Bailey Rumors

HuddleClubKid · 02-22-2004, 09:57 AM

Just read a recent post on Bailey on the Insiders.. It sounded like the Chiefs were closing in on a deal.. What have you guys heard?

Link: http://story.theinsiders.com/a.z?s=115&p=2&c=236269

I read that Gibbs was so-so on Bailey. Chiefs need this guy badly!!!!

Eleazar · 02-22-2004, 10:00 AM

Can't see the story...

LVNHACK · 02-22-2004, 10:01 AM

I thought the 'skins just placed the tag on Bailey.......If that's the case what would it cost to trade for him.....?????

NaptownChief · 02-22-2004, 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by LVNHACK

I thought the 'skins just placed the tag on Bailey.......If that's the case what would it cost to trade for him.....?????

I'm not sure in a trade, that may be open to what ever is agreed upon. If we just signed him outright and they didn't match I think he would cost us two first rounders. Not 100% certain on that however.

big nasty kcnut · 02-22-2004, 10:08 AM

here the story

By openly lobbying and permitting Bailey representatives to find a trade partner, the Redskins have found the niche to heighten the interest already generated with the opportunity presented to land a superior talent, such as Bailey. As the Detroit Lions have found out, getting into the Bailey game will be an expensive proposition.

Early bartering sessions conclude the Redskins are seeking a first and second round draft selection for what may be the best cornerback to have played the game since Deion Sanders. As the Lions continue to discuss deal with the Redskins and representatives for Bailey, they are not the only team that has done their homework.

“Right now, we’ll continue to see where it (Bailey talks) go, but the current price tag is steep,” Lions head coach Steve Mariucci said. “Getting a player of Champ Bailey’s ability can change the complexion of a defense, which is something that has to be evaluated.”

The Kansas City Chiefs have bounced back and forth about the notion of making a run for Bailey. What the Chiefs and other teams are concerned about is negotiating against themselves, which is something representatives for Bailey and the Washington Redskins say will not be the case.

“We have had some discussions about our position on Champ Bailey. He is a tremendous talent, which is why we have placed the franchise tag on him,” a Redskins representative said. “There are some ongoing discussions about Champ, but nothing is remotely close to getting done and I don’t know if anything will.

We are not in this seeking to deal Bailey, but if a team makes us an offer that fits the parameters we believe are appropriate, then we can move forward.”

Looking to shore-up their suspect defense, Kansas City has been lurking in the background in the Bailey sweepstakes. Though discussing the parameters and possibility of acquiring Bailey, the team has also been evaluating other cornerbacks that are much cheaper alternatives.

Troy Vincent of the Philadelphia Eagles is one defensive back the Kansas City Chiefs have had lengthy discussions about. Vincent is a solid player, but not of the caliber of Bailey. But, signing Vincent won’t cost the Chiefs a first and second round draft selection and he would be come at less of a salary cap hit for the team.

The Kansas City Chiefs could become a better defensive team by signing Vincent, but the bottom-line is from what we have been told is that the Chiefs want Bailey and they will continue to discuss the possibility with the Redskins.

Enamored with the potential to take an opponent’s top-receiver out of the game, the Chiefs have not been able to get past the notion of adding Bailey. Heading into the off-season, Kansas City did not have to undergo a salary purge to get under the league imposed salary cap. With the latest news from the league the salary-cap will be increased to slightly above 80-million dollars, the Chiefs may ultimately venture into un-chartered waters and secure the services of the best in the game, Champ Bailey. The Chiefs are committed, the Redskins are off-season players, if the Lions don’t get on the ball, and the game could be over in short order.

LVNHACK · 02-22-2004, 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by NaptownChief

I'm not sure in a trade, that may be open to what ever is agreed upon. If we just signed him outright and they didn't match I think he would cost us two first rounders. Not 100% certain on that however.

Thanks for the info........Two first rounders, let's see that's #30 this year and #32 next........Pull the trigger........

Eleazar · 02-22-2004, 10:15 AM

Sounds like good news, that it's us and the Lions according to this article, and the Lions are already talking about how their price is too steep. Bailey is young enough to help them in their rebuilding process, but you would have to think they ought to be keeping their picks because they have holes all over the field.

LVNHACK · 02-22-2004, 10:15 AM

The way the Chiefs draft they may as well give up picks and make it happen.......That way they get aproven talent that can play next season vs. another guy to play sp. teams and watch from the sidelines.........

LVNHACK · 02-22-2004, 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Cochise

Sounds like good news, that it's us and the Lions according to this article, and the Lions are already talking about how their price is too steep. Bailey is young enough to help them in their rebuilding process, but you would have to think they ought to be keeping their picks because they have holes all over the field.

