BRC is no longer a "real" fan.

[BigRedChief]

Edited version of my email to the chiefs........................

After being on the season ticket waiting list for 4 years I finally became a season ticket holder in 1996. Back then 3 season tickets cost me $1,113. This year’s bill was $2,604. By the time you tally in parking, gas to and from the games the yearly bill easily exceeds $3,000. That doesn’t even include tailgating supplies or anything bought inside the stadium. With that kind of money I could plan a major family vacation, house improvements, and provide additional funds for college etc.etc. Spending $3,000 for something that has lost its value just doesn’t make sense to me anymore.

I’m sure that the season ticket prices will continue to go up at a rate higher than inflation and with the re-opening of the “new” Arrowhead really escalate in price. I’m not having a financial hardship. I’m still way over paid for the work that I do. There is no reason to doubt that in the future that my pay scale will continue upward. So I can afford the season tickets even the club level seats if I so chose to do so. It’s just that I don’t think it’s a good value for my family anymore.

When I have to pay for 2 pre-season games (close to $500.00) that are glorified practices it reduces the value of being a season ticket holder. I’m now unable to sell my tickets at face value to anyone. Sometimes I can’t even give them away for free. That decreases the value of being a season ticket holder.

When I try to upgrade my seats to a better location I’m told that there are no real upgrades available. I feel this is because of the Wolf pack Club program that saves lower level seats and premium upper level seats for new season ticket holders. You can pay $400 - $500 a year to join the “club” and you jump in front of me. 12 years of season tickets are worth $400 to the Chiefs. How many $1,000’s have I spent on pre-season games and down year games? Again this has de-valued being a season ticket holder.

I love tailgating. I love seeing old friends and meeting new ones on game days. The game day experience no matter if the Chiefs win or lose is always an excellent time. Year after year I have seen some hard core long time season ticket holders give up their tickets. This has taken a toll on the fervor of the fans inside Arrowhead.

These hard core fans have been replaced by people seeking social time with friends and family, co-workers and businesses rewarding employees. They love their pre-game tents with the no fuss ready to eat buffets. They will really love the new club level. Nothing wrong with this new social dynamic except that a by product of this is that they are not as committed to the team and making Arrowhead the loudest stadium in the NFL as were the fans that they replaced. And that decreases the value and fun of being a season ticket holder.

Maybe if I had no faith in King Carl to rebuild our team I’d still see a value in being a season ticket holder. King Carl deserves to be in the KC Chiefs HOF. He is directly responsible for making the Arrowhead game day experience one of the best if not the best in the NFL. But his arrogance has also brought the Chiefs down to levels that have been shameful and very distasteful to experience as a Chiefs fan.

King Carl has had 19 years to get this right but he still can’t admit mistakes. His failure to evaluate talent is why we are in the current re-building mode. His time as GM should have been up a long time ago. I feel that he has stayed on as GM because of the great business skills he has and the profit he makes for the franchise. I believe King Carl wants to win as much as any of the NFL GM’s, he just doesn’t know how. After 19 years its time to give someone else a chance.

One of the benefits of being a season ticket holder is keeping the same tickets for playoff games. One playoff game at Arrowhead in 10 years doesn’t increase the value of being a season ticket holder.

I’m optimistic about the future. The last 2 drafts have given us fans hope. I’ll still go to the games. I’ll just cherry pick the games. Home opener, Broncos, Raiders etc. Maybe in a couple of years from now when we are good again I’ll see the value in being a season ticket holder. I can just buy the rights to someone’s seat with the $6,000 that I saved from not giving that money to the Chiefs front office for 2 years. I’ll always be a Chiefs fan and shall cheer no other. It’s just that the majority of the time I’ll be doing that cheering in front of a big screen TV.

[Brock]

Originally Posted by CoMoChief

Actually to be honest we don't know who called that play.

Solari could have called something else and Herm over rides that call with a play of his own.

Solari couldn't be THAT stupid to run a draw like that with the game on the line. He's been in the NFL too long to know that.

He hasn't been in the NFL longer than Herm Edwards.

[boogblaster]

I hear ya BRC ... but if possible, go to all the games they need real-fans too ....

[Fish]

Originally Posted by CoMoChief

Actually to be honest we don't know who called that play.

Solari could have called something else and Herm over rides that call with a play of his own.

Solari couldn't be THAT stupid to run a draw like that with the game on the line. He's been in the NFL too long to know that.

Yeah... We're paying an OC a few million to call offensive plays, but who knows who called that one.... even though Solari was fired for unimaginative playcalling. Which he has admitted to in interviews since then...

[StcChief]

Originally Posted by boogblaster

I hear ya BRC ... but if possible, go to all the games they need real-fans too ....

all X-STHers have become part time "real" fans..... a game here/there for the Arrowhead experience.
Until Carl is gone and this ship is truly "righted" will it begin to be the same as 90s.

