Chiefs Let's take a CLOSER look at the defense - Page 5

UChieffyBugger · 08-27-2018, 04:28 PM

So many are in panic mode, so many are searching for someone to talk them off of the ledge, so I figured we might as well take a closer look at our potential starting defense come opening day.

Secondary

Nelson (CB)
Fuller (CB)
Berry (S)
Murray (S)

Front seven

Ragland (ILB)
Hitchens (ILB)
Houston (OLB)
Ford/Kpass (OLB)
Bailey (DE)
Jones (DE)
Williams (DT)

Now, there is still time for acquisitions but as we stand right now that is the defense. Is it THAT bad yall? We're all going nuts about it and even Nick Wright was saying "it's the worse defense in the NFL", but hold on, this defense hasn't even played together yet so how can anyone come to that conclusion?

IF we're judging the defense solely on what we've seen in preseason then I think we're being naive. Fuller is a stud, Berry is proven when healthy, Ragland impressed last season, Hitchens is a workhorse, Jones is a rising star and Houston is one of the best in the game.

We have plenty of talent on this defense. We just have to see them all on the field at the same damn time and then pray that they stay healthy. Because man for man I don't think those eleven players are bad at all.

O.city · 08-28-2018, 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Marcellus

I don't think that's the case as usually the offensive personnel will dictate that, but maybe you are correct.

Seems a lot more likely they're gonna suck for whatever reason. Maybe coaching, maybe talent, maybe both.

**The Franchise** · 08-28-2018, 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by O.city

They'll cut Amerson.

I honestly could see that. If he had shown flashes....then I think they would look at keeping him because they could claim that he's just getting used to the defense. But dude has flat out sucked every play he's been on the field. Veach is going to want to show that he's not afraid to own up to his mistakes and get rid of players that aren't working out. I think that's why they signed Scandrick.

O.city · 08-28-2018, 09:54 AM

Yeah, look at the numbers they usually keep.

They aren't cutting Fuller, Nelson, or Scandrick. Smith has played the most special teams snaps and is a returner so they'll keep him.

That's 4. They seem high on Springs so that would be 5. I think they normally are at 6 so he may make it.

O.city · 08-28-2018, 09:56 AM

Maybe Reaser?

**The Franchise** · 08-28-2018, 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by O.city

Maybe Reaser?

Redmond?

O.city · 08-28-2018, 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by The Pest

Redmond?

Possibly. It's very possible I mixed up the 2. Likely even.

RaidersOftheCellar · 08-28-2018, 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Pasta Giant Meatball

at freaking out over preseason. It's stupid.

I'll admit I'm concerned that they won't be as strong as I thought (on either side of the ball), but I don't understand how anyone can be so sure they're terrible. More than half the D either hasn't played or hasn't been game-ready yet. Others have played limited snaps. I mean, we can safely conclude that David Amerson is exploitable and safety depth isn't a strength. Not sure we can conclude anything past that.

Reid and the front office seemed very confident, even cocky, before training camp. They certainly didn't give the impression that they're working with a 6-10 type roster.

O.city · 08-28-2018, 02:05 PM

The d hasn't played together or isn't game ready, yet we are to expect that to just what.....happen?

This is why practice and the preseason are important.

ToxSocks · 08-28-2018, 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by The Pest

I honestly could see that. If he had shown flashes....then I think they would look at keeping him because they could claim that he's just getting used to the defense. But dude has flat out sucked every play he's been on the field. Veach is going to want to show that he's not afraid to own up to his mistakes and get rid of players that aren't working out. I think that's why they signed Scandrick.

The only way i see Amerson sticking is if he's some press coverage savant in practice, and they plan on playing a shit ton of press like they said they were.

So far in preseason i can't recall seeing any "bump n run" coverage from the Chiefs.

And you remember the pre-Dorsey years? Everyone hated the fact that neither Peterson or Pioli would own up to their overpaid mistakes.

Dorsey was a breath of fresh air who had no problem cutting his F/A mistakes.

Well...that resulted in a shit ton of dead cap money and him getting fired. Then, the fans completely flipped on him after being a "balla ass GM" just months before.

So it'll be interesting to see how Veach goes about this.

It's not like Amerson is an expensive cut though, unlike say, Maclin.

Mecca · 08-28-2018, 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city

The d hasn't played together or isn't game ready, yet we are to expect that to just what.....happen?

This is why practice and the preseason are important.

They probably won't play together, Houston and Berry have had a possible 80 games together here, they've suited up together 34 times.

kccrow · 08-28-2018, 02:15 PM

I think the front 7 is much better than it was last season, but I'm incredibly concerned about the secondary. Fuller hasn't spent much time playing on the outside in the league, so he's got a task ahead of him. Nelson has traditionally been shitty matching up on the outside, but solid yet unspectacular in the slot. There are literally no other corners on the roster worth a shit. I'm not so sure Berry makes it through the year with a gimp heel once again. Sorensen being out is a dagger back there because what's behind him is much worse. Murray has proven to be more of a liability than an asset at safety and he's too slow to play this scheme as a CB. He's a zone corner best suited for cover 2. Watts appears to have a ways to go yet and McQuay just looks lost.

