Chiefs Favre fits in KC - Page 4

Hammock Parties · 07-15-2008, 01:33 PM

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As the chess game begins between the Green Bay Packers and quarterback Brett Favre, it’s clear that one way or another the future Hall of Famer will don a different jersey in 2008. I can think of 31 teams that could use Favre. One of them should be the Kansas City Chiefs.

In the spring of 1993 the Chiefs, at the tail end of Carl Peterson’s initial five-year plan, found a way to lure quarterback Joe Montana away from San Francisco. After some tense negotiations between Peterson, Montana’s agent, and the get-him-at-any-cost former owner of the Arizona Cardinals, Bill Bidwill, the Chiefs and 49ers struck a deal.

Montana had two franchises after his services, and it proved to be just the leverage he needed to force a trade from San Francisco. The deal was also an example of Peterson’s negotiating ability, as he convinced Montana that he would not be held hostage with a contract that didn’t fit KC’s salary cap.

In the end, the 49ers wrangled a first-round draft pick away from the Chiefs and everyone was happy. Kansas City benefited from Montana Magic as he led them to the AFC Championship in his first season. In fact, the team hasn’t won a playoff game since Montana wore the red and gold.

Now the Chiefs have an opportunity to land Favre. Déjà vu? Perhaps, but the question now is this:

Will Kansas City abandon their youth movement to grab a player who’s capable of delivering a division title, a return to the playoffs, and perhaps more?

Anyone who witnessed Favre’s game a year ago at Arrowhead knows he still has a rocket arm. The veteran had the Packers within reach of the Super Bowl last season despite the fact Green Bay’s offense wasn’t laden with All-Pro talent. They had an average offensive line and a poor running game for much of the season. Fortunately, Favre had a pair of capable wide receivers who could run both crossing patterns and deep routes. The fact that Favre was so successful with those less-than-spectacular elements was enough to convince me that his retirement earlier this offseason might be short-lived.

Right now the Chiefs are a few weeks away from jetting off to River Falls, to begin what I hope is their last training camp in Wisconsin. They are now seven months into their offseason plan of implementing a long-overdue youth movement.

That includes third-year quarterback Brodie Croyle, and both head coach Herm Edwards and offensive coordinator Chan Gailey are firmly entrenched in his camp. For the record, so am I. There is absolutely no doubt that Croyle has the goods to be a solid quarterback in this league.

But the opportunity to work out a trade with the Packers to land Farvre as a teacher and mentor for Croyle might just be worth the loss of a first-day draft pick in 2009. That goes against the current plan in Kansas City, but even a near-40 quarterback like Favre can bring something to the Chiefs.

Packers management isn’t all that interested in playing their hand at the moment, but let’s be honest - they’ll deal Favre as long as he doesn’t go to the Detroit Lions, Minnesota Vikings or Chicago Bears. It’s a good bet all of those teams would give up their top draft pick next season to land Favre.

Packers general manager Ted Thompson isn’t an idiot, either. The way he’s built his team the last three years, with outstanding draft classes from top to bottom, should indeed be the model for every NFL team to follow.

However, he’s in a losing battle on his position with Favre, because the quarterback is the Green Bay Packers. He’s as influential and important to the fan base as Vince Lombardi was to the face of the franchise in the 1960s. Right now Favre might be even bigger than Lombardi was.

The Packers are in a no-win situation because Favre’s desire to return indicates he either believes he can still play at a Pro Bowl level or he wants to collect the final two years of his mega-contract that will earn him nearly $40 million. Though the Packers could easily absorb the cap hit by keeping him on the active roster, they’re still playing with fire.

The team has put their faith in young quarterback Aaron Rodgers. When he throws his first interception this preseason, fans will boo him – wrongly, I might add – and they’ll start chanting for their hero, Favre, to replace him. It’s totally unfair, but it’s as inevitable as gas prices reaching $5.00 per gallon in September.

The Chiefs, meanwhile, really don’t need Favre. He’d be a luxury, however, one the team can afford with their plentiful salary cap space. It would also be great PR for a team many believe will finish last in the AFC West this season. The media attention would be 10 times what it was for the Chiefs during the Montana era. That’s good for business, especially when you’re in the midst of rebuilding a stadium.

