Football Brits Don't Want the Redskins? - Page 3

**gblowfish** · 02-25-2016, 01:32 PM

Sorry if a Q, saw this story today, and found it interesting. I guess they were OK with the Chiefs, but not the Redskins:

http://thinkprogress.org/sports/2016...ment-redskins/

The Washington NFL team is scheduled to play in London this fall, and two members of the British Parliament aren’t happy about it.

“We were shocked to learn the derivation of the term ‘R*dskin,’ pertaining as it does to the historic abuse of Native Americans,” Ruth Smeeth and Ian Austin wrote in a letter to NFL commissioner Roger Goodell, a copy of which was obtained by ESPN. “The exportation of this racial slur to the UK this autumn, when the Washington team is due to play, directly contravenes the values that many in Britain have worked so hard to instill.”

The two members of the British Labor Party want the league to change the team’s name or, “at the minimum, send a different team to our country to represent the sport, one that does not promote a racial slur.”
This is not the way we would want Native Americans introduced to our country.

Native American tribes have been trying to get Washington to change its name for years, but recently the movement has been gaining steam: In 2014, the U.S. Patent Office canceled Washington’s trademark of the name because it is “disparaging” to Native Americans; last year, California recently became the first state to ban all schools from using “Redskins” as a team mascot or name; and just last week, a congressman from New York sent Goodell a letter calling for a change. Even President Barack Obama has urged Washington to “think about changing the name.”

But Dan Snyder, the owner of the team, has been adamant about keeping the name. “We’ll never change the name,” he said in 2013. “It’s that simple. NEVER — you can use caps.”

The league has stuck by Snyder, even financing the team’s legal battle to keep the trademark. “A team’s name is a club decision,” Brian McCarthy, the NFL’s vice president of communications, told ESPN.

While it seems unlikely that the British Parliament can make Goodell and Snyder do something that President Obama (let alone mere empathy) couldn’t, Smeeth and Austin might actually have the law on their side in England.

“No nation has stricter anti-racism laws in sports, due in part to disturbing incidents encountered by black soccer players over the years, including having banana peels and monkey chants hurled at them during matches,” Mike Weiss of ESPN reported. “Clubs at every level can be heavily fined or banished from their respective leagues for any violation.”

It’s also significant that Wembley Stadium, the site of the game in October, has its own anti-racism charter that bans “racial, homophobic or discriminatory abuse, chanting or harassment.” ESPN reports that people at Wembley are currently discussing the issue internally.

Also potentially problematic? The BBC — the NFL’s broadcasting partner in the United Kingdom — is publicly owned.

“Given it’s taxpayer-funded, if we believe it’s a racial slur, then that means problems for the BBC in terms of coverage of the event,” Smeeth said.

The NFL has played games in London annually since 2007, and has had three per season there since 2014. The league has been very open about its desire to open a NFL franchise in London — possibly as soon as 2022. Why? London is a huge market, and the NFL is not keen on leaving money on the table.

So for Goodell and Co., the most important part of Smeeth and Austin’s argument might just be: “This is not the image the NFL wants portrayed in the UK.”

“We’re quite clear that sport is a vehicle for cultural change and celebration of what’s best about society rather than hate and division,” Smeeth told ESPN. “That’s why bringing in new racial slurs to Britain is unacceptable. This is not the way we would want Native Americans introduced to our country.”

“It is heartening to see leading officials in Britain demonstrating their commitment to fighting for equality and opposing racism in U.S. sports, just as they have historically in the UK,” representatives of Change the Mascot, a campaign launched by the Oneida Indian Nation, said in a statement. “Perpetuating the slurring of people of color runs counter to American and British ideals of respect and tolerance.”

Toby Waller · 02-25-2016, 03:09 PM

I saw a German guy...in Germany playing Madden on twitch last week. Lol he happened to be using the Vikings.
I stuck around and chatted since my family history is German

**DaneMcCloud** · 02-25-2016, 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

Compensation for Glitter writing the song is still due to him, is it not?

Stadiums, bars, restaurants, concert venues, etc. and so on all pay a Yearly Blanket License fee that's determined by the size of the venue and approximate attendance.

Those fees are dumped into the Allocated Funds fee (which last year was over $900 million for ASCAP alone), then those funds are distributed based on complex algorithms that include a once a quarter survey, TV Cue Sheets, Radio Play, Top Charting songs, etc. and so on.