Veach has to be on top of the waiver wire during cuts or this could be a long season for this defense. It's a passing league and I don't think the Chiefs have the tools to defend it.

O.city · 08-28-2018, 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by kccrow

I think the front 7 is much better than it was last season, but I'm incredibly concerned about the secondary. Fuller hasn't spent much time playing on the outside in the league, so he's got a task ahead of him. Nelson has traditionally been shitty matching up on the outside, but solid yet unspectacular in the slot. There are literally no other corners on the roster worth a shit. I'm not so sure Berry makes it through the year with a gimp heel once again. Sorensen being out is a dagger back there because what's behind him is much worse. Murray has proven to be more of a liability than an asset at safety and he's too slow to play this scheme as a CB. He's a zone corner best suited for cover 2. Watts appears to have a ways to go yet and McQuay just looks lost.

Veach has to be on top of the waiver wire during cuts or this could be a long season for this defense. It's a passing league and I don't think the Chiefs have the tools to defend it.

That's why I'd prefer he looks for some guys on other teams that may not be in their long term plans and flip a pick for them.

oldman · 08-28-2018, 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city

Possibly. It's very possible I mixed up the 2. Likely even.

The depth chart shows Reaser ahead of Redmond, but according to the roster, Reaser is 27 and Redmond 24. I don't know how much that means to the long term plans.
The other thing that struck me is O'Daniel is shown as an ILB but he's wearing a DB number. Wasn't he supposed to be a hybrid S/LB? Maybe they have plans for him that they haven't shown.

Mecca · 08-28-2018, 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by oldman

The depth chart shows Reaser ahead of Redmond, but according to the roster, Reaser is 27 and Redmond 24. I don't know how much that means to the long term plans.
The other thing that struck me is O'Daniel is shown as an ILB but he's wearing a DB number. Wasn't he supposed to be a hybrid S/LB? Maybe they have plans for him that they haven't shown.

LB's wear 40 numbers all the time, Eligwe has a 40's number.

Chief Pagan · 08-28-2018, 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Three7s

Yes, it is THAT bad. Will Berry actually play and play for an extended period? I doubt that.

You're also heavily assuming that the defense won't run much in the way of nickel and dime defenses, which require extra DBs. Whenever Nelson returns, that will still be an ongoing issue because beyond Nelson, who is still unproven in my book beyond the slot, there is next to nothing.

Everyone likes bashing the 2003 Chiefs defense, and rightfully so, but this secondary looks worse than that abomination.

When this defense makes it through an entire game without forcing a single punt, get back to me.

Until then, [insert you choice of expletive here]

08-27-2018, 04:28 PM
UChieffyBugger CP'S "MOST HATED" 😆 Join Date: Feb 2018 Casino cash: $-939600	Let's take a CLOSER look at the defense So many are in panic mode, so many are searching for someone to talk them off of the ledge, so I figured we might as well take a closer look at our potential starting defense come opening day. Secondary Nelson (CB) Fuller (CB) Berry (S) Murray (S) Front seven Ragland (ILB) Hitchens (ILB) Houston (OLB) Ford/Kpass (OLB) Bailey (DE) Jones (DE) Williams (DT) Now, there is still time for acquisitions but as we stand right now that is the defense. Is it THAT bad yall? We're all going nuts about it and even Nick Wright was saying "it's the worse defense in the NFL", but hold on, this defense hasn't even played together yet so how can anyone come to that conclusion? IF we're judging the defense solely on what we've seen in preseason then I think we're being naive. Fuller is a stud, Berry is proven when healthy, Ragland impressed last season, Hitchens is a workhorse, Jones is a rising star and Houston is one of the best in the game. We have plenty of talent on this defense. We just have to see them all on the field at the same damn time and then pray that they stay healthy. Because man for man I don't think those eleven players are bad at all.
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08-28-2018, 09:54 AM	#63
O.city In Search of a Life Join Date: Jul 2009 Casino cash: $-555936	Yeah, look at the numbers they usually keep. They aren't cutting Fuller, Nelson, or Scandrick. Smith has played the most special teams snaps and is a returner so they'll keep him. That's 4. They seem high on Springs so that would be 5. I think they normally are at 6 so he may make it.
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O.city In Search of a Life Join Date: Jul 2009 Casino cash: $-555936	The d hasn't played together or isn't game ready, yet we are to expect that to just what.....happen? This is why practice and the preseason are important.
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08-28-2018, 02:15 PM	#71
kccrow MVP Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Michigan Casino cash: $-1080000	I think the front 7 is much better than it was last season, but I'm incredibly concerned about the secondary. Fuller hasn't spent much time playing on the outside in the league, so he's got a task ahead of him. Nelson has traditionally been shitty matching up on the outside, but solid yet unspectacular in the slot. There are literally no other corners on the roster worth a shit. I'm not so sure Berry makes it through the year with a gimp heel once again. Sorensen being out is a dagger back there because what's behind him is much worse. Murray has proven to be more of a liability than an asset at safety and he's too slow to play this scheme as a CB. He's a zone corner best suited for cover 2. Watts appears to have a ways to go yet and McQuay just looks lost. Veach has to be on top of the waiver wire during cuts or this could be a long season for this defense. It's a passing league and I don't think the Chiefs have the tools to defend it.
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