Offensive struggles the last 2 years are personnel driven, not coaching

[RunKC]

Idk how anyone cannot see this.

Andy Reid stood at the combine in 2023 and said Skyy Moore and Kadarius Toney were their top WR’s. We saw how that went.

In fact, can anyone tell me without looking what WR has had the most snaps of any Chiefs WR the last 2 seasons? Anyone? Ready for it? It’s Justin Watson. Nobody has played more snaps at that position than him the last 2 years.

Don’t even get me started on the OL. A late 3rd and late 2nd on tackles are considered projects. They are not real shots at a LT historically speaking. Shocking that they turned out to look like projects.
We have had 5 starting LT’s the last 2 years. FIVE.

The RB room had the least explosive plays of any RB room in the entire league. Only 17 10+ explosive plays all year. We even had some loser with an Alligator that plays FB take starting snaps

I get that it sucked losing Pacheco, Hollywood and Rashee. I understand and am not faulting Veach. The fact is that Kareem Hunt, Juju, DeAndre Hopkins and Travis Kelce are old. They aren’t explosive anymore. That was painfully clear tonight. It’s why Veach doesn’t like signing 30+ year old players unless he absolutely has to.

Again this isn’t a Veach bitch fest it’s just the facts. I think Veach is gonna take a hammer to this offense and hard after OL and explosive playmakers.

Thankfully he’s got an extra pick early thanks to Sneed

[BWillie]

Originally Posted by xztop123

Travis Kelce gas a menial job compared to qb. He wouldn’t have ever even played in a sb if not for mahomes. It’s like saying the lady that is my receptionist is better type writer than Mahomes is qb. Who cares

I actually think you have it the other way around. Mahomes is still more important than Kelce yes. But Kelce is a tad better at his position than Mahomes is.

I don't think it is outlandish, at all, to say Mahomes would not have been to a SB or at least not won a SB had it been for Kelce.

[Easy 6]

Originally Posted by DRM08

Wouldn't make a ton of sense to pay Moore $15 million to ride the bench, haha. Feels a little bit like the Kirk Cousins, Michael Penix situation with the Falcons. Thankfully not anywhere near the amount of money involved with Jaylon Moore compared to Kirk Cousins.

Considering the well noted history of players coming back from a PT injury, I'd be totally cool with Simmons sitting this year

It gives him that extra time to iron out any potential kinks and learn our game... treat him like a prized rookie QB that you don't wanna throw straight into the fire

And yeah, get some return on the investment with Moore in the meantime

[DRM08]

Originally Posted by BWillie

And?

Of course Mahomes is better than Alex Smith. By alot.

He is not THEE best of all time though...unless he has elite Kelce by his side. Kelce is better at his position than Mahomes is at his. Although they are both elite.

I think Patrick has tunnel vision for Kelce and ignores other guys too often. The best games of Patrick's career (both college and professional) have been when he spreads the ball around to a bunch of different guys. The QB trying to force the ball to an aging, slow tight end is a very bad strategy. From that standpoint, I am looking forward to Kelce's retirement.

Not having Kelce on the field will force Patrick to simply throw to the open guy, no matter what the name is on the jersey. What other choice do you have? He had a game back in 2021 (Steelers) where Kelce didn't play at all and Tyreek barely played. Mahomes torched them by just spreading the ball around to a lot of different JAG guys:

https://www.espn.com/nfl/boxscore/_/...401326565#home

[O.city]

Originally Posted by RunKC

In 2019, Tom Brady had an old, washed Edelman, washed Demarcus Thomas (RIP), Phillip Dorsett and Josh Gordon at WR, Matt LaCrosse at TE bc Gronk retired and a train wreck known as Isaiah Wynn at LT.

He was miserable, it ruined their season and he had the fewest TD passes since 2006.

1 year later when he told Bill to **** off, he went to TB and “magically” threw 40 TD’s with a stacked offense that had Jameis Winston throw 33 the year prior.

It’s almost like talent matters and it’s a team game.

What happened in 2018?

[MahomesMagic]

Originally Posted by RunKC

Hmm wonder if losing your WR1 (Juju), a competent LT (Orlando), your HOF TE suddenly declining (Kelce), your 2nd best receiving threat from that MVP season becoming old and broken (McKinnon) and replacing those guys with Wanya Morris, Skyy Moore/Kadarius Toney and MEH payed a part?

It’s almost as if the talent took a complete nosedive to hell

Are you Nagy's son?


What is your obsession with defending him?



How many years of Mahomes prime do you propose we waste with Matt Nagy doing his thing?

[RunKC]

Originally Posted by O.city

What happened in 2018?

They had a competent LT in Trent Brown, a first ballot HOF TE (Gronk), their 2nd leading WR wasn’t cut (Gordon) and their WR3 was still there (Hogan) and didn’t lost James Develin and David Andrews to injury.

In 2019 only 1 Patriots WR in 2019 (Edelman) had at least 30 receptions.

Major OL issues as well as a lack of explosive playmakers at the skill position. That….sounds familiar.

[RunKC]

Originally Posted by MahomesMagic

Are you Nagy's son?


What is your obsession with defending him?



How many years of Mahomes prime do you propose we waste with Matt Nagy doing his thing?

