Tyreek: At what point do we point blame for the game and season

[wutamess]

I know you guys want to blame the refs, The 3rd & 27 call, Spags and the defense as a whole.

However, if Tyreek catches that ball right before the half, this game is out of reach. Before someone says, "he got it hit out of his hands"... do you think Chase or Higgins would've dropped that pass yesterday? They're purely hand catching WRs.

Tyreek has always been a body catcher and it's been a 50/50 shot if it hits his hands. Him and Kelce are a HUGE reason for us going 3-4 to start the season as they're DEFINITELY fuel to the early season turnover machine we've become.

I surely hope he works on catching with his hands such as the greats (D. Hopkins comes to mind). Once he does that, he'll definitely be THE top WR in the league. Right now, he seems more like an athlete that's playing WR. Not a true WR.

https://youtu.be/kU6yIpghmLU?t=483

[Red Dawg]

Originally Posted by Hammock Parties

Chiefs had lots of opportunities to win. That play, the kickoff return, 3rd and 27.

They just blew it, period. This might be a valuable lesson we learned right before the postseason. Glass half full.

True but the refs aided them along. 6 times we stopped them and the refs gave them 1st downs. Goal line stand and they gave them a 1st down.

[RINGLEADER]

Wish he would have caught it, but sometimes even great receivers drop a pass.

A lot went wrong yesterday and we probably still could have won in spite of it. Tyreek is fine and so are the Chiefs.

If you remember during the SBLIV season we lost a game we should have won at Tennessee. Them winning that game got them into the post-season and ended up getting us Suggs as well as the eventual home Championship Game. Things often work in strange ways that, in the moment, may seem bad but in the long run could put this team exactly where it needs to be to realize the mistakes they made yesterday can happen again if they don't change.

Personally, I'm hoping we get the Chargers, Bengals, and Titans and get to avenge every loss we had to a playoff team this season.

[wutamess]

Originally Posted by jettio

That was a high trajectory ball thrown on a windy day. I think it hit his shoulder pad before his hands. Mahomes and Reid both say that Tyreek has elite ability to track a ball in the air like an elite MLB outfielder.

Fans allocating blame is a stupid waste of time. What if you came up with a chart that perfectly assigned the right amount of blame to each player and coach? Could you trade the chart in for a win?

Would you use the chart to try to convince a player to accept less pay than they could get from another team?

Brett Veach is not going to do that because he knows that other teams will pay market value.

The whole idea of allocating blame is silly. And acting like the defensive back is not there makes allocating blame on that play even sillier.

Tracking and execution are 2 totally different things. He has tracked EVERY ball PM15 has thrown to him really well. However, they've still somehow manage to bounce off his hands and into the opposing defenders for ints.

Just curious... How does a ball hit your shoulder pads before your hands? That doesn't make sense nor is it an excuse. He was under it just fine and in position. Chase AND Higgins uses their hands and would've made the catch and tucked it before the defender had a chance to make the play.

[TwistedChief]

There is no point where I place the blame for this game or the season with Tyreek Hill. None.

He does so much more to open up our offense than his stats will EVER indicate.

And as for comparing him to Chase... The dude leads the league in drops.

https://scores.nbcsports.com/fb/lead...e=NFL&rank=232

And that's on 32 more targets for Hill, mind you.

[Deberg_1990]

Lots of reasons the Chiefs lost yesterday. This is just one small component.

[RealSNR]

This is a dumb thread.

It's dumb to point to one play that occurred in the 2nd quarter and go, "Well, if this happened, we'd have an extra TD, so add that to the final score and look at that we win that one play cost us the game." It's no different than Chargers fans or people in the media saying, "Well, if Staley kicks just one field goal instead of going for it, the Chargers win!" No. You've got an entire rest of the game to play out, and it's foolish to think the rest of the game is just going to play out exactly the way it did.

It's the same reason why most people are more angry about the game getting decided on illegal contact and bullshit holding the play prior to that one instead of the bullshit kick return callback in the 2nd quarter. Yeah, our lead jumps out to 18, but the game can still play out any number of ways. It doesn't guarantee our victory in any way.

[stevieray]

I think sometimes he catches with his body because he's so fast and is waiting on the ball. PM has also caught him in stride numerous times for huge plays.

Not going to nitpick this guy.

We're damn lucky to have him.

[comochiefsfan]

Tyreek is one of the last people I would blame for yesterday.

Ron Torbert, Steve Spagnuolo, Charvarius Ward, Rashad Fenton, Daniel Sorensen all deserve much more blame than Tyreek.

[DRM08]

Still think the defense deserves more blame in this game. How do you allow a 3rd and 27 conversion? Seems like that should never happen in the NFL. You can only hope they will be able to perform a lot better in the playoffs. They need to use this loss as motivation.

[ChiTown]

Originally Posted by Deberg_1990

Lots of reasons the Chiefs lost yesterday. This is just one small component.

It's rarely, if EVER, one thing that actually loses the game for any team. How about if our D could find a way to get off the field a little more often in the 2nd half? How about if we don't hold on Pringles kickoff return? How about if we decide to go for it rather than kick a FG rather than tie the game? How about if our O was just a little more effective than it was in the 2nd half? Our inability to convert in pressure situations in the 2nd half was awful.

Reek dropping that pass before half was just one data point in a long list of "what ifs", and it ain't squarely on him. My ire yesterday (I'm not longer pissed about this game at all) was squarely on Spags and his 3rd and 27 call. That was just beyond shocking to me.

[comochiefsfan]

Originally Posted by DRM08

Still think the defense deserves more blame in this game. How do you allow a 3rd and 27 conversion? Seems like that should never happen in the NFL. You can only hope they will be able to perform a lot better in the playoffs. They need to use this loss as motivation.

I still can't believe that call.

One of the worst play calls offense or defense I've ever seen.

[Rainbarrel]

Wisdom found in unexpected places and people

[stumppy]

Spags should have doubled Chase the entire game. No excuse to leave him with single coverage at all.

[Deberg_1990]

Originally Posted by ChiTown

It's rarely, if EVER, one thing that actually loses the game for any team. How about if our D could find a way to get off the field a little more often in the 2nd half? How about if we don't hold on Pringles kickoff return? How about if we decide to go for it rather than kick a FG rather than tie the game? How about if our O was just a little more effective than it was in the 2nd half? Our inability to convert in pressure situations in the 2nd half was awful.

Reek dropping that pass before half was just one data point in a long list of "what ifs", and it ain't squarely on him. My ire yesterday (I'm not longer pissed about this game at all) was squarely on Spags and his 3rd and 27 call. That was just beyond shocking to me.

Agree with all this. Both the offense and defense failed in the 2nd half. The only bright spot was D Will gashing the Bengals on the ground. Probably the best I remember seeing him run.

[Simply Red]

holy shit wutamess back up in this bitch! with a VENGENCE (I might add.)