Offensive struggles the last 2 years are personnel driven, not coaching

[RunKC]

Idk how anyone cannot see this.

Andy Reid stood at the combine in 2023 and said Skyy Moore and Kadarius Toney were their top WR’s. We saw how that went.

In fact, can anyone tell me without looking what WR has had the most snaps of any Chiefs WR the last 2 seasons? Anyone? Ready for it? It’s Justin Watson. Nobody has played more snaps at that position than him the last 2 years.

Don’t even get me started on the OL. A late 3rd and late 2nd on tackles are considered projects. They are not real shots at a LT historically speaking. Shocking that they turned out to look like projects.
We have had 5 starting LT’s the last 2 years. FIVE.

The RB room had the least explosive plays of any RB room in the entire league. Only 17 10+ explosive plays all year. We even had some loser with an Alligator that plays FB take starting snaps

I get that it sucked losing Pacheco, Hollywood and Rashee. I understand and am not faulting Veach. The fact is that Kareem Hunt, Juju, DeAndre Hopkins and Travis Kelce are old. They aren’t explosive anymore. That was painfully clear tonight. It’s why Veach doesn’t like signing 30+ year old players unless he absolutely has to.

Again this isn’t a Veach bitch fest it’s just the facts. I think Veach is gonna take a hammer to this offense and hard after OL and explosive playmakers.

Thankfully he’s got an extra pick early thanks to Sneed

[dlphg9]

I find it funny how everyone was so excited about Nagy, because he had given Mahomes insider info before his interview. They thought Nagy was going to bring out the best in Mahomes and now there is a pretty big group that hates him lol

[PHOG]

Originally Posted by Sassy Squatch

Smith and Taylor are at least providing token resistance. Caliendos man already has Mahomes Jersey in his hand as he's winding up to throw. Not sure what point you're trying to make here.

I guess, that if Mahomes wanted to step up in the (pocket), he has no where to go, and it's hard to tell by that pick but it looks as if Smith has his arm around the defenders neck. I totally agree Caliendo shouldn't have been in there. IMO

[Sassy Squatch]

Originally Posted by dlphg9

Nagy isn't making any of the game time adjustments to this offense.

I so do love the notion that Andy Reid is doing everything all the time and the rest of the staff were hired to stand there.

****ing stupid. Of course Matt Nagy has involvement with this offense. He's been seen holding the call sheet for ****s sake.

[Sassy Squatch]

Originally Posted by dlphg9

I find it funny how everyone was so excited about Nagy, because he had given Mahomes insider info before his interview. They thought Nagy was going to bring out the best in Mahomes and now there is a pretty big group that hates him lol

Twasn't me. ****ing hated the idea, especially after the article about how shitty in particular he ended up being in Chicago was penned.

[BWillie]

The reason we havent been as good offensively is because Kelce is no longer unstoppable. Without the best TE of all time this is who Mahomes is.

[SHOWTIME]

2025 will be the most important year for Mahomes thus far. He has to have a statement season to quiet the critics. If he continues to play poorly, you can't blame the offensive line this time around.

[RunKC]

Take a guess who determined all of the playcalls on that playsheet Nagy is holding? Bc it ain’t Nagy.

Friendly reminder

Always remember who has 51% of the vote on what the Chiefs offense does, and it's not Eric Bieniemy or Patrick Mahomes.

— Matt Derrick (@mattderrick) September 25, 2022

[MahomesMagic]

Originally Posted by RunKC

Mahomes struggled massively vs cover 2 with prime Tyreek and Kelce and EB in 2021. He was “broken” per the media.

Nagy’s first year back as Mahomes QB coach in 2022 without Tyreek, Mahomes won MVP, SB MVP and had his best season as a pro.

Yes, Nagy was the QB coach not the play caller or offensive coordinator and Mahomes led the #1 offense in the NFL with JuJu and MVS as his main WR's and Kelce with Reid/Bienemy combo.


The next year Nagy was promoted and the offense has been AIDS since.

[MahomesMagic]

Originally Posted by RunKC

Take a guess who determined all of the playcalls on that playsheet Nagy is holding? Bc it ain’t Nagy.

Friendly reminder

Always remember who has 51% of the vote on what the Chiefs offense does, and it's not Eric Bieniemy or Patrick Mahomes.

— Matt Derrick (@mattderrick) September 25, 2022

That was 3 years ago.



Good old days.

[RunKC]

Originally Posted by MahomesMagic

Yes, Nagy was the QB coach not the play caller or offensive coordinator and Mahomes led the #1 offense in the NFL with JuJu and MVS as his main WR's and Kelce with Reid/Bienemy combo.


The next year Nagy was promoted and the offense has been AIDS since.

Hmm wonder if losing your WR1 (Juju), a competent LT (Orlando), your HOF TE suddenly declining (Kelce), your 2nd best receiving threat from that MVP season becoming old and broken (McKinnon) and replacing those guys with Wanya Morris, Skyy Moore/Kadarius Toney and MEH payed a part?

It’s almost as if the talent took a complete nosedive to hell

[Chris Meck]

Originally Posted by MahomesMagic

Yes, Nagy was the QB coach not the play caller or offensive coordinator and Mahomes led the #1 offense in the NFL with JuJu and MVS as his main WR's and Kelce with Reid/Bienemy combo.


The next year Nagy was promoted and the offense has been AIDS since.

Nagy is not the play caller.

[xztop123]

Originally Posted by BWillie

The reason we havent been as good offensively is because Kelce is no longer unstoppable. Without the best TE of all time this is who Mahomes is.

Kelce and offense wasn’t that good without mahomes with alex smith. Alex smith put up similar numbers elsewhere too

Mahomes had historic college numbers with no kelce

[Megatron96]

Eh, Alex was statistically the best QB in the league in 2017.


How this offense rolls this season will have a ton to do with the LT play, imo. Big question mark there. If we get solid performance from our LT, the offense will be decent, maybe even great (assuming that rice comes back 100% from his injury). The other big issue will be play-calling. Looking back over the playoffs/SB, there were a lot of questionable calls and some of the plays were poorly designed, or we had several players running bad routes. Which would go back to coaching again.

[DRM08]

Originally Posted by BWillie

The reason we havent been as good offensively is because Kelce is no longer unstoppable. Without the best TE of all time this is who Mahomes is.

And with a shitty LT situation, which is the biggest issue. There's not a QB in the world that would do very well with craptastic Left Tackle play and questionable weapons.

[DRM08]

Originally Posted by SHOWTIME

2025 will be the most important year for Mahomes thus far. He has to have a statement season to quiet the critics. If he continues to play poorly, you can't blame the offensive line this time around.

I think you still have major question marks with the Offensive Line in April 2025. You got rid of your best guy (Joe Thuney), and you now have a pretty big question mark at Left Guard. Caliendo is not the answer. Will Kingsley be able to handle it? We don't know. Time will tell. Your big money free agent signing at Left Tackle has mostly been a backup throughout his career, and he's coming from the Shanahan scheme. Who knows how Jaylon Moore will perform in Andy Reid's scheme. Hope for the best, but you never know until the games are played.

And then you have Josh Simmons, who is a massive question mark for performance due to the patellar tendon injury. It's pretty rare for guys to come back at high performance after this injury. Sure hope Simmons can overcome the odds people have mentioned on this forum. It would be really cool if Simmons can be another Correll Buckhalter, who had major success coming back from the same injury while playing for Andy Reid in Philadelphia.