Chiefs Andy Reid shuts down your Chiefs QB controversy talk - Page 16

oaklandhater · 10-31-2016, 02:30 PM

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by Joel Thorman Oct 31, 2016, 2:44p

You know Andy Reid was going to stand by Alex Smith and that’s what he did on Monday when facing the press. Reid has been doing this for a loooong time so he let reporters have their fun for a few minutes and then he shut down any talk of Nick Foles playing in front of a healthy Alex Smith. Will it work? I guess it depends on how well Foles plays this weekend ... if he plays this weekend since the Chiefs doctors contend Alex actually doesn’t have a concussion.

Check out this exchange between Reid and reporters this afternoon.

Q: You were asked whether you had to cut back the game plan when Foles came in and you said no. Did he allow you to expand the game plan, maybe do some things that you couldn’t do with Smith?

Reid: No. Alex, I’m not sure we realize how good he is. We’ve opened this thing up further than maybe we’ve ever opened it up. He does a tremendous job. It’s a shame he didn’t have a chance to finish off the game plan because he would’ve had a ton of success with it. Not to take anything away from Nick. We didn’t have to cut a thing out for Nick coming in. That was a win-win for both guys. To think one would’ve done better than the other, I don’t believe that. If Alex would’ve been in, we would’ve done the same thing.

Q: You guys his four passes of 30 yards down the field. That’s unusual for you guys. Was that because the way the game was going or because of who was at quarterback?

Reid: I think it was part of the plan. That was all in the game plan. They would’ve been called. They were right on the first 15. They were coming up so whether it was Alex in there or Nick they were coming up. A couple of them formation wise, there was a little confusion on the formation and guys popped open.

Q: Does Foles give you more capability in that area?

Reid: No, I’m not even sure I like the way you’re going with this. Alex can do all the things that need to be done in this offense and do them at a Pro Bowl-caliber level.

Q: Is he your quarterback when he’s healthy then?

/death stare

**Mav** · 11-01-2016, 07:20 PM

I really want the Chiefs to start Foles. I really really do.

**Dartgod** · 11-01-2016, 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Pawnmower

except for the 12 years of tape and stats of alex smith and the 5 years of tape and stats of foles....

is it concrete evidence? no. Is everyone saying to start Foles now? no.

People are saying his ceiling is higher and his floor is lower..and that the safest best bet this season is to roll with ALex...

What would you like as 'proof' ? Math? A thesis?

What stats are those? Outside of his 2013 year, they are pretty dismal.

Sweet Daddy Hate · 11-01-2016, 07:34 PM

He should have shut down Taco Bell, ordered 178 tacos, and ate himself in to a coma.

Would have been more productive.

Psyko Tek · 11-01-2016, 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by oaklandhater

If foles lights it up vs jax and we still put smith back in we absolutely deserve to have a offensive meltdown the likes of the steelers game again

I remember Elvis, he was sexy

Sweet Daddy Hate · 11-01-2016, 07:55 PM

Nick Foles:

Alex Smith:

underEJ · 11-01-2016, 08:00 PM

I don't think just because some of us aren't jumping immediately on the Foles bandwagon that it means we are afraid. It just isn't as obvious as past QB situations have been here. I was 100% for Gannon starting over Grbac. I was 100% for starting anyone over Matt Cassel. But sitting here at 5-2, with a developing team situation where the defense has great stretches, but is clearly missing core features, and has stretches that make me cry, having an offense that protects the ball is a very good thing. Did I like Foles? Yes. Will I be happy to see him if Smith isn't healthy? Yes, what a luxury. Am I ready to cast Smith out? No. I may change my tune if I get to see Foles more and his risks are demonstrated to be less than anticipated, but I'm not going to be upset either if Smith starts this week and we keep on the current course. That's not being afraid. That is being really happy we have two nice QBs, neither one of whom are likely ever going to be a top 10 talent, so I'm not going to drool over either one of them.

stevieray · 11-01-2016, 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by underEJ

I don't think just because some of us aren't jumping immediately on the Foles bandwagon that it means we are afraid. It just isn't as obvious as past QB situations have been here. I was 100% for Gannon starting over Grbac. I was 100% for starting anyone over Matt Cassel. But sitting here at 5-2, with a developing team situation where the defense has great stretches, but is clearly missing core features, and has stretches that make me cry, having an offense that protects the ball is a very good thing. Did I like Foles? Yes. Will I be happy to see him if Smith isn't healthy? Yes, what a luxury. Am I ready to cast Smith out? No. I may change my tune if I get to see Foles more and his risks are demonstrated to be less than anticipated, but I'm not going to be upset either if Smith starts this week and we keep on the current course. That's not being afraid. That is being really happy we have two nice QBs, neither one of whom are likely ever going to be a top 10 talent, so I'm not going to drool over either one of them.

spot on

stevieray · 11-01-2016, 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Dagnabit

Nick Foles:

IIRC, isn't that guy dead?

