Chiefs Offensive struggles the last 2 years are personnel driven, not coaching - Page 6

RunKC · 02-09-2025, 11:12 PM

Idk how anyone cannot see this.

Andy Reid stood at the combine in 2023 and said Skyy Moore and Kadarius Toney were their top WR’s. We saw how that went.

In fact, can anyone tell me without looking what WR has had the most snaps of any Chiefs WR the last 2 seasons? Anyone? Ready for it? It’s Justin Watson. Nobody has played more snaps at that position than him the last 2 years.

Don’t even get me started on the OL. A late 3rd and late 2nd on tackles are considered projects. They are not real shots at a LT historically speaking. Shocking that they turned out to look like projects.
We have had 5 starting LT’s the last 2 years. FIVE.

The RB room had the least explosive plays of any RB room in the entire league. Only 17 10+ explosive plays all year. We even had some loser with an Alligator that plays FB take starting snaps

I get that it sucked losing Pacheco, Hollywood and Rashee. I understand and am not faulting Veach. The fact is that Kareem Hunt, Juju, DeAndre Hopkins and Travis Kelce are old. They aren’t explosive anymore. That was painfully clear tonight. It’s why Veach doesn’t like signing 30+ year old players unless he absolutely has to.

Again this isn’t a Veach bitch fest it’s just the facts. I think Veach is gonna take a hammer to this offense and hard after OL and explosive playmakers.

Thankfully he’s got an extra pick early thanks to Sneed

Sassy Squatch · 02-10-2025, 07:07 PM

Hindsight being 50/50 and all, Hopkins ended up being a complete waste of time. Dude was washed and I really wish they would've used that pick on Cam Robinson instead just for the factor of knowing whether he'd continue to be mediocre to bad here or if he had a higher ceiling so we could possibly extend him.

Chiefspants · 02-10-2025, 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC

Lack of separation outside of Worthy and sometimes Hollywood outside of schemed passes was quietly one of the biggest reasons we lost.

This is really really bad

For those #Chiefs fans that want to see it here is the high 50 view of all the passing plays from the game yesterday. For those that don't want to view, I get it but I made it one clip so it isn't a ton of breakdowns all over your timeline. #ChiefsKingdom pic.twitter.com/0o9ZNVWwea
— Nick Jacobs (@Jacobs71) February 10, 2025

Yikes. I’m going to hope that’s a personnel issue and not a scheme issue.

Fishpicker · 02-10-2025, 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by TheGuardian

We still got dumb bitches in here talking about not giving up on Kingsley.

Bret has had one great draft and that's it.

We shouldn't give up on Kingsley. He can develop. I remember Fisher looked like dog shit for several years. Even at right tackle he looked bad

FloridaMan88 · 02-10-2025, 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefspants

Yikes. I’m going to hope that’s a personnel issue and not a scheme issue.

JuJu, Kelce, and Hopkins are old and slow… that’s a personnel issue.

But schematically it seemed like the Andy/Nagy were giving Mahomes very few hot reads to bail him out as he was pressured… instead the receivers were almost always 10-15 yards downfield not even looking for the ball.

BWillie · 02-10-2025, 07:32 PM

I would get rid of Nagy and get new blood. I realize it probably doesn't matter and it is Reids baby but it is what it is.

crispystl · 02-10-2025, 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC

Lack of separation outside of Worthy and sometimes Hollywood outside of schemed passes was quietly one of the biggest reasons we lost.

This is really really bad

For those #Chiefs fans that want to see it here is the high 50 view of all the passing plays from the game yesterday. For those that don't want to view, I get it but I made it one clip so it isn't a ton of breakdowns all over your timeline. #ChiefsKingdom pic.twitter.com/0o9ZNVWwea
— Nick Jacobs (@Jacobs71) February 10, 2025

Man, that pick at 2:00 is terrible. I just don't know wtf Mahomes saw there.

FloridaMan88 · 02-10-2025, 07:37 PM

Veach previously said that the Chiefs free agency will be the draft this upcoming offseason… not sure if that changes given how desperately they need a LT.

seamonster · 02-10-2025, 07:41 PM

All the underneath routes were zone coverage. Kelce and Juju are assassins at pick plays and zone busting but that takes timing and you can't have timing when the left tackle is a severe historic liability. I see nothing wrong with the scheme.

RunKC · 04-28-2025, 03:34 PM

it feels like their mission with this draft was to fix all of this mess. Man I am so happy.

We didn’t have a RB on this team last year that had juice like Elijah Mitchell or Brashard Smith. Our depth WR was 50 year old Hopkins or knee replacement merchant Juju. Thank God.

If Simmons is the guy we’re sold this offense is scoring a lot of points again.

Coogs · 04-28-2025, 06:26 PM

We will never know, but that 3rd play of the game for the offense could have been a game changer. If Kelce hangs on, maybe we were coming back with a run after 2 quick 1st downs, and things may have broken open for the offense?

I've felt that way on game day. I still feel that way today.

Coochie liquor · 04-28-2025, 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Coogs

We will never know, but that 3rd play of the game for the offense could have been a game changer. If Kelce hangs on, maybe we were coming back with a run after 2 quick 1st downs, and things may have broken open for the offense?

I've felt that way on game day. I still feel that way today.

