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tk13 · 01-18-2005, 02:28 AM

http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansas...s/10668159.htm

Vermeil: Defensive coaches staying

By ADAM TEICHER The Kansas City Star

Despite pressure to improve a defense that finished next to last in yards allowed, Chiefs coach Dick Vermeil said Monday that he will make no changes to his defensive staff.

Vermeil was encouraged by president/general manager Carl Peterson to make some moves, particularly at defensive back. Peter Giunta and Vernon Dean coached a secondary that allowed more passing yards than any other NFL team.

Vermeil took the two weeks since the Chiefs' season-ending loss in San Diego to ponder changes. He returned to his Arrowhead Stadium office Monday, saying that while all of his assistants would be welcome to return, he also expected better results next season.

“The only way any football coach is evaluated is on how many games they won,” Vermeil said. “Since we won only seven games, everybody on this staff, including me, is evaluated as below average. An 8-8 record would have meant we were average.”

Although the Chiefs played poorly on defense since he joined the Chiefs in 2001, Vermeil has remained steadfastly loyal to his assistants. He resisted pressure from Peterson to replace coordinator Greg Robinson two years ago.

The only defensive staff changes were made last year when Vermeil accepted Robinson's resignation and linebackers coach Joe Vitt left for the Rams.

Giunta and Dean are under scrutiny after many of the defensive backs had poor seasons. The play of safeties Greg Wesley and Jerome Woods slipped noticeably. Young cornerbacks William Bartee and Julian Battle failed to develop into reliable players.

Vermeil said his coaches weren't to blame.

“Peter Giunta is no more guilty now than he was 100 percent responsible for the Super Bowl championship defense and the secondary he coached with the Rams,” Vermeil said. “They coached the players we give them to coach to the best of their ability. Do I blame them if a guy blows a coverage or breaks down fundamentally? No.

“If I thought they were doing a poor job of that, I would handle that. But I don't think that's true.”

Vermeil last year replaced Robinson with Gunther Cunningham and Vitt with Fred Pagac, but otherwise made few changes to defensive personnel. The Chiefs were even worse defensively. They allowed 103 more points and 330 additional yards and forced 17 fewer turnovers.

The Chiefs would have a second offensive staff departure if quarterback coach Jason Verduzco departs. He is a candidate to become offensive coordinator on Robinson's staff at Syracuse, where he recently became head coach.

Tight-ends coach Keith Rowen left two weeks ago to become offensive coordinator for the Arizona Cardinals. He is replaced by Terry Shea, a former Chiefs assistant who spent one year with Chicago.

htismaqe · 01-18-2005, 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by The Bad Guy

But they treat the media like scum if they say one bad thing about the Chiefs, which is why I think the media in KC is too light on the FO, Peterson and Vermeil.

Look at 810's relationship with Peterson as a prime example before Vermeil came along.

I don't think the KC media is AT ALL "too light" on the Chiefs.

But I think the KK's and Jack Harry's make such stupid arguments that the average "informed" fan automatically dismisses them as assinine.

We need REAL, hard-nosed, and INFORMED media calling out the Chiefs. Petro would be just the guy, but for some reason he's pretty neutral when he's not defending Carl Peterson...

**The Bad Guy** · 01-18-2005, 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

I don't think the KC media is AT ALL "too light" on the Chiefs.

But I think the KK's and Jack Harry's make such stupid arguments that the average "informed" fan automatically dismisses them as assinine.

We need REAL, hard-nosed, and INFORMED media calling out the Chiefs. Petro would be just the guy, but for some reason he's pretty neutral when he's not defending Carl Peterson...

I think KC has a couple of tougha sses, but they are tough asses just to get ratings on the radio. They willl go against the grain just to be different.

Whitlock is the only one who will call a spade a spade.

I hope the Star grabs someone from Philly to come cover the Chiefs - that would cause Bob Moore and the rest of the PR spindoctors they have in the FO to have a heart attack.

We need someone to call Vermeil's bullshit when he starts talking about Peter Guinta and how tough the schedule is instead of a reporter that will gobble his knob just for 15 seconds of his time.

