This not a revamped D, DV has as much to do with it than you care to admit!

[chiefsfan1963]

Last time I checked the majority of the players on D were here last year.

Given that DV was not here this past off season, you can't predict which players he would or wouldn't have drafted. Also CP would have had input so Hali probably would have been drafted and potential the other rookies that made the roster as well.

Law would have also been pursued and acquired given our prospects in being a playoff team.

The D was a work in progress and DV was big part of it.

Now that he and AS are gone all their naysayers are coming out claiming the D is great now they are gone. Not fair.

I'm happy the D is finally turned the corner, but don't give all the credit to Herm. Give his DV some credit for leaving some kind of solid base to work from.

Unfortunately, DV and AS left with our O's keys and we can't get it out of the garage.

If DV/AS were still here we would be 2-0 going into our bye week.

[Logical]

Originally Posted by keg in kc

You can shoot all the conjecture you want about who we would have drafted, but the fact remains that none of them would have seen the field. Vermeil did not play rookies. Period. So even if he was on the roster, Hali would not have started; Hicks would have. ...

Keg, I am pretty sure DJ played last year as rookie every game. Not sure I follow this point.

[Valiant]

Originally Posted by Logical

Keg, I am pretty sure DJ played last year as rookie every game. Not sure I follow this point.

I think DJ was the exception not the rule, Unfortunatly there was no one better then DJ on why he got so much playing time... Hell during todays game they were talking about how he said he was lost and slow because he did not know the plays but now he does so he can go full speed agian...(paraphrased)

If DV was still here Hicks would be starting and we would not have our interior Linemen REed and edwards playing... The fact with Herm is the best players will start and get the playing time opposed to hoping that your starters will come around(warfield,hicks,woods) to their potential...

[Logical]

Originally Posted by Valiant

I think DJ was the exception not the rule, Unfortunatly there was no one better then DJ on why he got so much playing time... Hell during todays game they were talking about how he said he was lost and slow because he did not know the plays but now he does so he can go full speed agian...(paraphrased)

If DV was still here Hicks would be starting and we would not have our interior Linemen REed and edwards playing... The fact with Herm is the best players will start and get the playing time opposed to hoping that your starters will come around(warfield,hicks,woods) to their potential...

Hey DV frustrated me with his loyalty to some veterans as much as anyone else. I just thought that statement was not factually correct. I also think with Hicks having an injured shoulder Hali would probably be starting this year, but probably some of the other rookies would not be getting the chance they are getting this year.

[Spicy McHaggis]

Originally Posted by chiefsfan1963

If Trent Green was healthy and Willie Roaf didn't retire we would be 2-0 going into our bye week.

Fixed your post.

[ChiefFan31]

I think I should have thought out my screen name a little more.

[Bwana]

[old_geezer]

Have you bothered to watch Al Saunders offense in Washington this year? Hell, their playcalling was far worse than KC's, esp. last night. DV/AS are gone and that's not really a bad thing. I was proud of our defense yesterday for the first time in a loooong, loooong time.

[jspchief]

Originally Posted by Logical

Hey DV frustrated me with his loyalty to some veterans as much as anyone else. I just thought that statement was not factually correct. I also think with Hicks having an injured shoulder Hali would probably be starting this year, but probably some of the other rookies would not be getting the chance they are getting this year.

The statement may not be a 100% factually correct, but the basic premise is spot on. Vermeil did not like to play rookies. He openly admitted as much plenty of times.

Vermeil may have been present for the drafting of some of these guys, but I'm not sure I'm willing to give him much credit for this defense. At best, it's taken 6 years to get a defense in here (if we're for real this year) so even if Vermeil shares some of the credit, he shares even more of the blame for it taking as long as it did.

[CupidStunt]

Edwards: Hali, Edwards, Reed, playing Page, Ty Law, good scheme that limits big plays.

Vermeil: Ryan Sims, Siavii, Kendrell Bell, schemes that bend over to the passing game.

[htismaqe]

We should have given DV a few more years.

Evidently FIVE YEARS OF CONTINUOUS FAILURE wasn't enough to convince some people...

[hawkchief]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

We should have given DV a few more years.

Evidently FIVE YEARS OF CONTINUOUS FAILURE wasn't enough to convince some people...

And SEVENTEEN YEARS OF CONTINUOUS FAILURE by our GM, Carl Peterson isn't enough to convince some people either.

[Archie Bunker]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

We should have given DV a few more years.

Evidently FIVE YEARS OF CONTINUOUS FAILURE wasn't enough to convince some people...

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by hawkchief

And SEVENTEEN YEARS OF CONTINUOUS FAILURE by our GM, Carl Peterson isn't enough to convince some people either.

Like who?

You'd be hard-pressed to find even ONE person here that likes Carl Peterson.

Some of us are just smart enough to know he's not the root of all evil...

[NJ Chief Fan]

yea DV was resposible for this defense did you see how many sacks had yesterday i cant even count them on my hand WOW, or how many times siavii stuffed the run HOLY SHIT DV THANKS FOR PUTTING TOGETHER THIS DEFENSE

[Archie F. Swin]

Originally Posted by chiefsfan1963

If DV/AS were still here we would be 2-0 going into our bye week.

So
DV=Roaf
AS=Welbourne?