If a Gary Glitter or Rolling Stones or Metallica, et al, is played on the day of the Survey (which happens once a month), a royalty would be distributed but the amount for playing a song even five times during a 3 hour period for 8 games a year would be pennies on the dollar.

In other words, we're talking peanuts.

rabblerouser · 02-25-2016, 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Stadiums, bars, restaurants, concert venues, etc. and so on all pay a Yearly Blanket License fee that's determined by the size of the venue and approximate attendance.

Those fees are dumped into the Allocated Funds fee (which last year was over $900 million for ASCAP alone), then those funds are distributed based on complex algorithms that include a once a quarter survey, TV Cue Sheets, Radio Play, Top Charting songs, etc. and so on.

If a Gary Glitter or Rolling Stones or Metallica, et al, is played on the day of the Survey (which happens once a month), a royalty would be distributed but the amount for playing a song even five times during a 3 hour period for 8 games a year would be pennies on the dollar.

In other words, we're talking peanuts.

My publishing BMI was like $27 last qtr.

My writer's share??

$7 and some change

**DaneMcCloud** · 02-25-2016, 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by rabblerouser

If he still owns the publishing, sure.

This is untrue as well.

Gary Glitter never owned his publishing. His publishing is own by Universal Music Publishing (when he signed, it was MCA).

Glitter is entitled to 100% of his writer's share of performance and mechanicals but not publishing. IIRC, he didn't sign a Co-Publishing deal, which would have given him 50% of the Publishing revenues but a standard publishing deal, which is 50/50 or technically, 100/100.

rabblerouser · 02-25-2016, 03:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

This is untrue as well.

Gary Glitter never owned his publishing. His publishing is own by Universal Music Publishing (when he signed, it was MCA).

Glitter is entitled to 100% of his writer's share of performance and mechanicals but not publishing. IIRC, he didn't sign a Co-Publishing deal, which would have given him 50% of the Publishing revenues but a standard publishing deal, which is 50/50 or technically, 100/100.

There ya go.

**DaneMcCloud** · 02-25-2016, 03:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rabblerouser

My publishing BMI was like $27 last qtr.

My writer's share??

$7 and some change

That doesn't make sense, unless you're acting as the Publisher for songs that you didn't compose.

rabblerouser · 02-25-2016, 03:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

That doesn't make sense, unless you're acting as the Publisher for songs that you didn't compose.

I'm not the only songwriter in my band, that is correct.

I'm co-writer on roughly 60% of Driving Wheel's tunes and there's a project that a buddy and I co-wrote some tunes on and some that he is sole writer on that are ran through my publishing company.

**Donger** · 02-25-2016, 03:21 PM

Brits Don't Want the Redskins?

Yeah, and toothbrushes, too.

**ExtremeChief** · 02-25-2016, 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Donger

Brits Don't Want the Redskins?

Yeah, and toothbrushes, too.

And the Greeks don't want no Freaks

rabblerouser · 02-25-2016, 03:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ExtremeChief

And the Greeks don't want no Freaks

First time I heard that song, I thought the record had skipped coming out of 'Teenage Jail'.

And AC/DC 'Big Balls>Rocker" - my cousin recorded Who Made Who and Dirty Deeds for me on a TDK C-90 cassette, and I thought there was a tape glitch.

Ahhh...I loved listening to music when I was a kid. No point...just wanted to share.

**HemiEd** · 02-25-2016, 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Hydrae

I saw this on my phone this morning. Like the Brits have any dog in this fight. The PC thing has grown so large that foreign countries are worried about the names of our sports teams.

Yep, the irony of this is immeasurable.

**Iowanian** · 02-25-2016, 03:57 PM

Weren't the English the Red Coats?

They can go pound some fish and chips up their stove pipe

rabblerouser · 02-25-2016, 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Iowanian

Weren't the English the Red Coats?

They can go pound some fish and chips up their stove pipe

Bloody well right, those limey bastards can go flog a cod!!

Rasputin · 02-25-2016, 04:01 PM

"The London Hooker Rippers"

"The London Jack the Rippers"

"The London can't keep their bridges from falling down"

"The London Commodores"

**Donger** · 02-25-2016, 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by KC Tattoo

"The London Hooker Rippers"

"The London Jack the Rippers"

"The London can't keep their bridges from falling down"

"The London Commodores"

The London Tossers. Lots of passing...

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