We’ve been to 5 Super Bowls in 6 years wining 3. Best 3 year run in NFL history. Even with the offensive issues, saying we are “wasting Mahomes prime” is absolute lunacy.

The elite QB whose prime is being wasted resides in Buffalo

[MahomesMagic]

Originally Posted by RunKC

We’ve been to 5 Super Bowls in 6 years wining 3. Best 3 year run in NFL history. Even with the offensive issues, saying we are “wasting Mahomes prime” is absolute lunacy.

The elite QB whose prime is being wasted resides in Buffalo

Yes, credit Nagy for years when he wasn't the OC is one way to improve morale.

Under Nagy as OC we "went to a SB" because we had an elite defense and Patrick Mahomes made it work.

Still, not scoring a TD in 15-16 STRAIGHT drives in the AFC Championship and Super Bowl shows how much a drag Nagy is on the team.

This year in the playoffs offense was awful in 2 out of 3 games and was good against Buffalo. But even's Nagy's spread them out they can't cover it all works against McDermott's stale zone D.


I would prefer to make it easier on our QB, not harder.

[Rausch]

Originally Posted by MahomesMagic

I would prefer to make it easier on our QB, not harder.

Then run the ****ing football and don't ask him to throw 40 times a game.

[xztop123]

I think Simmons plays mid season. I’d probably be ok with him even playing rt but another topic altogether

[RunKC]

Originally Posted by MahomesMagic

I would prefer to make it easier on our QB, not harder.

So would the Chiefs, which is they drafted Josh Simmons to fix the biggest problem on offense: the QB getting beaten to the ground all game when it matters.

[Bl00dyBizkitz]

Originally Posted by MahomesMagic

Yes, credit Nagy for years when he wasn't the OC is one way to improve morale.

Under Nagy as OC we "went to a SB" because we had an elite defense and Patrick Mahomes made it work.

Still, not scoring a TD in 15-16 STRAIGHT drives in the AFC Championship and Super Bowl shows how much a drag Nagy is on the team.

This year in the playoffs offense was awful in 2 out of 3 games and was good against Buffalo. But even's Nagy's spread them out they can't cover it all works against McDermott's stale zone D.


I would prefer to make it easier on our QB, not harder.

I dont think anyone is crediting Nagy, dude.

[MahomesMagic]

Originally Posted by Bl00dyBizkitz

I dont think anyone is crediting Nagy, dude.

Run KC loves Nagy Ball.


Watching a Super Bowl where Eagles DB's were waiting for our WR's because the playcalling was so stale and predictable.

Zero real adjustments till the game was out of hand.

[RunKC]

Originally Posted by Bl00dyBizkitz

I dont think anyone is crediting Nagy, dude.

Kid is a bandwagon fan who doesn’t understand that Andy Reid runs this team not Nagy or anybody else. It’s hilarious hearing how Nagy apparently threw Andy in a closet and took over playcalling

Kid isn’t a Chiefs fan. As soon as Mahomes retires he’s gone.

Most people know what has ruined the offense. Thankfully the Chiefs addressed it in the draft.

The Chiefs offense is panifully slow.

Travis Kelce, JuJu Smith-Schuster, Kareem Hunt and DeAndre Hopkins turned this offense into dust.

It's time for KC to do a full rebuild on offense. https://t.co/k2p9ID5bpv

— Marcus Mosher (@Marcus_Mosher) February 10, 2025

[fuzzy]

Originally Posted by RunKC

Idk how anyone cannot see this.

Andy Reid stood at the combine in 2023 and said Skyy Moore and Kadarius Toney were their top WR’s. We saw how that went.

In fact, can anyone tell me without looking what WR has had the most snaps of any Chiefs WR the last 2 seasons? Anyone? Ready for it? It’s Justin Watson. Nobody has played more snaps at that position than him the last 2 years.

Don’t even get me started on the OL. A late 3rd and late 2nd on tackles are considered projects. They are not real shots at a LT historically speaking. Shocking that they turned out to look like projects.
We have had 5 starting LT’s the last 2 years. FIVE.

The RB room had the least explosive plays of any RB room in the entire league. Only 17 10+ explosive plays all year. We even had some loser with an Alligator that plays FB take starting snaps

I get that it sucked losing Pacheco, Hollywood and Rashee. I understand and am not faulting Veach. The fact is that Kareem Hunt, Juju, DeAndre Hopkins and Travis Kelce are old. They aren’t explosive anymore. That was painfully clear tonight. It’s why Veach doesn’t like signing 30+ year old players unless he absolutely has to.

Again this isn’t a Veach bitch fest it’s just the facts. I think Veach is gonna take a hammer to this offense and hard after OL and explosive playmakers.

Thankfully he’s got an extra pick early thanks to Sneed

I agree with you. Andy is old at this point, but I don't think he's lost his touch yet. I still think he's got a few more seasons of magic left in his brain.

The issue is personnel like you said. Specifically, it is the Left Tackle spot. You can't function properly on offense with arguably the worst starting LT in the NFL. We didn't want to pay for Trent Williams so this is what we get. He was there. Veach didn't think Williams was worth it. Well he then went on to have three All Pro 1 seasons after Veach turned him down.

Trent called your bluff Veach.