Mock (9/19) - Page 4

Direckshun · 11:20 PM

Assumptions:

1. The Chiefs finish 12-4, win the AFC West, and secure the 1st overall seed. They host the Raiders and manage to fend them off for a trip to the AFCCG, where they defeat the Pittsburgh Steelers. They lose the Super Bowl to the Seahawks. HC Andy Reid and GM Brett Veach stay on, and QB Alex Smith is retained.

2. OLB Tamba Hali retires.

3. The Chiefs extend QB Alex Smith 3 years, $55m ($20m guaranteed), DE Allen Bailey 4 years, $30m ($15m guaranteed), ILB Derrick Johnson 3 years, $15m ($7m guaranteed), and CB Terrance Mitchell 3 years, $18m ($7m guaranteed). These extensions allow the Chiefs to back-end much of the cap hits, and frees up roughly $20m in cap space.

4. The Chiefs sign K Cairo Santos for 4 years, $11m ($4m guaranteed).

5. The Chiefs tender NT Rakeem Nunez-Roches, ILB Ramik Wilson.

6. The Chiefs sign QB Tyler Bray, RB Akeem Hunt, FB Anthony Sherman, OL Jordan Devey, NT Roy Miller, DE Jarvis Jenkins, ILB Kevin Pierre-Louis to minimal deals.

7. The Chiefs let walk WR Albert Wilson, WR De'Anthony Thomas, OL Zach Fulton, NT Benny Logan, ILB Terrance Smith, CB Phillip Gaines, CB Kenneth Acker, P Dustin Colquitt.

8. The Chiefs sign DE Kyle Williams (Bills) for 2 years, $10m ($2m guaranteed).

9. The Chiefs are picking 31st, and have one compensatory pick (a 6th) for QB Nick Foles. They have three conditionals: a 6th for OT Isaiah Battle, a 7th for DE David King, and a 7th for CB Marcus Cooper.

The draft:

2. WR Deon Cain, Clemson
The Chiefs trade their 2nd, one of their 6ths, and a 2019 5th to move up to the middle of the 2nd round.

Yeah, we all know Veach is going to deal as many of those late rounders as possible. The team doesn't have that many roster spots open, and one of the things they are going to need is more talent downfield for Smith/Mahomes in the coming years. Cain is a perfect match for both QBs: he has a very fast first step that will endear him to Smith's brand of getting open quickly, and a ridiculous catching radius that will endear him to the creative playmaking of Patrick Mahomes.

The Chiefs let Albert Wilson walk this offseason, and Cain can compete with Chesson and Robinson for the 3rd WR reps.

3. CB Brandon Facyson, Virginia Tech

What did Veach/Dorsey do? They reached out for players with elite measurables over and over again and depend on Reid's outstanding coaching staff to develop them. You can't do much better than a 6'1" CB with outstanding speed. Facyson has some problems with his game, but the Chiefs desperately need a 4th CB who can start on the outside in a pinch. Phillip Gaines was their last attempt at a 3rd rounder to fill this role; Facyson is the next.

4. CB Duke Dawson, Florida

The Chiefs also desperately need more talent at nickel, as Steven Nelson has proven adept but insurance is always necessary. Dawson is an eye opening player at times, with some huge hits and tons of flexibility all over the backfield. I really enjoy watching this kid.

More importantly, with the addition of Facyson and Dawson, the Chiefs have potentially the deepest secondary in the NFL: Peters, Mitchell, Nelson, Facyson, and Dawson are all under contract for 2018 and 2019 at LEAST.

5. DE Darian Roseboro, North Carolina State
The Chiefs trade one of their 6ths and both of their 7ths to move into the 5th round.

Roseboro fits the Nunez-Roches profile: incredible athlete with great motor, as NC State prospects usually are. What's needed here in some elite level coaching, which Britt Reid provides.

6 (Nick Foles). P Johnny Townsend, Florida

With Colquitt on the outs, it's time for the Chiefs to make a move here with with one 6th they didn't package into a trade.

roster:

QB: Smith, Mahomes, Bray
RB: Hunt, Ware, West, Hunt
FB: Sherman

WR: Hill, Conley, Cain, Robinson, Chesson
TE: Kelce, Harris, Travis

LT: Fisher, Erving
LG: Ehinger, Witzmann
C: Morse, Devey
RG: Duvarney-Tardif, Witzmann
RT: Schwartz, Erving

DE: Jones, Jenkins, Roseboro
NT: Nunez-Roches, Miller
DE: Bailey, Williams

OLB: Ford, Kpassagnon
ILB: Ragland, Wilson
ILB: Johnson, Eligwe, Pierre-Louis
OLB: Houston, Zombo

CB: Peters, Mitchell, Nelson, Facyson, Dawson
S: Berry, Parker, Sorensen, Murray, McQuay

K: Santos
P: Townsend
LS: Winchester

mnchiefsguy · 09-23-2017, 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun

I probably start shopping him the first year he doesn't take us to the Super Bowl. There's some wiggle room on that declaration but overall I'm dead serious.

I'm keeping him so long as he's taking us to Super Bowls.

