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Old 01-04-2022, 01:34 PM  
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Bengals gained 60% Win Probability from penalties against Chiefs
The 1st half of the Super Bowl last year clearly helped Tampa Bay. The refs were going to make sure that they kept the Tom Brady story alive.

The Cincy game was another game the refs decided to get involved.


The #Bengals gained over 60% Win Probability from penalties in their Week 17 win over the #Chiefs

It was the 3rd largest WP gained from penalties in any #NFL game this year

(Chart doesn't include non-calls that could add to the Refs influence. There were many calls not made against the Bengals)
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Old 01-04-2022, 02:03 PM   #16
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Face it...nothing “needs” to happen. You’ll still watch. I’ll still watch. And definitely Joe America will watch. Unless it literally turns into WWE.

I do think there are cases of ref manipulation and I think this was one of them.
The only thing that makes me think that it may just be ref incompetence is the fact that if games were rigged and it came out, the ensuing firestorm and multitude of class action lawsuits against the league would bring the whole operation down.

That's an awful lot to risk, especially with gambling involved. I love pro football so I really hope it's just poor officiating. Who knows though. It sucks that it's even something you have to think about.
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Old 01-04-2022, 02:04 PM   #17
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Which means the data doesn't include the non-calls on KC either. So this "data" isn't worth shit.
That's pretty presumptive.

Just because it isn't all-encompassing, doesn't mean it isn't worth anything. The refs clearly influenced the outcome of the Cincy/Chiefs game.

Maybe they helped the Chiefs in other games, but they did hurt the Chiefs against the Bengals.
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Two fourth down penalties were legit.

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I will say this - I didn't watch the game but have watched snippets on YT. This Chase dude pushes off on every snap - I mean blatently, much like DeAndre Hopkins has his whole career.
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Old 01-04-2022, 02:11 PM   #20
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I will say this - I didn't watch the game but have watched snippets on YT. This Chase dude pushes off on every snap - I mean blatently, much like DeAndre Hopkins has his whole career.
Tony Gonzalez made a career out of it. Some dudes are just really good at it.
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Two fourth down penalties were legit.

Admittedly, there was a little something there on the last play, but that amount of contact shouldn't decide a game.
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Tony Gonzalez made a career out of it. Some dudes are just really good at it.
No excuse - he should be put to death Bryan!
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I'm trying to think of a playoff game that the Chiefs won on a call as egregious as "forward progress" vs the Titans, and I'm coming up blank.
I can't come up with anything that blatantly wrong. A lot of other teams' fans would say that our DBs (especially Breeland) basically got away with holding constantly during the Super Bowl run, as a partial example, though.

To be fair, that's how I wish the entire game was called (I get really tired of WRs getting away with everything and DBs getting called for ticky tack stuff), but you can definitely make an argument that the refs just got tired of calling it and let us get away with it.
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Kelce has been mugged every game this year within the 5-yard area without a call. I'm not sold on that call against Ward, especially in that situation, when Kelce can't buy a hold within 5 yards of the line of scrimmage. Kelce needs to fall down to get a call, apparently. But I've seen that not be called as well.

On the Sneed penalty in the endzone, sure. That is technically a foul. It didn't impact the play whatsoever as he continued on his route uninterrupted, but sure. It's ticky-tack in that situation given the consequences of the call.

And if you want to argue both of these were fine, the other late penalties (false starts, P.I., unnecessary roughness) aren't really debatable. Those were just bad, bad calls.
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Again, this Twitter account was created in November of 2021, has under 500 followers and we have no idea how they calculate this "data".

We lost, get over it. Shit happens.

We better win the SB this year or this place is going to be unbearable with the rigged nonsense.
Lol bro a good amount of people on here think certain diseases are a hoax. You can't fix stupid.
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You remember the ones that go against us. Rival fans would point out games where the calls went for us. They tend to balance out over time, but there's no doubt they suck in individual games.
I was reading the Bengals forum for the 1st half.

They could not stop bitching about the refs and missed holding calls and this and that.

****ing hilarious how that works, eh?
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I can't come up with anything that blatantly wrong. A lot of other teams' fans would say that our DBs (especially Breeland) basically got away with holding constantly during the Super Bowl run, as a partial example, though.
Bills fans would not shut the **** up about all the non-DPI calls in the playoffs last year.

When a team loses every fan base bitches about the refs. With merit or not.
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Which means the data doesn't include the non-calls on KC either. So this "data" isn't worth shit.
Uh, what non calls. The Chiefs don't commit penalties.
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Admittedly, there was a little something there on the last play, but that amount of contact shouldn't decide a game.
Regardless, it's a penalty.

The ****ing Bengal had to re-adjust his helmet, ffs.

Our scheme demands that the DB's play tight, press coverage. Naturally we're more inclined to get DPI's rather than a teams that play primarily zone.
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