The hold that took away our 2 point conversion

[TribalElder]

Happens to Tamba Hali and never gets called

[notorious]

San Fran got ****ed a million times against Seattle and nothing came of it. This is how it's going to be.

[Opoponax]

Originally Posted by BlackOp

The real issue is profit sharing...there is less incentive for small market teams...or small cities without "star power" to do well. It costs every owner money if Detroit or KC does well in the play-offs.

Cleveland gets the same amount at Dallas...Owners arent going to fire themselves for a poor product. They are making $220+ million just in advertising/TV a year even if they go 1-15.

They are paying Goodell over $100,000 a day...and it sure as shit isn't for putting a fair product on the field...it about finding new avenues to extract profit. If that means only star-named, marketable QB's go the the SB...so be it. Everyone enjoy all the extras commercials this year? NFL knows it made the viewing experience suck...but they didn't care. Small no-name teams in the SB wont build their "brand" internationally.

Goodell vowed to increase profit by 150% over the next 10 years...to 25 billion annually. KC/Detroit SB wont get them there...this is more McDonalds that sport. It's about having the most consumers possible...quality is secondary.

If that conspiracy had any truth to it, then wouldn't the refs have helped Dallas win last Sunday?

There is no greater NFL media darling than Dallas, yet the refs threw a drive stalling flag on them that may have been the difference in that game.

Look who's in the final four:

Brady
Roethlisberger
Rogers
Ryan

Those are arguably the best four quarterbacks in the league. The real bummer about the NFL isn't inconsistent refereeing, it's the fact that without a great quarterback, or a quarterback having a great year, it's almost hopeless.

There are occasional exceptions like last year's Donks, but just like the 2000 Ravens, teams that win Super Bowls almost solely on the strength of their defense are one-year wonders because players get injured or poached.

The fact is this: few teams without a great quarterback are going to amount to anything in any given season. Some day someone will come up with a way to play offense in the NFL without a great QB, but not this year.

[BossChief]

Originally Posted by GloryDayz

Defend these no-calls then! Go ahead, hit us with the league's standard "we didn't see THOOOOSE", "They were away from the play", "There's a hold on every play." Which is it? THOSE are holding and DPI all day long. NOT called!

Enjoy your next SB win, I'm sure it's just thee weeks away.

On the 2 point play, BOTH OLBs for Pittsburgh went to the ground. The other OLB was barely touched.

They flopped to try to increase their chances of getting the call and it worked.

The refs helped...of course.

[Amnorix]

Originally Posted by GloryDayz

Not if you're ****-face Cheffers! Not that he or his crew missed that prticular call, but I'm sure Cheffers and other ****-face retired WWE/NFL refs would defend it as a good non-call (because it's the Chiefs!!!!). Somehow they would explain it away.

Who am I fooling, nobody's every going to question these ****ing idiot hacks unless it's on of the NFL's favored teams.

Originally Posted by GloryDayz

Defend these no-calls then! Go ahead, hit us with the league's standard "we didn't see THOOOOSE", "They were away from the play", "There's a hold on every play." Which is it? THOSE are holding and DPI all day long. NOT called!

Enjoy your next SB win, I'm sure it's just thee weeks away.

Impressive list. You sure you couldn't come up with one for Pittsburgh too, if you tried?


So I find it really hard to believe in any kind of grand conspiracy theory when it comes to the NFL, or any of the other professional leagues. Is it possible a ref here or there is owned by the mob or whatever? Sure. Could a player be involved in point shaving in some pro sport? Sure. But NFL HQ pulling strings so certain teams advance and certain ones don't? Can't buy it. Why?

1. You'd have to believe that the NFL is willing to risk EVERYTHING to do it, because if a handful of refs get together and decide to write a tell all book, either to make a zillion dollars or just because they're pissed for some reason, the league is done. DONE. If the masses think the NFL or any other pro league is the WWE, as you say, then the league will lose billions.

Why take that chance? To get ratings slightly higher? The risk/reward profile isn't there.

2. If what you say is true, then why the F has Dallas not even BEEN to a Super Bowl in 20 years?

3. If what you say is true, then even the owners, who the NFL technically works for, are certainly in the dark. Unless you think guys like Ralph Wilson would be fine with never winning a Super Bowl. In that case, the NFL, whose salaries, etc. are paid for by the owners, are betraying the very people they work for. That seems beyond far-fetched.