If he can't win the Super Bowl, no point in keeping him. Just getting there is not enough given the price you are paying.

If the price for winning the Super Bowl is Alex finishing his contract, then that is a price I am willing to pay. It is not a price I am willing to pay if he is gonna show up in the Super Bowl, play Alex football and lose.

Through 2 weeks of this season, we have one Alex Super Star game, and one Alex Game Manager mediocre game.....not enough evidence yet to support that we are going to get Alex Super Star on a consistent basis.

Discuss Thrower · 09-23-2017, 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by LoneWolf

You are the biggest negative dipshit on this forum by a wide, wide margin.

Your next take on this forum that isn't blatant homerism will be your first.

BryanBusby · 09-24-2017, 05:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Direckshun

I probably start shopping him the first year he doesn't take us to the Super Bowl. There's some wiggle room on that declaration but overall I'm dead serious.

I'm keeping him so long as he's taking us to Super Bowls.

Shop him for what at that point? A bag of balls and a used condom?

Direckshun · 09-25-2017, 06:37 AM

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Originally Posted by BryanBusby

Shop him for what at that point? A bag of balls and a used condom?

We've seen 38 year old QBs that suck get paid in the NFL in the last 12 months alone.

Someone will pay for Alex Smith.

BryanBusby · 09-25-2017, 06:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun

We've seen 38 year old QBs that suck get paid in the NFL in the last 12 months alone.

Someone will pay for Alex Smith.

They aren't trading for a QB in his later 30's.

Direckshun · 09-25-2017, 07:17 AM

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Originally Posted by BryanBusby

They aren't trading for a QB in his later 30's.

So say some.

BryanBusby · 09-25-2017, 07:30 AM

Name some traded QB's that were 35+ and not a slam dunk future HoFer. When you name those guys, list the return haul.

Direckshun · 09-25-2017, 07:47 AM

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Originally Posted by BryanBusby

Name some traded QB's that were 35+ and not a slam dunk future HoFer. When you name those guys, list the return haul.

The problem is that it's an art, not a science. You're dealing with human talents and they are not always easily categorized.

It's not common, but it's not unheardof for a team that feels like they can win a Super Bowl now to make some aggressive moves in order to win.

mnchiefsguy · 09-25-2017, 08:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun

We've seen 38 year old QBs that suck get paid in the NFL in the last 12 months alone.

Someone will pay for Alex Smith.

I think yesterday's performance can put all of the extension and keeping Alex on the roster talk to bed.

Time to go back to the mock drawing board. Alex is not on this team next year.

BryanBusby · 09-25-2017, 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun

The problem is that it's an art, not a science. You're dealing with human talents and they are not always easily categorized.

It's not common, but it's not unheardof for a team that feels like they can win a Super Bowl now to make some aggressive moves in order to win.

I have no ****ing idea what you're talking about.

Teams are reluctant to trade for old QB's that can bottom out on the physical ability at any time. There's a major difference between 34 years old and 36.

Direckshun · 09-25-2017, 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by BryanBusby

I have no ****ing idea what you're talking about.

Teams are reluctant to trade for old QB's that can bottom out on the physical ability at any time. There's a major difference between 34 years old and 36.

That's fair.

RunKC · 09-25-2017, 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by RealSNR

And meanwhile, you extended Alex. When does he ****ing leave? The year before we have to decide on Mahomes' option? When HE'S going to need a new contract? And he's going to want starter's money for having played jack ****ing shit games?

Don't Brock Osweiler our QB, please. You do that shit to 4th round QBs. You DON'T do that to QBs who cost you an extra 1st and 3rd to acquire.

The sooner Alex gets his ass out of here the ****ing better. Ravens did it to Dilfer. Bucs did it to Brad Johnson. We need to do the same to Alex should we be as fortunate as them to win the big one.

You guys are too paranoid. Alex isn't being extended and the only reason Mahomes isn't playing right now is because he's a rookie. I mean come on now. Andy himself wanted Mahomes.

Andy knows that Alex can't get it done. he wouldn't have drafted Mahomes if he didn't think that.

But honestly, if we win the SB with Alex this year, they can start the Mahomes era in 2019 for all I care. As long as we win the damn thing.

BryanBusby · 09-25-2017, 12:51 PM

I think 2017 being it for Alex is as close of a slamdunk as there is, so I don't see paranoia.

It's just bizarre that there's an actual hivemind of not only keeping Captain Average, but giving him an extension. Seriously lol'n

Only Chiefs fans would die on a hill of total mediocrity

Direckshun · 09-26-2017, 07:58 AM

Are you kidding me, Bryan? Are you seriously kidding me?

You've been a member of ChiefsPlanet for 11 years, and you're accusing me of being an Alex Smith homer?

You've been on this board for 11 years. You know better.

BryanBusby · 09-26-2017, 08:19 AM

You're carrying his water, so.....

