Chiefs BRC is no longer a "real" fan. - Page 2

**BigRedChief** · 06-09-2008, 03:42 PM

Edited version of my email to the chiefs........................

After being on the season ticket waiting list for 4 years I finally became a season ticket holder in 1996. Back then 3 season tickets cost me $1,113. This year’s bill was $2,604. By the time you tally in parking, gas to and from the games the yearly bill easily exceeds $3,000. That doesn’t even include tailgating supplies or anything bought inside the stadium. With that kind of money I could plan a major family vacation, house improvements, and provide additional funds for college etc.etc. Spending $3,000 for something that has lost its value just doesn’t make sense to me anymore.

I’m sure that the season ticket prices will continue to go up at a rate higher than inflation and with the re-opening of the “new” Arrowhead really escalate in price. I’m not having a financial hardship. I’m still way over paid for the work that I do. There is no reason to doubt that in the future that my pay scale will continue upward. So I can afford the season tickets even the club level seats if I so chose to do so. It’s just that I don’t think it’s a good value for my family anymore.

When I have to pay for 2 pre-season games (close to $500.00) that are glorified practices it reduces the value of being a season ticket holder. I’m now unable to sell my tickets at face value to anyone. Sometimes I can’t even give them away for free. That decreases the value of being a season ticket holder.

When I try to upgrade my seats to a better location I’m told that there are no real upgrades available. I feel this is because of the Wolf pack Club program that saves lower level seats and premium upper level seats for new season ticket holders. You can pay $400 - $500 a year to join the “club” and you jump in front of me. 12 years of season tickets are worth $400 to the Chiefs. How many $1,000’s have I spent on pre-season games and down year games? Again this has de-valued being a season ticket holder.

I love tailgating. I love seeing old friends and meeting new ones on game days. The game day experience no matter if the Chiefs win or lose is always an excellent time. Year after year I have seen some hard core long time season ticket holders give up their tickets. This has taken a toll on the fervor of the fans inside Arrowhead.

These hard core fans have been replaced by people seeking social time with friends and family, co-workers and businesses rewarding employees. They love their pre-game tents with the no fuss ready to eat buffets. They will really love the new club level. Nothing wrong with this new social dynamic except that a by product of this is that they are not as committed to the team and making Arrowhead the loudest stadium in the NFL as were the fans that they replaced. And that decreases the value and fun of being a season ticket holder.

Maybe if I had no faith in King Carl to rebuild our team I’d still see a value in being a season ticket holder. King Carl deserves to be in the KC Chiefs HOF. He is directly responsible for making the Arrowhead game day experience one of the best if not the best in the NFL. But his arrogance has also brought the Chiefs down to levels that have been shameful and very distasteful to experience as a Chiefs fan.

King Carl has had 19 years to get this right but he still can’t admit mistakes. His failure to evaluate talent is why we are in the current re-building mode. His time as GM should have been up a long time ago. I feel that he has stayed on as GM because of the great business skills he has and the profit he makes for the franchise. I believe King Carl wants to win as much as any of the NFL GM’s, he just doesn’t know how. After 19 years its time to give someone else a chance.

One of the benefits of being a season ticket holder is keeping the same tickets for playoff games. One playoff game at Arrowhead in 10 years doesn’t increase the value of being a season ticket holder.

I’m optimistic about the future. The last 2 drafts have given us fans hope. I’ll still go to the games. I’ll just cherry pick the games. Home opener, Broncos, Raiders etc. Maybe in a couple of years from now when we are good again I’ll see the value in being a season ticket holder. I can just buy the rights to someone’s seat with the $6,000 that I saved from not giving that money to the Chiefs front office for 2 years. I’ll always be a Chiefs fan and shall cheer no other. It’s just that the majority of the time I’ll be doing that cheering in front of a big screen TV.

Reerun_KC · 06-09-2008, 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Rain Man

I bet the ticket sales group was really concerned about this until Herm stuck his head in the door and told them to get over it.

**007** · 06-09-2008, 06:53 PM

STANDING OVATION!!!!!

StcChief · 06-09-2008, 06:59 PM

welcome to the club..... F being "real fans" in Carl's world.

**Nzoner** · 06-09-2008, 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief

Nzoner/JSPChief were as hard core fans/tailgators as me and they gave em up 2 years ago. Wonder if they got a call from a red coater?

No call here but I did get a few e-mails and most recently a full color mailer.I really hate seeing this happen but as you said in your letter it's time for a change at the top and as customers this action is truly our only voice.

My tailgate group which was a dozen others finally did the same thing this season and said enough is enough,as I recall that was another $12,000 lost in STH's.

Could be an ugly sight at Arrowhead this season with numerous empty seats and the NFL did the organization no favors by putting 2 division games in the first two,so fans say cool,2 division games in person and then I can kick back and see if I want to go to any others.

smittysbar · 06-09-2008, 07:19 PM

**bogey** · 06-09-2008, 07:28 PM

If I couldn't watch the Chiefs every Sunday on the NFL Directtv Sunday ticket (win or lose) I would be the one suffering. If I had season tickets at Arrowhead, and all of the sudden stopped attending, I feel like it would be me that lost out, not the Chiefs. I respect the fact that you wrote a letter, but the King and the Chiefs don't give a shit. You're losing out on something that I assume was a pleasure. Congrats to you for sticking to your guns. I have few passions in life, watching the Chiefs is one of them. If I had season tickets, I couldn't give up that passion. That's just me.

StcChief · 06-09-2008, 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by nzoner

Could be an ugly sight at Arrowhead this season with numerous empty seats and the NFL did the organization no favors by putting 2 division games in the first two,so fans say cool,2 division games in person In the first 4 and then I can kick back and see if I want to go to any others.

