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Old 01-04-2022, 01:34 PM  
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Bengals gained 60% Win Probability from penalties against Chiefs
The 1st half of the Super Bowl last year clearly helped Tampa Bay. The refs were going to make sure that they kept the Tom Brady story alive.

The Cincy game was another game the refs decided to get involved.


The #Bengals gained over 60% Win Probability from penalties in their Week 17 win over the #Chiefs

It was the 3rd largest WP gained from penalties in any #NFL game this year

(Chart doesn't include non-calls that could add to the Refs influence. There were many calls not made against the Bengals)
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Old 01-04-2022, 02:56 PM   #31
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Maybe don’t let a single guy get 270 receiving yards and the penalties don’t really matter
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Old 01-04-2022, 03:00 PM   #32
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Eh. It's not nonsense to correctly state that games are steered a certain way. We've certainly benefited at times too. Cincy doesn't win if the game was called correctly....period
Cincy doesn't win if KC actually plays the second half. They clearly thought the game was over at half time.
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Old 01-04-2022, 03:13 PM   #33
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I will say this - I didn't watch the game but have watched snippets on YT. This Chase dude pushes off on every snap - I mean blatently, much like DeAndre Hopkins has his whole career.
That's the game now, a few years ago they said if a receiver extends his arm at the top of a route that's OPI, today all receivers do it and never get called for it.
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Old 01-04-2022, 03:34 PM   #34
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The Chiefs sure to seem to get their fair share of it "going in the other direction"

The Super Bowl against Tampa Bay went crazy against the Chiefs. Beyond annoying.
Keep your ear to the streets and you'll find a lot of (dipshit) fans claim we won our last Super Bowl because of the refs. They specifically mention our DBs and OL never being called for holding.

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Two fourth down penalties were legit.

They're legit. At some point you've just gotta let these ****ing guys go.
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Old 01-04-2022, 03:46 PM   #35
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That's the game now, a few years ago they said if a receiver extends his arm at the top of a route that's OPI
That lasted for like, all of one season.
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Old 01-04-2022, 03:48 PM   #36
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Old 01-04-2022, 04:02 PM   #37
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I'm trying to think of a playoff game that the Chiefs won on a call as egregious as "forward progress" vs the Titans, and I'm coming up blank.
I'm trying to come up with an example where the Chiefs have ever WON a game in the final 4 minutes based on controversial calls...

Conversely...we have the infamous Raiders game as time expired, The Chargers OPI game which the NFL used as a teaching moment on the last play. This Bengals game...The Chargers 4th and 9 DPI and no call on the Hail Mary muggings.....not the final 4 minutes but last season Raider loss where 13-17 points were lost, the Texans game where they called DPI... Mahomes thinks he has a free play, chucks it up for an INT then they pick up the flag....Chiefs were routing Houston on a national stage. The Titans Triplett playoff game...The Patriot AFCCG. The Patriot game where no penalties were called on NE.
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Old 01-04-2022, 04:20 PM   #38
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I'm trying to come up with an example where the Chiefs have ever WON a game in the final 4 minutes based on controversial calls...

Conversely...we have the infamous Raiders game as time expired, The Chargers OPI game which the NFL used as a teaching moment on the last play. This Bengals game...The Chargers 4th and 9 DPI and no call on the Hail Mary muggings.....not the final 4 minutes but last season Raider loss where 13-17 points were lost, the Texans game where they called DPI... Mahomes thinks he has a free play, chucks it up for an INT then they pick up the flag....Chiefs were routing Houston on a national stage. The Titans Triplett playoff game...The Patriot AFCCG. The Patriot game where no penalties where called on NE.
You forgot the playoff game vs Denver where Tony Gonzalez was declared out on a TD play. I'm not even going to bring up the Vaseline game...
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Old 01-04-2022, 04:23 PM   #39
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That's pretty presumptive.

Just because it isn't all-encompassing, doesn't mean it isn't worth anything. The refs clearly influenced the outcome of the Cincy/Chiefs game.

Maybe they helped the Chiefs in other games, but they did hurt the Chiefs against the Bengals.
Bad non-calls have an impact on the game as well, correct?

To only focus on the so-called bad calls (especially when several of them were the right call) has an impact on the data.
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Cincy doesn't win if Spags makes coverage adjustments in the second half. He clearly took an hour or so nap at half time.
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I'm trying to come up with an example where the Chiefs have ever WON a game in the final 4 minutes based on controversial calls...
The Dwayne Rudd game? That's the best I can think of...
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It wasn't all against the Chiefs, according to this..

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The Dwayne Rudd game? That's the best I can think of...
What was controversial about that? It was just flat out stupidity on his part.
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What was controversial about that? It was just flat out stupidity on his part.
Yeah, he through his helmet about 10 seconds before the play was over so it was pretty obvious.
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