**Ming the Merciless** · 11-01-2016, 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Dartgod

What stats are those? Outside of his 2013 year, they are pretty dismal.

Thats not what I found....look at the numbers..and thats with a god awful 2012 PHI team AND the horrid 2015

. These are career stats. If foles is "god awful" pray tell, what is smith?

You mean these stats?

Comp %

60.5 vs 61.3

TD %

4.4 vs 3.9

INT%

2.2% vs 2.2%

YPC

11.9 vs 11.0

YPA

7.2 vs 6.7

YPG

225 vs 195

QBR

88 vs 85

Sack %

5.5 vs 8.1

**Dartgod** · 11-01-2016, 08:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by underEJ

I don't think just because some of us aren't jumping immediately on the Foles bandwagon that it means we are afraid. It just isn't as obvious as past QB situations have been here. I was 100% for Gannon starting over Grbac. I was 100% for starting anyone over Matt Cassel. But sitting here at 5-2, with a developing team situation where the defense has great stretches, but is clearly missing core features, and has stretches that make me cry, having an offense that protects the ball is a very good thing. Did I like Foles? Yes. Will I be happy to see him if Smith isn't healthy? Yes, what a luxury. Am I ready to cast Smith out? No. I may change my tune if I get to see Foles more and his risks are demonstrated to be less than anticipated, but I'm not going to be upset either if Smith starts this week and we keep on the current course. That's not being afraid. That is being really happy we have two nice QBs, neither one of whom are likely ever going to be a top 10 talent, so I'm not going to drool over either one of them.

BUT TEH DEEEEP THROWS!!!

**Ming the Merciless** · 11-01-2016, 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Dartgod

BUT TEH DEEEEP THROWS!!!

Better yards per game, yards per attempt, sacks per drop back, touchdown %, quarterback rating, yards per completion

all while maintaining a similar completion % and int % rate

**Dartgod** · 11-01-2016, 08:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pawnmower

Thats not what I found....look at the numbers..and thats with a god awful 2012 PHI team AND the horrid 2015

. These are career stats. If foles is "god awful" pray tell, what is smith?

Sooo, not a real huge difference between the two. Dismal may have been too strong of a description. And I never said "god awful"

**Bob Dole** · 11-01-2016, 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by oaklandhater

Alex been godawful this season you can't blame people for wanting a qb who can bomb it deep

As long as those people are primarily concerned with Fantasy points and not W-L record.

All 8 of you.

**Ming the Merciless** · 11-01-2016, 08:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dartgod

Sooo, not a real huge difference between the two. Dismal may have been too strong of a description. And I never said "god awful"

oh sorry , you said "dismal"

and yes theres a difference in most of the stats, with foles having better stats with very little downside...

so again, if Foles has been 'dismal' how would you describe SMith after comparing them side by side and asking "what stats?" and been showed the stats...

**DaneMcCloud** · 11-01-2016, 08:37 PM

There isn't even ONE person who's judgment I'd trust before Andy Reid.

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underEJ Veteran Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Los Angeles Casino cash: $6183141	I don't think just because some of us aren't jumping immediately on the Foles bandwagon that it means we are afraid. It just isn't as obvious as past QB situations have been here. I was 100% for Gannon starting over Grbac. I was 100% for starting anyone over Matt Cassel. But sitting here at 5-2, with a developing team situation where the defense has great stretches, but is clearly missing core features, and has stretches that make me cry, having an offense that protects the ball is a very good thing. Did I like Foles? Yes. Will I be happy to see him if Smith isn't healthy? Yes, what a luxury. Am I ready to cast Smith out? No. I may change my tune if I get to see Foles more and his risks are demonstrated to be less than anticipated, but I'm not going to be upset either if Smith starts this week and we keep on the current course. That's not being afraid. That is being really happy we have two nice QBs, neither one of whom are likely ever going to be a top 10 talent, so I'm not going to drool over either one of them.
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