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Old 05-28-2008, 04:44 PM  
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Final / 10 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9
10
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H
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MIN (27-25) 0 0 2 0 0 0 1 0 5
1
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11
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KC (21-32) 1 0 2 3 0 0 2 0 0
0
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16
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Livan Hernandez 6IP 8R 6ER 0BB 2K
Juan Rincon 1IP 0R 0ER 0BB 0K
Bobby Korecky 1.1IP 0R 0ER 0BB 0K
Dennys Reyes 0.1IP 0R 0ER 0BB 0K
Win, (3-2) Jesse Crain 0.1IP 0R 0ER 0BB 0K
Save, (14) Joe Nathan 1IP 0R 0ER 0BB 0K

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Zack Greinke 8IP 3R 3ER 2BB 8K
Ramon Ramirez 0.2IP 4R 4ER 0BB 2K
Blown Save, (1); Loss, (0-2) Joel Peralta 1.1IP 2R 2ER 0BB 0K

Starting Lineups

MIN

1. Carlos Gomez, CF
2. Alexi Casilla, 2B
2. Craig Monroe, ph
2. Matt Macri, 2B
3. Joe Mauer, C
4. Justin Morneau, 1B
5. Michael Cuddyer, RF
6. Jason Kubel, DH
7. Delmon Young, LF
8. Mike Lamb, 3B
9. Brendan Harris, SS

KC

1. Davis DeJesus, RF
1. Ross Gload, ph/RF
2. Joey Gathright, CF
3. Alex Gordon, 3B
4. Jose Guillen, LF
5. Miguel Olivo, C
6. Mark Teahen, 1B
7. Billy Butler, DH
8. Alberto Callaspo, 2B
9. Tony Pena Jr, SS
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Old 05-28-2008, 08:11 PM   #61
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That goes along with our discussion about scoring, al. That's an error, IMO, but it gets scored a hit and an earned run. Not that I'm complaining as a Royals fan. But I don't think Livan Hernandez feels the same way.
generally, the infielders get almost no slack at all, to the point where its only an infield hit if no human being on the planet could reliably make the play. However, outfielders are given EVERY benefit of the doubt. It has to be a blooper reel play for an outfielder to get a fielding error.
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Old 05-28-2008, 08:11 PM   #62
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That goes along with our discussion about scoring, al. That's an error, IMO, but it gets scored a hit and an earned run. Not that I'm complaining as a Royals fan. But I don't think Livan Hernandez feels the same way.
He didn't get a glove on it (at least it didn't look like it on my 3 inch tv here in the studio....), that's often the line of demarcation.

You'd never have inside the park homers if goofy plays like that were considered errors...
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Old 05-28-2008, 08:14 PM   #63
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Sorry young Buck, but Olivo needs to be our starting catcher.
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Old 05-28-2008, 08:14 PM   #64
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Sorry young Buck, but Olivo needs to be our starting catcher.
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and as a weird theoretical exercise, if we would have scored that double as an error, then Olivo's single would have probably made that 1st run still count as earned.
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Sorry young Buck, but Olivo needs to be our starting catcher.
I agree.
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He didn't get a glove on it (at least it didn't look like it on my 3 inch tv here in the studio....), that's often the line of demarcation.

You'd never have inside the park homers if goofy plays like that were considered errors...
You're right - he didn't get close to it. I just think that was a pretty routine play to make, but I can see the relative logic of calling it a hit.

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generally, the infielders get almost no slack at all, to the point where its only an infield hit if no human being on the planet could reliably make the play. However, outfielders are given EVERY benefit of the doubt. It has to be a blooper reel play for an outfielder to get a fielding error.
All part of the beauty of baseball. You can get in these discussions and sometimes the scorer bears you out and other times not.
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8th inning
Top 8th

Casilla grounds out to second
Mauer flies out to left
Morneau flies out to left

0 runs, 0 hits

Bottom 8th

Bobby Korecky relieves Rincon

Callaspo hits an infield single to shortstop
Pena Jr reaches on a 1-6 fielder's choice, Callaspo out at second

Ross Gload bats for DeJesus

Gload grounds into a 1-6-3 double play, Pena Jr out at second

0 runs, 1 hit
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All part of the beauty of baseball. You can get in these discussions and sometimes the scorer bears you out and other times not.
And of course you gotta be some kind of sick uber-nerd to care about those finer scoring details. I obviously plead guilty and carry my nerd-card with pride.
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and as a weird theoretical exercise, if we would have scored that double as an error, then Olivo's single would have probably made that 1st run still count as earned.
You're right, but that logic makes my head hurt.
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I just think that was a pretty routine play to make
Like I said right after it happened, this is some of the worst outfield play I've seen.

(Not long after that, a guy tried to throw Gordon out at home, which was, to me at least, another bad fundamental play...)
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ok Trey, we all like Zack, but if anybody gets on base at all, he's gotta come out. We dont really need 120+ pitches from him to beat the Twins tonight.
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