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Old 12-02-2007, 11:04 PM  
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Tony Gonzalez opens up on Herm with both barrels
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Chiefs can’t come back against Chargers
By ADAM TEICHER
The Kansas City Star

The Chiefs lost their ability to make enough plays to win close games some time ago. They ran out of explanations shortly afterward.

Now they’re just plain out of gas. They trailed by a mere touchdown for most of the second half of Sunday’s game against San Diego at Arrowhead Stadium, but they might have played until midnight without getting that elusive tying score.

So they wound up losing 24-10, and the defeat pushed the 4-8 Chiefs to the brink of extinction in what passes for a race in the AFC West. They’re officially done if they lose to the Broncos in Denver next week.

The Chiefs tried their usual formula — keep things close until the fourth quarter and make the plays to win it then. It worked for them earlier in the season but again failed on Sunday when they were shut out in the final quarter for the fourth straight game.

“I’m tired of it and don’t want to play this style of football,” Chiefs tight end Tony Gonzalez said. “It’s not what I’m into. I don’t think Herm (Edwards) wants to. We want to win. Let’s get it over with. I don’t want to keep the game close until the second half because we’re a second-half team. That’s bull. Let’s just go out there and win a football game.

“Let’s get rid of that stress. I’m tired of it. I’m sitting on the sideline thinking, ‘Here we go again.’ You can’t help but let those thoughts creep into your mind.”

That crisis of confidence was evident Sunday. Their seven-point deficit for most of the second half felt to them like a lot more.

Things got so bad for the offense that its only touchdown was scored by defensive end Jared Allen, who played on the goal-line ostensibly for blocking purposes. And Allen had to make a great catch of Damon Huard’s fade pass to do it.

“When you’re desperate,” Edwards said, “you do desperate things.”

Edwards hasn’t been desperate enough to change his philosophy on how to win. He defended it again Sunday, saying it’s the only way the Chiefs have a chance.

“We made plays (to win some early-season games),” Edwards said, referring to wins over Minnesota, San Diego and Oakland, all games the Chiefs salvaged in the fourth quarter. “That’s how we won.

“We have to play a certain way. We try to do that to protect the quarterback and make sure we can throw the ball. You have all of these fancy ideas there at the end and there are certain things we’re stuck with because of how we have to play.

“That’s OK. You can still win games that way. We just can’t get behind like that because that just puts you in a bad, bad way.”

The burden of keeping the game close fell to the defense, which again caved in. LaDainian Tomlinson rushed for 117 yards and two touchdowns in the second half.

“We know they’re going to make plays, realistically,” Allen said. “But to (heck) with that. Our mind-set has to be that they won’t make any plays. When stuff like that becomes acceptable, and all of a sudden you find yourself saying, ‘Oh, here we go again,’ that’s when the same (stuff) happens. That’s what’s been happening.

“We need to change the mind-set around here. The mind-set has got to be that this is not acceptable to lose at home. It’s not acceptable to be 10-10 at halftime and lose 24-10.”

The marvel regarding the Chiefs is not the five-game losing streak, their longest since 2000, or the five Arrowhead losses, most since they also lost five in 2001.

It’s that with this team — even with its numerous and obvious flaws — they won four of five games earlier in the season.

“Even then, we had some issues,” guard Brian Waters said. “When you look at games like Chicago and Houston, we had a couple of opportunities to come back in those games as well.

“We’ve started slowly in some parts of the season and now we’re not finishing the way we were. Really, we’re just trying to find a complete game.”
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Old 12-02-2007, 11:16 PM   #16
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How is it "opening up" on Herm when he says "I don't want to play this style of football and I don't think Herm wants to"? Isn't that opening up on Solari?

Of course. Although, Herm is next. His offensive philosophy sucks. He needs to be force fed an OC that is established, and has a history of success.
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Old 12-02-2007, 11:16 PM   #17
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Generally, I applaud this, but today - I didn't see where Herm killed us. We got killed by poor execution on offense. They were throwing the ball a lot today, though. I thought they looked a lot less conservative this week.
This is true..but Anti-Herms won't let him off the hook for losing this game. Damn him..and his inability to block or throw the ball..or catch it for that matter.

It's fairly obvious Herm has one of the most talented offenses in the league...he just can't coach.
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Old 12-02-2007, 11:17 PM   #18
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Uh no, this is Herms offense... Solari is just a martyr... Herm has been down this road a many of times. He will fire Solari and next year the offense is the same.

Same thing the NYJ fans went through...
Yep.

I am really hoping Clark grows some balls and cleans house but I am not expecting that
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Old 12-02-2007, 11:18 PM   #19
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Generally, I applaud this, but today - I didn't see where Herm killed us. We got killed by poor execution on offense. They were throwing the ball a lot today, though. I thought they looked a lot less conservative this week.
Maybe because this offense has went through 12 weeks of Herm showing no faith or trust in them, giving them absolutely zero confidence to succeed..

I have never seen a coach bash his own team and not stand up and give them the opportunities to show faith and trust in his own team...

Herm has killed this offense single handly, not injuries.. Not one person on this offense actually believes in Herm. How could you?
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Old 12-02-2007, 11:18 PM   #20
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Tony should go to Carl Peterson and tell him he's going to retire RIGHT NOW unless the Chiefs fire Herm Edwards and all his pathetic coaches, INCLUDING THAT MORON GUNTHER, and bring in someone else. I bet that would get Carl's attention real fast. And maybe Tony could get Larry Johnson, Derrick Johnson and Jared Allen to go in with him on the deal.
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This is true..but Anti-Herms won't let me off the hook for losing this game. Damn him..and his inability to block or throw the ball..or catch it for that matter.

It's fairly obvious Herm has one of the most talented offenses in the league...he just can't coach.
I look at it very simply if Herm knew going into the season that our O-Line was going to suck then it is his fault for not trying to fix it. If he didn't know then everyone should question what the **** was he looking at during practice.
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This thread is exactly why this board is almost unreadable anymore.
Tk give us your take.

Also the shit we have seen from this O-Line is the same shit I saw during pre-season damn we got some stupid mother****ers running this team.
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This is true..but Anti-Herms won't let me off the hook for losing this game. Damn him..and his inability to block or throw the ball..or catch it for that matter.

It's fairly obvious Herm has one of the most talented offenses in the league...he just can't coach.
Strange? I see where you are coming from...

But if that was the case, how come Herms teams go through this regularly and he cant keep a OC longer than 2 years?

What is the difference in our offense now, than the NYJ's offense during Herms tenure? According to my NYJ friends and games I have watched from Herms tenure there. It is the same exact offense.

The guy just refuses to change with the times, accepts zero responsibility for his team or coaching decisions, talks down to the media and fans, cant coach his self out of a wet paper sack. I just cant defend the moron.. No way no how... The guy has zero credibility and deserves no respect for throwing his team under the bus.
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No, I won't.
Everyone has their breaking point, man. I was in Herm's corner for a long time, longer than most. I suspect you'll join our merry band when the Chiefs start out 0-2 or 1-3 again next year.
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