NFL still hates Chiefs don't care about
'their schedule'.... AGAIN HOW ARE Faider/Donxs on MNF first week(not that MNF is now relevant since it it's cable ESPN) ? McFadden new chicken leg RB, the second coming of Elway in ****ler in rival AFC matchup.?

**Bugeater** · 06-09-2008, 07:42 PM

I'm sure Carl printed off this letter, lit it on fire, then used it to light a cigar.

**Nzoner** · 06-09-2008, 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by GoBo

I'm sure Carl printed off this letter, lit it on fire, then used it to light a cigar.

King Carl use paper to light a cigar,meh,I'll bet he uses C-notes

**DaFace** · 06-09-2008, 07:48 PM

Wow...I didn't figure you'd be quite to the point of giving them up yet. Where will people go to tailgate?

Kidding of course. You gotta do what you gotta do.

StcChief · 06-09-2008, 07:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nzoner

King Carl use paper to light a cigar,meh,I'll bet he uses C-notes

C-Notes are in his pocket.....maybe his bonus is serously tied to this or the phone calls wouldn't be happening....

10K????? STH called it quits....Blackouts await

**007** · 06-09-2008, 08:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaFace

Wow...I didn't figure you'd be quite to the point of giving them up yet. Where will people go to tailgate?

Kidding of course. You gotta do what you gotta do.

As long as he is still in his usual spot for the season opener this year.

kc rush · 06-09-2008, 08:16 PM

Wow, that surprised me. After talking with you last year, it sounded like you were in it for the long haul.

little jacob · 06-09-2008, 09:02 PM

thank you sir for doing your part to oust carl peterson

**BigRedChief** · 06-09-2008, 09:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaFace

Wow...I didn't figure you'd be quite to the point of giving them up yet. Where will people go to tailgate?

Kidding of course. You gotta do what you gotta do.

I'll still go to games. Just not all 10 games.

06-09-2008, 03:42 PM
BigRedChief Has a particular set of skills Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: On the water Casino cash: $-571038 VARSITY	BRC is no longer a "real" fan. Edited version of my email to the chiefs........................ After being on the season ticket waiting list for 4 years I finally became a season ticket holder in 1996. Back then 3 season tickets cost me $1,113. This year’s bill was $2,604. By the time you tally in parking, gas to and from the games the yearly bill easily exceeds $3,000. That doesn’t even include tailgating supplies or anything bought inside the stadium. With that kind of money I could plan a major family vacation, house improvements, and provide additional funds for college etc.etc. Spending $3,000 for something that has lost its value just doesn’t make sense to me anymore. I’m sure that the season ticket prices will continue to go up at a rate higher than inflation and with the re-opening of the “new” Arrowhead really escalate in price. I’m not having a financial hardship. I’m still way over paid for the work that I do. There is no reason to doubt that in the future that my pay scale will continue upward. So I can afford the season tickets even the club level seats if I so chose to do so. It’s just that I don’t think it’s a good value for my family anymore. When I have to pay for 2 pre-season games (close to $500.00) that are glorified practices it reduces the value of being a season ticket holder. I’m now unable to sell my tickets at face value to anyone. Sometimes I can’t even give them away for free. That decreases the value of being a season ticket holder. When I try to upgrade my seats to a better location I’m told that there are no real upgrades available. I feel this is because of the Wolf pack Club program that saves lower level seats and premium upper level seats for new season ticket holders. You can pay $400 - $500 a year to join the “club” and you jump in front of me. 12 years of season tickets are worth $400 to the Chiefs. How many $1,000’s have I spent on pre-season games and down year games? Again this has de-valued being a season ticket holder. I love tailgating. I love seeing old friends and meeting new ones on game days. The game day experience no matter if the Chiefs win or lose is always an excellent time. Year after year I have seen some hard core long time season ticket holders give up their tickets. This has taken a toll on the fervor of the fans inside Arrowhead. These hard core fans have been replaced by people seeking social time with friends and family, co-workers and businesses rewarding employees. They love their pre-game tents with the no fuss ready to eat buffets. They will really love the new club level. Nothing wrong with this new social dynamic except that a by product of this is that they are not as committed to the team and making Arrowhead the loudest stadium in the NFL as were the fans that they replaced. And that decreases the value and fun of being a season ticket holder. Maybe if I had no faith in King Carl to rebuild our team I’d still see a value in being a season ticket holder. King Carl deserves to be in the KC Chiefs HOF. He is directly responsible for making the Arrowhead game day experience one of the best if not the best in the NFL. But his arrogance has also brought the Chiefs down to levels that have been shameful and very distasteful to experience as a Chiefs fan. King Carl has had 19 years to get this right but he still can’t admit mistakes. His failure to evaluate talent is why we are in the current re-building mode. His time as GM should have been up a long time ago. I feel that he has stayed on as GM because of the great business skills he has and the profit he makes for the franchise. I believe King Carl wants to win as much as any of the NFL GM’s, he just doesn’t know how. After 19 years its time to give someone else a chance. One of the benefits of being a season ticket holder is keeping the same tickets for playoff games. One playoff game at Arrowhead in 10 years doesn’t increase the value of being a season ticket holder. I’m optimistic about the future. The last 2 drafts have given us fans hope. I’ll still go to the games. I’ll just cherry pick the games. Home opener, Broncos, Raiders etc. Maybe in a couple of years from now when we are good again I’ll see the value in being a season ticket holder. I can just buy the rights to someone’s seat with the $6,000 that I saved from not giving that money to the Chiefs front office for 2 years. I’ll always be a Chiefs fan and shall cheer no other. It’s just that the majority of the time I’ll be doing that cheering in front of a big screen TV.
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