[FAX]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Yeah. Nice post.

Unlike all the other sheep around here, I don't think Brodie Croyle has proven jackshit. He hasn't proven in more than 6 games that he can "laser" a ball in the right place under pressure, he hasn't proven he can lead a team to victory and he hasn't proven that he's worth more than a pimple on my ****ing ass.

Herm Edwards conservative coaching is what kept the Chiefs in the game.

Though I'm sure that all you whiney ass dumb ****ing bitches would have liked it better if the Chiefs had lost 49-0.

Baa.

FAX

[Chiefnj2]

Originally Posted by KC Fish

Herman ****ING Edwards didn't call a draw play. Mike ****ing Solari did. Mike ****ing Solari was the offensive coordinator. You know... the offensive coordinator guy that calls offensive plays.... Mike ****ing Solari... who was fired after the season for making those kinds of offensive calls?



And the defense had just as much to do with that loss as anything. They had a chance to put the game away, and they blew it hard. Your excuse that there wasn't a defense that could stop Peyton is utter BS. Not fair to the defense to be expected to make a team punt? Sounds like a Vermeil attitude.

You don't think Herm had an influence on playcalling?

I still recall one of the first preseason games with Herm and Solari and Solari was calling plays aggressively like his predecessor. It didnt' work out well in that preseason game and Herm said something after the game that you'd never see playcalling like that again.

If you don't think Solari was under orders to play for field position on some 3rd and longs you are in denial.

[Buehler445]

Originally Posted by KC Fish

Herman ****ING Edwards didn't call a draw play. Mike ****ing Solari did. Mike ****ing Solari was the offensive coordinator. You know... the offensive coordinator guy that calls offensive plays.... Mike ****ing Solari... who was fired after the season for making those kinds of offensive calls?



And the defense had just as much to do with that loss as anything. They had a chance to put the game away, and they blew it hard. Your excuse that there wasn't a defense that could stop Peyton is utter BS. Not fair to the defense to be expected to make a team punt? Sounds like a Vermeil attitude.

Yeah, I am not saying Solari was not a tard. He was. But Solari got his strategic guidance from Herm. I remember several times where Herm said they worked together, and he was bringing Solari along.

Moreover, almost every headcoach has involvment in game changing plays. Even Marty, who hardly wore his headphones. If Herm didn't say, woah, "woah, WOAH, we probably shouldn't punt to Peyton Manning with the game on the line," then IMO, its still his bad.

[Fish]

Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

You don't think Herm had an influence on playcalling?

I still recall one of the first preseason games with Herm and Solari and Solari was calling plays aggressively like his predecessor. It didnt' work out well in that preseason game and Herm said something after the game that you'd never see playcalling like that again.

If you don't think Solari was under orders to play for field position on some 3rd and longs you are in denial.

Then why would Solari be fired? Think about it. If he was only under orders from Herm, why was he canned? If that's the style of play that Herm wants, why would he fire somebody who is doing exactly what he wanted him to? If Herm really wanted to put brakes on the offense and strive for field goals, why fire Solari and hire Chan?

I'm not in denial. I'm not claiming Herm does no wrong. I'm just not blaming every negative facet of the game on Herm.

[Fish]

Originally Posted by Buehler445

Yeah, I am not saying Solari was not a tard. He was. But Solari got his strategic guidance from Herm. I remember several times where Herm said they worked together, and he was bringing Solari along.

Moreover, almost every headcoach has involvment in game changing plays. Even Marty, who hardly wore his headphones. If Herm didn't say, woah, "woah, WOAH, we probably shouldn't punt to Peyton Manning with the game on the line," then IMO, its still his bad.

Now you're backtracking....

So now it's Herm's fault that he didn't step in and change things to prevent punting to Peyton? Easier said than done.

How about executing the plays? Is it also Herm's fault that the players couldn't execute the plays that were called?

If they would have done that, we likely would have won that game. If the defense would have made a stop in the 4th quarter, we likely would have won. It doesn't make a shit bit of difference what plays were called or who called them if the personnel can't execute it.

[Chiefnj2]

Originally Posted by KC Fish

Then why would Solari be fired? Think about it. If he was only under orders from Herm, why was he canned?

Because that is what head coaches do to save their own ass. They fire their coordinators.

[Brock]

Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

Because that is what head coaches do to save their own ass. They fire their coordinators.

Herm wasn't in any danger of being fired.

[BigRedChief]

Originally Posted by xfactor

Am I the only one happy to see this finally happen. With the TeePee calling it quits and now BRC folding up the tailgate I will now live longer. It took away many years of my life dancing at the Teepee getting to the point of almost a heart attack, then being topped off by having to walk 20 feet and BRC giving me a "HEART ATTACK ON A BUN." Not to mention BRC giving me the biggest man hugs, I actually know what it feels like to be a pimple being popped cause of these.