If the Chiefs acquired Favre, Croyle would wind up in the same spot Rodgers was in Green Bay over the last couple of seasons. I’m not sure how Croyle would handle having Favre on the team.

Initially, I imagine he’d embrace it, because he’s a professional and when you come from a quarterback lineage of Bart Starr, Joe Namath and Kenny Stabler at Alabama, another legend isn’t going to faze you.

Would adding Favre stunt Croyle’s development? Maybe so. That’s the risk the Chiefs have to take if they’re willing to enter trade talks with Green Bay.

But realistically, playing for the Chiefs won’t likely be Favre’s first choice. He wants to play for the Miami Dolphins or the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. But that might not be his call, and the Packers would be smart to ship him to an AFC team that won’t appear on their schedule this year or next.

That leaves a remote chance that the Chiefs could have a serious shot at Favre. If they do make a run at him, it would certainly make for an interesting three weeks in River Falls. Like last year with HBO's Hard Knocks, it would once again put the Chiefs at the forefront of NFL coverage before the season kicks off in New England.

BigVE · 07-15-2008, 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Deberg_1990

Something tells me Croyle will never have a season as good as this:

GP PYDS PCT TDs INT RATING
16 4155 66.5 28 15 95.7

Why wouldnt we want Favre? Hes still playing at a HIGH level. This isnt an aging Joe Montana situation, where he didnt play for a long time before he came to KC. (and no, that mopup game in SF in 92 doesnt count)

I doubt it would ever happen but I would welcome Favre if he came to KC. Our O-line would have to grow up in a hurry to keep him from being killed. He is still several notches better than any QB we have now.

Deberg_1990 · 07-15-2008, 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by rambleonthruthefog

we'd be better with him than without him.

Thats all im saying. Its a QB driven league and having a good QB has more effect on wins that anything else.

If the Chiefs think they can compete for a playoff spot with a high caliber QB this year or the next, then they should make a push for Favre.

Rooster · 07-15-2008, 02:47 PM

Tyler Thigpen already wears #4, case closed. Thigpen ain't given his number up.

Mecca · 07-15-2008, 02:49 PM

I don't really have a problem with Favre here, the Packers are doing all they can to keep him retired. If they don't want him then move him, and there is no way they can bring him back as the backup. That puts the most ridiculous pressure in the world on Rodgers, if he screws up once we know what happens...

If Favre goes to camp with them he's their starter, period. All this stuff right now is posturing. Their GM is being hard headed because Rodgers was his first pick as a GM, he's acting more committed to that player than he is about winning.

Odds are Favre will be their starting QB at the beginning of the year, if he's not and Rodgers sucks, this is the kind of thing that gets people fired...We'll see but right now I don't see any side as more right than the other, they both have their points but in the end they're a better team with Favre.

As a Chiefs fan you should hope he comes back because it makes Rodgers an option for next season, a likely much better one than we currently have.

Mecca · 07-15-2008, 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by BigVE

I doubt it would ever happen but I would welcome Favre if he came to KC. Our O-line would have to grow up in a hurry to keep him from being killed. He is still several notches better than any QB we have now.

Croyle would marvel at his ability to take a hit and get up and keep playing...

RJ · 07-15-2008, 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by RedNeckRaider

"Will Kansas City abandon their youth movement to grab a player who’s capable of delivering a division title, a return to the playoffs, and perhaps more?"

Yep, that's as far as I got. There was no need to read any further.

Redrum_69 · 07-15-2008, 02:52 PM

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Hammock Parties · 07-15-2008, 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by ferrarispider95

Nick "The Erroneous One" Athan wrote it

I hope they keep it in River Falls, nice little town, cooler weather, and most locals have become Chiefs fans.

Yeah, I would prefer they stay in Wisconsin, too. I think roughing it is good for the team. But to be realistic, they just dumped a ton of cash on Arrowhead and the surrounding area. They have to use those facilities.

I can't really complain I guess. I'm going to love spending time in KC for training camp in future years. River Falls sucks ass.