09-19-2017, 10:37 PM
Direckshun __ Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Springpatch Casino cash: $2083447	Mock (9/19) Assumptions: 1. The Chiefs finish 12-4, win the AFC West, and secure the 1st overall seed. They host the Raiders and manage to fend them off for a trip to the AFCCG, where they defeat the Pittsburgh Steelers. They lose the Super Bowl to the Seahawks. HC Andy Reid and GM Brett Veach stay on, and QB Alex Smith is retained. 2. OLB Tamba Hali retires. 3. The Chiefs extend QB Alex Smith 3 years, $55m ($20m guaranteed), DE Allen Bailey 4 years, $30m ($15m guaranteed), ILB Derrick Johnson 3 years, $15m ($7m guaranteed), and CB Terrance Mitchell 3 years, $18m ($7m guaranteed). These extensions allow the Chiefs to back-end much of the cap hits, and frees up roughly $20m in cap space. 4. The Chiefs sign K Cairo Santos for 4 years, $11m ($4m guaranteed). 5. The Chiefs tender NT Rakeem Nunez-Roches, ILB Ramik Wilson. 6. The Chiefs sign QB Tyler Bray, RB Akeem Hunt, FB Anthony Sherman, OL Jordan Devey, NT Roy Miller, DE Jarvis Jenkins, ILB Kevin Pierre-Louis to minimal deals. 7. The Chiefs let walk WR Albert Wilson, WR De'Anthony Thomas, OL Zach Fulton, NT Benny Logan, ILB Terrance Smith, CB Phillip Gaines, CB Kenneth Acker, P Dustin Colquitt. 8. The Chiefs sign DE Kyle Williams (Bills) for 2 years, $10m ($2m guaranteed). 9. The Chiefs are picking 31st, and have one compensatory pick (a 6th) for QB Nick Foles. They have three conditionals: a 6th for OT Isaiah Battle, a 7th for DE David King, and a 7th for CB Marcus Cooper. The draft: 2. WR Deon Cain, Clemson The Chiefs trade their 2nd, one of their 6ths, and a 2019 5th to move up to the middle of the 2nd round. Yeah, we all know Veach is going to deal as many of those late rounders as possible. The team doesn't have that many roster spots open, and one of the things they are going to need is more talent downfield for Smith/Mahomes in the coming years. Cain is a perfect match for both QBs: he has a very fast first step that will endear him to Smith's brand of getting open quickly, and a ridiculous catching radius that will endear him to the creative playmaking of Patrick Mahomes. The Chiefs let Albert Wilson walk this offseason, and Cain can compete with Chesson and Robinson for the 3rd WR reps. 3. CB Brandon Facyson, Virginia Tech What did Veach/Dorsey do? They reached out for players with elite measurables over and over again and depend on Reid's outstanding coaching staff to develop them. You can't do much better than a 6'1" CB with outstanding speed. Facyson has some problems with his game, but the Chiefs desperately need a 4th CB who can start on the outside in a pinch. Phillip Gaines was their last attempt at a 3rd rounder to fill this role; Facyson is the next. 4. CB Duke Dawson, Florida The Chiefs also desperately need more talent at nickel, as Steven Nelson has proven adept but insurance is always necessary. Dawson is an eye opening player at times, with some huge hits and tons of flexibility all over the backfield. I really enjoy watching this kid. More importantly, with the addition of Facyson and Dawson, the Chiefs have potentially the deepest secondary in the NFL: Peters, Mitchell, Nelson, Facyson, and Dawson are all under contract for 2018 and 2019 at LEAST. 5. DE Darian Roseboro, North Carolina State The Chiefs trade one of their 6ths and both of their 7ths to move into the 5th round. Roseboro fits the Nunez-Roches profile: incredible athlete with great motor, as NC State prospects usually are. What's needed here in some elite level coaching, which Britt Reid provides. 6 (Nick Foles). P Johnny Townsend, Florida With Colquitt on the outs, it's time for the Chiefs to make a move here with with one 6th they didn't package into a trade. roster: QB: Smith, Mahomes, Bray RB: Hunt, Ware, West, Hunt FB: Sherman WR: Hill, Conley, Cain, Robinson, Chesson TE: Kelce, Harris, Travis LT: Fisher, Erving LG: Ehinger, Witzmann C: Morse, Devey RG: Duvarney-Tardif, Witzmann RT: Schwartz, Erving DE: Jones, Jenkins, Roseboro NT: Nunez-Roches, Miller DE: Bailey, Williams OLB: Ford, Kpassagnon ILB: Ragland, Wilson ILB: Johnson, Eligwe, Pierre-Louis OLB: Houston, Zombo CB: Peters, Mitchell, Nelson, Facyson, Dawson S: Berry, Parker, Sorensen, Murray, McQuay K: Santos P: Townsend LS: Winchester Last edited by Direckshun; 09-19-2017 at 11:20 PM..
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BryanBusby In Search of a Life Join Date: Mar 2006 Casino cash: $3169900 VARSITY	I think 2017 being it for Alex is as close of a slamdunk as there is, so I don't see paranoia. It's just bizarre that there's an actual hivemind of not only keeping Captain Average, but giving him an extension. Seriously lol'n Only Chiefs fans would die on a hill of total mediocrity
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