Frankie · 01-18-2005, 04:02 PM

What's with this mentality that there is always only one thing wrong? Last year they thought it was the DC and NOT the players. This year they think it's only the players and NOT the coaches? Could a car have engine trouble AND flat tires too? FIX EVERYTHING DV!!

htismaqe · 01-18-2005, 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by The Bad Guy

I think KC has a couple of tougha sses, but they are tough asses just to get ratings on the radio. They willl go against the grain just to be different.

Whitlock is the only one who will call a spade a spade.

I hope the Star grabs someone from Philly to come cover the Chiefs - that would cause Bob Moore and the rest of the PR spindoctors they have in the FO to have a heart attack.

We need someone to call Vermeil's bullshit when he starts talking about Peter Guinta and how tough the schedule is instead of a reporter that will gobble his knob just for 15 seconds of his time.

Exactly.

Negative for negativity's sake. Not because it's warranted.

When it's warranted (Greg Robinson last year was a perfect example) they are SILENT.

DTLB58 · 01-18-2005, 04:34 PM

Yawn, another career day defense for 2005

Hammock Parties · 01-18-2005, 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by The Bad Guy

We need someone to call Vermeil's bullshit when he starts talking about Peter Guinta and how tough the schedule is instead of a reporter that will gobble his knob just for 15 seconds of his time.

Please submit your application to the Star.

Calcountry · 01-18-2005, 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by KcMizzou

I'm a homer by nature, but I agree. We've got to do something... anything. If they pull off a big FA move or two, at least I'll feel like they tried. This is really getting depressing. We'll see...

I am afraid that DV is loyal to a fault, and has thrown down the gauntlet to Carl.

Something like, if I can't have the coaches that I want, then I am the first to go.

Well, Dick, just go.

**The Bad Guy** · 01-18-2005, 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by GoatCheese

Please submit your application to the Star.

I would gladly.

I just don't know how my fiancee would feel about living in KC.

Calcountry · 01-18-2005, 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Phobia

The handle is "Phobia", not Donger, dude. I have no hygiene issues.

Calcountry · 01-18-2005, 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Ali Chi3fs

Parcells, Walsh, Belichek...

If we could coax Walsh out of retirement, that might be interesting.

Calcountry · 01-18-2005, 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Ali Chi3fs

yeah but if we traded our defense for theirs, we would be complaining about how old our defense is.

bah dum- pah....ching

It would still be an improvement.

Calcountry · 01-18-2005, 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Dartgod

I was very disappointed to hear this on the news this morning. My wife and I are this close >< to saying FU to Carl and Dick and not renew our season tickets.

Put the money into an IRA every year.

Calcountry · 01-18-2005, 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by tomahawk kid

Firing is too good for this gray haired old fuck.

His complete lack of respect and accountability to and for this franchise, along with its fans, deserves a savage fucking beating and a one way ticket back to his p#ssy a$$ ranch in PA.

He's done absolutely nothing for this organization.

And to think I was excited when he landed here. This fuck is more worried about his "friends" on the coaching staff than winning a championship - its that simple. I'm glad that we've become a haven for the "limber dick club" of NFL coaches. It really makes me want to go out and pay even more cash for tickets and merchandise (sarcasm).

The sooner we get "Dick" and his loser buddy Carl out of this town, the better.

What a complete b!tch.

Well spoken.

suds79 · 01-18-2005, 05:24 PM

I was dissapointed in hearing this but I've about all given up on next year so I guess it doesn't hurt so much.

1st the Carl statement on giving the guys another year and now this with DV. Is there any doubt that our defense will be 25th or higher in the league next year? I really can't see it being any different.

DV is overrated and he's full of crap.

I remember when he 1st got here. "When you're 7-9 nobody's job is safe" and he cleaned house.

Now he has his guys in place an nobody's moving.

He'd rather play buddies rather than do what's best for the team.

DV.

Calcountry · 01-18-2005, 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by DaWolf

OK fine Dick, then if this is the case, admit that you guys were dumbasses for sticking with Bartee and drafting Battle and go out and get new corners if these guys are such excellent coaches.