4. When it comes to refs "****ing the Chiefs over", you probably know but I'll say it anyway -- EVERY team feels EXACTLY the same about the refs. You think Pats fans don't complain about them? They do, EVERY ****ing time the Pats lose. Becuase the Pats don't win so damn much there is less complaining, but when they lose, look out.

Meh, if you really believe, then stop watching. It's all I can say. Believe what you want.

[Fish]

Originally Posted by Amnorix

3. If what you say is true, then even the owners, who the NFL technically works for, are certainly in the dark. Unless you think guys like Ralph Wilson would be fine with never winning a Super Bowl. In that case, the NFL, whose salaries, etc. are paid for by the owners, are betraying the very people they work for. That seems beyond far-fetched.

Yeah, I'm sure fellas like Ralph Wilson and Jimmy Haslam are all "Sure, you guys go ahead and rig the system for those specific teams, and we'll just hang out in the dumpster out back. It's cool."

It's like the conspiracy nuts don't even consider the feasibility of it at all.

[Amnorix]

Originally Posted by Fish

Yeah, I'm sure fellas like Ralph Wilson and Jimmy Haslam are all "Sure, you guys go ahead and rig the system for those specific teams, and we'll just hang out in the dumpster out back. It's cool."

It's like the conspiracy nuts don't even consider the feasibility of it at all.

And this is exactly the problem with most conspiracy nuts. You can always paint an ugly picture with a few isolated details of some damn thing happening, but to get a true conspiracy of this magnitude is basically impossible.

If you want to argue that Ref X is crooked, then sure. One guy can go bad. A VERY small group of guys can go bad. But for the entire NFL to fix games is ridiculous.

Hell, the NFL locked out the refs in 2012. If the Refs were getting paid off or whatever to fix games, then the refs ****ing OWN the NFL. "Pay or we'll blow the ****ing lid off" is what they'd say. Instead they got locked out while replacement refs came in, blah, blah, blah.

[TribalElder]

How did erasing 2 points effect the point spread of the betting world

I don't recall if Pitt was a 1 point favorite or what

[Amnorix]

Here's a good one -- Chicago is the THIRD largest market in teh country. NY, LA then Chicago.

And the Bears have done shit-all for 30 years. One SB appearance in all that time, and mostly just suckitude.

Philadelphia is the 5th largest market in the country, and the Eagles have done shit-all like EVER. Went to two SBs in teh SB era that I can think of off the top of my head and lost both.

Oakland has a huge fan following which is regionally much larger than just the city of Oakland, but has done jack-all for like 30 years. The Raiders did make it to one Super Bowl -- 2002 -- which was barely a year after the NFL won a lawsuit against the Raiders. If the NFL was fixed, you can bet Al Davis's team would never have seen any Super Bowls.

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by cdcox

When Hali was in his prime that could happen three plays in one drive. I think the NFL decided that they would quit calling holding on plays like that because then Hali would be unblockable. For them to take point off the board on the exact kind of play that had been ignored for years was egregious to Chiefs fans.

Remember the holding call on the game tying FG against Denver in 1997? The replay showed no hold at all.

2 playoff games lost when the tying points were removed by a hold. 1 non existent and 1 highly questionable as Harrison slipped helping create the visual.

Bizzare.

[Baby Lee]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

Remember the holding call on the game tying FG against Denver in 1997? The replay showed no hold at all.

2 playoff games lost when the tying points were removed by a hold. 1 non existent and 1 highly questionable as Harrison slipped helping create the visual.

Bizzare.

3, Szott holding when Okoye rumbled well within FG range against Miami.

[KINGPIN CHIEFS FAN]

The NFL is going the way of NASCAR. Their only motivation is money and they refuse to see what their greed is doing to their product. Attendance and TV ratings are dropping every year as the fans are realizing that it's just entertainment more than an actual sport. They think that making it an International sport is the answer to their low ratings in the U.S. They are so out of touch with the average fan. They deserve to be replaced and go the way of the dinosaur. Just another example of corporate greed destroying a good product.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Jesus **** Asterix is a piece of shit

[Pasta Little Brioni]

A clueless coward chode whose self worth is tied to a team that needs to blatantly cheat to win

[ptlyon]

That is true about Nascar kingpin. I can hardly watch it anymore, but do always have a Daytona party. The chase has ruined it.

[Fish]

Originally Posted by Pasta Giant Meatball

Jesus **** Asterix is a piece of shit

Why? Because his explanation doesn't align with your confirmation bias? Nothing he said was incorrect.