In all serious, BRC with you the Tee Pee calling it quits, Weirdwolf retiring and Elvis making the same decsion you have, has completely blown Lot C up into also nothing. You were a huge part of what made that area the very best in the area of tailgating/party in the whole NFL and I've been to 24 NFL stadiums to justify that comment. There was not a better time anywhere in the NFL. Like I told WeirdWolf, go recharge those batteries, relight that fire and we will hold the fort down. In the meantime I will work on my spandex figure walking aimlessly through the parking lot trying to find "THE PARTY" but nothing will every compare to the one you helped make. You defiently will have to give me a hugs to make up for the ones I don't get every game you do decide to come to.

Thats what I'll miss most is the tailgating and friends built up through the years.
Weirdwolf
FirstDownElvis
Nzoner
Brock
JSPChief
and now me

Thats some seriously hard core Chief fans that have given up their tickets.

[BigRedChief]

Originally Posted by Sfeihc

Lot C will be a shadow of it's former self for sure. When BRC decides to say "no mas" to season tickets you know the Chiefs are *&$#ed. All the best to you and your family, BRC, hope to cross paths with you sometime this season.

Lot C was the best place to party/tailgate. It rocked.

[OnTheWarpath15]

Originally Posted by BigRedChief

Thats what I'll miss most is the tailgating and friends built up through the years.
Weirdwolf
FirstDownElvis
Nzoner
Brock
JSPChief
and now me

Thats some seriously hard core Chief fans that have given up their tickets.

I guess I'm not "hardcore."

[Bearcat]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Yeah. Nice post.

Unlike all the other sheep around here, I don't think Brodie Croyle has proven jackshit. He hasn't proven in more than 6 games that he can "laser" a ball in the right place under pressure, he hasn't proven he can lead a team to victory and he hasn't proven that he's worth more than a pimple on my ****ing ass.

Herm Edwards conservative coaching is what kept the Chiefs in the game.

Though I'm sure that all you whiney ass dumb ****ing bitches would have liked it better if the Chiefs had lost 49-0.

This game is one of the more underrated arguments on this board...

Originally Posted by Bearcat, a long time ago

I'll give Herm the benefit of the doubt on every play through 3 quarters. After all, even with all the screens and bad playcalling, it's 10-10 and you have a little momentum with the TD.

They basically told Croyle at that point "good drive... pack it up, and we'll see if we can do it again next week".

I could care less about the W-L columns. It's about the decision making. Given that situation with more playmakers and a better OLine, I think Herm would do the same thing. Why do I think that? He SAID IT after the game when he said we were in a defensive game and were waiting for a play at the end.

Originally Posted by Bearcat, a long time ago

I'll take the first three quarters... even with all the stupid screens and whatever. If you want to say it kept us in the game, fine, I can deal with that.

But, give me back the two drives in the 4th quarter... especially the one at 14:53.

You drive, score a TD, force the Colts to punt... and then you hand off on first down (again), setting up a screen to Bowe (again), and it's 3rd and 12.

WHAT THE HELL? You JUST drove down the field.

So, you force them to punt again. Hand off (again), pass on 2nd down (again, but 7 yards). First down, hand off... 2nd down, why would Croyle get sacked? How the hell did the Colts know we were going to pass on 2nd and 15? 3rd & 18.

Game over.

Originally Posted by Bearcat, a long time ago

We drive down the field and score a touchdown. Force a punt. We fold up. Force a punt. We fold up.

Why is there faith that the philosophy will change when the talent changes, when Herm comes out and says "we were in a defensive game, we were looking for one play at the end"?

Some of you guys sound like it's our first year in the NFL. You all complain about respect and how we made the playoffs last year and how we are a game out of winning the AFC West... yet, we lose, and it's "we're rebuilding, it's a moral victory".

Which one is it?

Like you said, if the philosophy doesn't change when there's more talent, that'll be the time to really be disappointed. I just don't see why it would change. Croyle proves he can drive down the field for the TD, and you put the diapers back on? It was almost like it was practice... good week, Croyle, we'll come back out next week and see if we can do it again... oh wait, there's another quarter to play?

Originally Posted by Bearcat, a long time ago

I don't think it's about that for most people... I could care less about the loss as far as the standings. Herm made these sort of choices in big games with the Jets. He made the same decisions in our playoff loss last year, and he's making the same decisions now.

Why is he going to change now? When we have more talent, and we're tied in the 4th, he's going to punt before taking a chance, and give us the 50/50 chance of winning that we've had all year. It's always going to be about one big play. We'll win some games we shouldn't win, and lose some games we should win by 21.

It's hard to win 3 or 4 playoff games in a row like that, regardless of the talent on the field... because you know, playoff teams are usually pretty good, too.