And here I was thinking that a coach is SUPPOSED to teach fundamentals and get his lessons across in a way where the guy won't be breaking down fundamentally time and time again. I guess this is an admission that this is the DUMBEST group of DB's in the history of the league too.

I'm sure he also wasn't responsible for the last place defense the Rams fielded the very next year either, once John Bunting left as the co-defensive coordinator. At least Martz had the balls to get rid of the guy.

All I know is this: in 1999 the Rams front office stepped in and forced Vermeil's hand to change his staff. Since Carl isn't doing the same thing here and forcing Vermeil's hand, it is ultimately Carl's responsibility. So Carl, you damn well better have the offseason of your life and get these brilliant coaches some players, otherwise you're gonna be sending your dream coach home with a broken legacy instead of riding off into the sunset...

Bros, I think the truth is DV is on the down low with all of his coaches.

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tk13 ... Join Date: Nov 2001 Casino cash: $-1677500	Teicher: No changes in defensive coaching staff http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansas...s/10668159.htm Vermeil: Defensive coaches staying By ADAM TEICHER The Kansas City Star Despite pressure to improve a defense that finished next to last in yards allowed, Chiefs coach Dick Vermeil said Monday that he will make no changes to his defensive staff. Vermeil was encouraged by president/general manager Carl Peterson to make some moves, particularly at defensive back. Peter Giunta and Vernon Dean coached a secondary that allowed more passing yards than any other NFL team. Vermeil took the two weeks since the Chiefs' season-ending loss in San Diego to ponder changes. He returned to his Arrowhead Stadium office Monday, saying that while all of his assistants would be welcome to return, he also expected better results next season. “The only way any football coach is evaluated is on how many games they won,” Vermeil said. “Since we won only seven games, everybody on this staff, including me, is evaluated as below average. An 8-8 record would have meant we were average.” Although the Chiefs played poorly on defense since he joined the Chiefs in 2001, Vermeil has remained steadfastly loyal to his assistants. He resisted pressure from Peterson to replace coordinator Greg Robinson two years ago. The only defensive staff changes were made last year when Vermeil accepted Robinson's resignation and linebackers coach Joe Vitt left for the Rams. Giunta and Dean are under scrutiny after many of the defensive backs had poor seasons. The play of safeties Greg Wesley and Jerome Woods slipped noticeably. Young cornerbacks William Bartee and Julian Battle failed to develop into reliable players. Vermeil said his coaches weren't to blame. “Peter Giunta is no more guilty now than he was 100 percent responsible for the Super Bowl championship defense and the secondary he coached with the Rams,” Vermeil said. “They coached the players we give them to coach to the best of their ability. Do I blame them if a guy blows a coverage or breaks down fundamentally? No. “If I thought they were doing a poor job of that, I would handle that. But I don't think that's true.” Vermeil last year replaced Robinson with Gunther Cunningham and Vitt with Fred Pagac, but otherwise made few changes to defensive personnel. The Chiefs were even worse defensively. They allowed 103 more points and 330 additional yards and forced 17 fewer turnovers. The Chiefs would have a second offensive staff departure if quarterback coach Jason Verduzco departs. He is a candidate to become offensive coordinator on Robinson's staff at Syracuse, where he recently became head coach. Tight-ends coach Keith Rowen left two weeks ago to become offensive coordinator for the Arizona Cardinals. He is replaced by Terry Shea, a former Chiefs assistant who spent one year with Chicago.
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suds79 MVP Join Date: Sep 2000 Casino cash: $10005036	I was dissapointed in hearing this but I've about all given up on next year so I guess it doesn't hurt so much. 1st the Carl statement on giving the guys another year and now this with DV. Is there any doubt that our defense will be 25th or higher in the league next year? I really can't see it being any different. DV is overrated and he's full of crap. I remember when he 1st got here. "When you're 7-9 nobody's job is safe" and he cleaned house. Now he has his guys in place an nobody's moving. He'd rather play buddies rather than do what's best for the team. DV.
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