - 1 interception - 10 passes defensed - 17 forced fumbles/ 5 recoveries - 1 touchdown (INT), 1 touchdown (fumble recovery), 0 safeties - Consistently penalized, often for personal fouls For me, considering the numbers..... I still take Houston. Statistically, I can argue he's been better in every phase of the game except for forcing fumbles. Miller does have the playoff success to attribute in his argument, but Houston of course didn't hardly play in this year's playoffs. Regardless, this a fun topic no matter the time of year. So, who do you take?
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Shaid Supporter Join Date: Nov 2006 Casino cash: $1555783	Pretty much the only reason a defensive player gets a SB MVP is when the offense is completely inept or that player makes a single play that's huge in the game. The Denver offense was inept and the sack/fumble was a big play in the game. He should have gotten the MVP. Guaranteed though that if Manning had a relatively decent game(threw a couple TDs, etc.), it would have gone to him. That's just the nature of the league and how they consistently award it. A single game performance doesn't throw everything else out the window though. __________________
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