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Old 02-03-2007, 01:55 PM  
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Charlie Sanders making the HOF is a fraud
He was a very good player, but no where near in the class of other HOF that have been elected through the normal (non-old timers) process.

In fantasy points, his highest year of production placed him 31st in the league.

One of the questioners just said "You obviously revolutionized the TE positon..." Has anyone EVER heard that said of Charlie Sanders before today?

I don't think the old timers committee serves any useful purpose for players that played after 1970. It just puts in people who don't belong.
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Old 02-04-2007, 12:10 AM   #16
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Old 02-04-2007, 01:24 AM   #17
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The problem here is that people who never saw this guy play or maybe never even heard of the guy are evaluating him based on what they looked up on profootballreference.com.

The TE has not always been about catching passes. It's subjective. It's like, how would you argue one offensive lineman over another if both were from the 60s or 70s? If you were born in the 70s or later, then you couldn't pretend to because there are no stats to look up. It's subjective.
The thing is, I was an NFL fan back then. I remember hundereds of players from the '70s. Charlie Sanders, yes, I remember him, but not as a dominant player. At all. Jackie Smith, I remember as being a better TE. I remember thinking, "How could such a good TE drop such an easy pass" (answer, he was washed up for three year prior to dropping the big one).

One reporter today said he revolutionized the TE position. Do a Google search on "Charlie Sanders" and "revolutionized". 59 hits. Do the same search for Kellen Winslow and you get 499. Should a player get to the HOF by being 1/10 the influence of another HOFer?

What I think. He's worked in the Lion's organization ever since retiring. He's a good citizen. Good for him. Does that make him a HOFer? I think the Lions launched a huge PR campaign with the Old Timer's committee and got him the nomination. The voters seem to rubber stamp those guys the last few years. It is a travesty and cheapens the whole HOF.

You can't bullshit in the information age.
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Old 02-04-2007, 01:33 AM   #18
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Haven't yet but have been meaning to. Sealab guys make it right? Any good?
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Haven't yet but have been meaning to. Sealab guys make it right? Any good?
Sealab is a great barometer for it...if you liked that you will like it. Some great parts...great moments...a few episodes are stinkers...the timing and dialouge are excellent.
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Old 02-04-2007, 01:46 AM   #22
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Hall of Famers (TE) (Just a Couple Examples)

Charlie Sanders (HOF) - 118 Games, 336 Receptions, 4817 Yards, 31 TDs

Kellen Winslow (HOF) - 109 Games, 541 Receptions, 6741 Yards, 45 TDs

Dave Casper (HOF) - 147 Games, 378 Reception, 5216 Yards, 52 TDs
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Comparing Stats should be a Hall of Famer

Mark Bavaro - 126 Games, 351 Receptions, 4733 Yards, 39 TDs

Kyle Brady - 182 Games, 334 Receptions, 3449 Yards, 23 TDs (maybe)
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On Pace to be a Hall of Famer, If Comparing Stats to HOF TE's

Antonio Gates - 61 Games, 265 Receptions, 3378 Yards, 34 TDs

Todd Heap - 82 Games, 316 Receptions, 3658 Yards, 26 TDs

Alge Crumpler - 94 Games, 274 Receptions, 3768 Yards, 30 TDs
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First Ballot Hall of Famer

Tony Gonzalez - 158 Games, 721 Receptions, 8710 Yards, 61 TDs
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Okay, we all know that TG is a first ballot HOFer, but can we honestly say that Gates, Heap, and Crumpler are Hall of Famers? If they have continued success as they are now sure, but if they drop off and still have comparable numbers what then?

Bavaro needs to be a HOFer, and maybe Kyle Brady. I added Brady because he played 184 games, which is amazing.
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Sealab is a great barometer for it...if you liked that you will like it. Some great parts...great moments...a few episodes are stinkers...the timing and dialouge are excellent.
Nice sounds like Sealab. Weak at times but when its on, its on.
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