There were 4-5 players that would have given us a little momentum and could have changed things. But it seemed every single time we had a chance, the receivers couldn’t make the catch. It was the same way in the Bucs SB too. The inability to gain any kind of momentum killed us until the other team could put the game out of reach.

MahomesMagic · 04-28-2025, 09:14 PM

The offense went from #1 in the NFL to mediocre since Nagy arrived.

That's not a coincidence. Watch the Bears "highlights" under Nagy and what they have Mahomes doing over here.

Same crap.

**BossChief** · 04-29-2025, 02:34 AM

Simmons
Royals
Moore
Rice
Hollywood
Smith
Pacheco
Hollywood

Crazy that we are basically adding all this talent to last years offense. And I’m probably missing a couple guys.

Otter · 04-29-2025, 03:17 AM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

Simmons
Royals
Moore
Rice
Hollywood
Smith
Pacheco
Hollywood

Crazy that we are basically adding all this talent to last years offense. And I’m probably missing a couple guys.

Hollywood so good he cannot make it past the first play of a preseason game you named him twice?

Moore? More what?

Womble · 04-29-2025, 03:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Otter

Hollywood so good he cannot make it past the first play of a preseason game you named him twice?

Moore? More what?

He is talking about Jaylon Moore. He used the word "talent" and that clearly rules out Skyy because he does not possess any.

02-09-2025, 11:12 PM
RunKC Andy Reid Supporter Join Date: Apr 2012 Casino cash: $-1420389	Offensive struggles the last 2 years are personnel driven, not coaching Idk how anyone cannot see this. Andy Reid stood at the combine in 2023 and said Skyy Moore and Kadarius Toney were their top WR’s. We saw how that went. In fact, can anyone tell me without looking what WR has had the most snaps of any Chiefs WR the last 2 seasons? Anyone? Ready for it? It’s Justin Watson. Nobody has played more snaps at that position than him the last 2 years. Don’t even get me started on the OL. A late 3rd and late 2nd on tackles are considered projects. They are not real shots at a LT historically speaking. Shocking that they turned out to look like projects. We have had 5 starting LT’s the last 2 years. FIVE. The RB room had the least explosive plays of any RB room in the entire league. Only 17 10+ explosive plays all year. We even had some loser with an Alligator that plays FB take starting snaps I get that it sucked losing Pacheco, Hollywood and Rashee. I understand and am not faulting Veach. The fact is that Kareem Hunt, Juju, DeAndre Hopkins and Travis Kelce are old. They aren’t explosive anymore. That was painfully clear tonight. It’s why Veach doesn’t like signing 30+ year old players unless he absolutely has to. Again this isn’t a Veach bitch fest it’s just the facts. I think Veach is gonna take a hammer to this offense and hard after OL and explosive playmakers. Thankfully he’s got an extra pick early thanks to Sneed
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Sassy Squatch The man you could post like. Join Date: Oct 2010 Casino cash: $-1230345	Hindsight being 50/50 and all, Hopkins ended up being a complete waste of time. Dude was washed and I really wish they would've used that pick on Cam Robinson instead just for the factor of knowing whether he'd continue to be mediocre to bad here or if he had a higher ceiling so we could possibly extend him.
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02-10-2025, 07:41 PM	#83
seamonster Veteran Join Date: Oct 2010 Casino cash: $3675409	All the underneath routes were zone coverage. Kelce and Juju are assassins at pick plays and zone busting but that takes timing and you can't have timing when the left tackle is a severe historic liability. I see nothing wrong with the scheme.
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04-28-2025, 03:34 PM	#84
RunKC Andy Reid Supporter Join Date: Apr 2012 Casino cash: $-1420389	it feels like their mission with this draft was to fix all of this mess. Man I am so happy. We didn’t have a RB on this team last year that had juice like Elijah Mitchell or Brashard Smith. Our depth WR was 50 year old Hopkins or knee replacement merchant Juju. Thank God. If Simmons is the guy we’re sold this offense is scoring a lot of points again. __________________ Mike Greenberg@Espngreeny I can’t fathom what it must be like to be a fan of the #Chiefs. Adopt a Chief: Jared Wiley
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04-28-2025, 06:26 PM	#85
Coogs In Search of a Life Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Northern Kansas Casino cash: $-2045651	We will never know, but that 3rd play of the game for the offense could have been a game changer. If Kelce hangs on, maybe we were coming back with a run after 2 quick 1st downs, and things may have broken open for the offense? I've felt that way on game day. I still feel that way today. Last edited by Coogs; 04-28-2025 at 06:33 PM..
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04-28-2025, 09:14 PM	#87
MahomesMagic Generational Player Join Date: May 2017 Location: Honolulu Casino cash: $550400	The offense went from #1 in the NFL to mediocre since Nagy arrived. That's not a coincidence. Watch the Bears "highlights" under Nagy and what they have Mahomes doing over here. Same crap.
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04-29-2025, 02:34 AM	#88
BossChief SuperBowl or bust Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: BF Iowa Casino cash: $-1555912	Simmons Royals Moore Rice Hollywood Smith Pacheco Hollywood Crazy that we are basically adding all this talent to last years offense. And I’m probably missing a couple guys. __________________ Dreams do come true... http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showp...postcount=1407
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