I look for the lions to pick a RB either Perry or Jones.........

Eleazar · 02-22-2004, 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by LVNHACK

The way the Chiefs draft they may as well give up picks and make it happen.......That way they get aproven talent that can play next season vs. another guy to play sp. teams and watch from the sidelines.........

Which pair of guys below is worth what Champ Bailey would be worth to us?

Chiefs #1 & #2 picks:

2003 - Larry Johnson, Kawika Mitchell
2002 - Ryan Sims, Eddie Freeman
2001 - (didn't pick until 3rd)
2000 - Eric Downing, Snoop Minnis
1999 - John Tait, Mike Cloud
1998 - Victor Riley, Rashaan Shehee
1997 - Tony Gonzalez, Kevin Lockett
1996 - Jerome Woods, Reggie Tongue
1995 - Trezelle Jenkins, Tamarick Vanover
1994 - Greg Hill, Donnell Bennett
1993 - (didn't pick until 3rd)
1992 - Dale Carter, Matt Blundin
1991 - Harvey Williams, Joe Valerio
1990 - Percy Snow, Time Grunhard
1989 - Derrick Thomas, Mike Elkins

royr17 · 02-22-2004, 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Cochise

Which pair of guys below is worth what Champ Bailey would be worth to us?

Chiefs #1 & #2 picks:

2003 - Larry Johnson, Kawika Mitchell
2002 - Ryan Sims, Eddie Freeman
2001 - (didn't pick until 3rd)
2000 - Eric Downing, Snoop Minnis
1999 - John Tait, Mike Cloud
1998 - Victor Riley, Rashaan Shehee
1997 - Tony Gonzalez, Kevin Lockett
1996 - Jerome Woods, Reggie Tongue
1995 - Trezelle Jenkins, Tamarick Vanover
1994 - Greg Hill, Donnell Bennett
1993 - (didn't pick until 3rd)
1992 - Dale Carter, Matt Blundin
1991 - Harvey Williams, Joe Valerio
1990 - Percy Snow, Time Grunhard
1989 - Derrick Thomas, Mike Elkins

The only one i see there that Champ Bailey would've been worth for is in 96 when we drafted Woods and Tongue. Thats the only one.

DenverChief · 02-22-2004, 10:36 AM

Didn't Bad Guy say that insiders stuff is just a bunch of recycled crap from profootballtalk.com and rumors?

TRR · 02-22-2004, 10:42 AM

The insiders board is about making money. I posted this several times, but I know one of the guys that started Insiders up, and he has, let's just say, a shady background in sports reporting.

Marty McDonald · 02-22-2004, 10:51 AM

Yawn...I'm going back to bed.

BigChiefFan · 02-22-2004, 10:54 AM

I know this isn't the most credible source,but The Chiefs should pull the trigger on this.You would think with players like Crockett they would have learned their lessons.It may cost a little more but in the long-run we will be money ahead.The position will be solidified for the next seven years and we won't have to worry about finding a premier CB or taking a cap hit because his play has deteriorated.Even looking at from strictly a business standpoint,the Chiefs will defintely sell more tickets,merchandise,ect...and show the fans that they are committed to going all the way.This is a no-brainer,get Champ Bailey.

02-22-2004, 09:57 AM
HuddleClubKid Rookie Join Date: Feb 2004 Casino cash: $10004900	Bailey Rumors Just read a recent post on Bailey on the Insiders.. It sounded like the Chiefs were closing in on a deal.. What have you guys heard? Link: http://story.theinsiders.com/a.z?s=115&p=2&c=236269 I read that Gibbs was so-so on Bailey. Chiefs need this guy badly!!!!
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02-22-2004, 10:01 AM	#3
LVNHACK MVP Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Baghdad Casino cash: $10004925	I thought the 'skins just placed the tag on Bailey.......If that's the case what would it cost to trade for him.....????? __________________ Bleach really should be used in the gene pool Some people grow up, some just grow old.
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02-22-2004, 10:08 AM	#5
big nasty kcnut The pizza king of kansas Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Somewhere in the u.s.a. Casino cash: $-2169100	here the story By openly lobbying and permitting Bailey representatives to find a trade partner, the Redskins have found the niche to heighten the interest already generated with the opportunity presented to land a superior talent, such as Bailey. As the Detroit Lions have found out, getting into the Bailey game will be an expensive proposition. Early bartering sessions conclude the Redskins are seeking a first and second round draft selection for what may be the best cornerback to have played the game since Deion Sanders. As the Lions continue to discuss deal with the Redskins and representatives for Bailey, they are not the only team that has done their homework. “Right now, we’ll continue to see where it (Bailey talks) go, but the current price tag is steep,” Lions head coach Steve Mariucci said. “Getting a player of Champ Bailey’s ability can change the complexion of a defense, which is something that has to be evaluated.” The Kansas City Chiefs have bounced back and forth about the notion of making a run for Bailey. What the Chiefs and other teams are concerned about is negotiating against themselves, which is something representatives for Bailey and the Washington Redskins say will not be the case. “We have had some discussions about our position on Champ Bailey. He is a tremendous talent, which is why we have placed the franchise tag on him,” a Redskins representative said. “There are some ongoing discussions about Champ, but nothing is remotely close to getting done and I don’t know if anything will. We are not in this seeking to deal Bailey, but if a team makes us an offer that fits the parameters we believe are appropriate, then we can move forward.” Looking to shore-up their suspect defense, Kansas City has been lurking in the background in the Bailey sweepstakes. Though discussing the parameters and possibility of acquiring Bailey, the team has also been evaluating other cornerbacks that are much cheaper alternatives. Troy Vincent of the Philadelphia Eagles is one defensive back the Kansas City Chiefs have had lengthy discussions about. Vincent is a solid player, but not of the caliber of Bailey. But, signing Vincent won’t cost the Chiefs a first and second round draft selection and he would be come at less of a salary cap hit for the team. The Kansas City Chiefs could become a better defensive team by signing Vincent, but the bottom-line is from what we have been told is that the Chiefs want Bailey and they will continue to discuss the possibility with the Redskins. Enamored with the potential to take an opponent’s top-receiver out of the game, the Chiefs have not been able to get past the notion of adding Bailey. Heading into the off-season, Kansas City did not have to undergo a salary purge to get under the league imposed salary cap. With the latest news from the league the salary-cap will be increased to slightly above 80-million dollars, the Chiefs may ultimately venture into un-chartered waters and secure the services of the best in the game, Champ Bailey. The Chiefs are committed, the Redskins are off-season players, if the Lions don’t get on the ball, and the game could be over in short order. __________________ When it's grim, be the grim reaper and go get it. Adopt a chiefs Travis Kelce. You woke up the wrong mother****er!
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02-22-2004, 10:15 AM	#7
Eleazar Beyond the Rapids Join Date: May 2003 Location: Langley, VA Casino cash: $-370000	Sounds like good news, that it's us and the Lions according to this article, and the Lions are already talking about how their price is too steep. Bailey is young enough to help them in their rebuilding process, but you would have to think they ought to be keeping their picks because they have holes all over the field.
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02-22-2004, 10:15 AM	#8
LVNHACK MVP Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Baghdad Casino cash: $10004925	The way the Chiefs draft they may as well give up picks and make it happen.......That way they get aproven talent that can play next season vs. another guy to play sp. teams and watch from the sidelines......... __________________ Bleach really should be used in the gene pool Some people grow up, some just grow old.
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02-22-2004, 10:00 AM	#2
Eleazar Beyond the Rapids Join Date: May 2003 Location: Langley, VA Casino cash: $-370000	Can't see the story...
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02-22-2004, 10:36 AM	#12
DenverChief Pedantic Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Rocky Ford Casino cash: $3072617	Didn't Bad Guy say that insiders stuff is just a bunch of recycled crap from profootballtalk.com and rumors?
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02-22-2004, 10:42 AM	#13
TRR The Priest and I Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: CO Casino cash: $9440185	The insiders board is about making money. I posted this several times, but I know one of the guys that started Insiders up, and he has, let's just say, a shady background in sports reporting.
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02-22-2004, 10:51 AM	#14
Marty McDonald Save Our Chiefs Guy Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Red Lobster Casino cash: $9994900	Yawn...I'm going back to bed. __________________ My name is Jeff and I have a problem. I play QB for the Browns. Can you imagine me in an orange uniform? I'm quivering!
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02-22-2004, 10:54 AM	#15
BigChiefFan MVP Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: In the Top 10 Casino cash: $9924205	I know this isn't the most credible source,but The Chiefs should pull the trigger on this.You would think with players like Crockett they would have learned their lessons.It may cost a little more but in the long-run we will be money ahead.The position will be solidified for the next seven years and we won't have to worry about finding a premier CB or taking a cap hit because his play has deteriorated.Even looking at from strictly a business standpoint,the Chiefs will defintely sell more tickets,merchandise,ect...and show the fans that they are committed to going all the way.This is a no-brainer,get Champ Bailey. __________________ A 35 year drought can make you thirsty.
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