Deberg_1990 · 07-15-2008, 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

As a Chiefs fan you should hope he comes back because it makes Rodgers an option for next season, a likely much better one than we currently have.

Ironically, we passed on Rodgers for DJ. Which is one of the few decent 1st round QB options Peterson ever passed on.

Mecca · 07-15-2008, 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Deberg_1990

Ironically, we passed on Rodgers for DJ. Which is one of the few decent 1st round QB options Peterson ever passed on.

If the Chiefs had taken Rodgers that year, though I'd have been fine with it, Vermiel probably would have melted down more than he did after the LJ pick since Trent Green was basically his boyfriend.

I'm starting to come to this thought, unless you think that LB is a 10 time pro bowler and one of the best in the game a LB like DJ may not be worth a first round pick....to make that pick worth it he has to develop into being as good as Keith Bulluck.

Hammock Parties · 07-15-2008, 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

to make that pick worth it he has to develop into being as good as Keith Bulluck.

Keith Bulluck 2007 - 88 tackles, 0 sacks, 2.5 tackles for loss, 1 forced fumble, 5 interceptions, 7 passes defensed.

Derrick Johnson 2007 - 93 tackles, 4 sacks, 14 tackles for loss, 3 forced fumbles, 2 interceptions, 6 passes defensed.

Considering that Bulluck played with Haynesworth in front of him last year, I'd say the gap between him and DJ is closer than you insinuate.

Mecca · 07-15-2008, 03:05 PM

Stats are nice but if you watch them play Bulluck never disappears and makes more game changing plays.....Bulluck is one of the best OLB's in the league today, DJ has a ways to go to be on his level, regardless of those stats.

Fairplay · 07-15-2008, 03:06 PM

Claythen needs drug or alcohol counseling.

**cdcox** · 07-15-2008, 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Claythan

Yeah, I would prefer they stay in Wisconsin, too. I think roughing it is good for the team.

They practiced at William Jewell in Liberty during the glory years. I think that was good for them.

**dirk digler** · 07-15-2008, 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

I don't really have a problem with Favre here, the Packers are doing all they can to keep him retired. If they don't want him then move him, and there is no way they can bring him back as the backup. That puts the most ridiculous pressure in the world on Rodgers, if he screws up once we know what happens...

If Favre goes to camp with them he's their starter, period. All this stuff right now is posturing. Their GM is being hard headed because Rodgers was his first pick as a GM, he's acting more committed to that player than he is about winning.

Odds are Favre will be their starting QB at the beginning of the year, if he's not and Rodgers sucks, this is the kind of thing that gets people fired...We'll see but right now I don't see any side as more right than the other, they both have their points but in the end they're a better team with Favre.

As a Chiefs fan you should hope he comes back because it makes Rodgers an option for next season, a likely much better one than we currently have.

I agree with all of that except your last statement because in all likelihood even if Favre comes back this year and plays I doubt he last more than this year or next.

07-15-2008, 01:33 PM
Hammock Parties I'll be back. Join Date: Nov 2002 Casino cash: $860478	Favre fits in KC http://kan.scout.com/2/769273.html As the chess game begins between the Green Bay Packers and quarterback Brett Favre, it’s clear that one way or another the future Hall of Famer will don a different jersey in 2008. I can think of 31 teams that could use Favre. One of them should be the Kansas City Chiefs. In the spring of 1993 the Chiefs, at the tail end of Carl Peterson’s initial five-year plan, found a way to lure quarterback Joe Montana away from San Francisco. After some tense negotiations between Peterson, Montana’s agent, and the get-him-at-any-cost former owner of the Arizona Cardinals, Bill Bidwill, the Chiefs and 49ers struck a deal. Montana had two franchises after his services, and it proved to be just the leverage he needed to force a trade from San Francisco. The deal was also an example of Peterson’s negotiating ability, as he convinced Montana that he would not be held hostage with a contract that didn’t fit KC’s salary cap. In the end, the 49ers wrangled a first-round draft pick away from the Chiefs and everyone was happy. Kansas City benefited from Montana Magic as he led them to the AFC Championship in his first season. In fact, the team hasn’t won a playoff game since Montana wore the red and gold. Now the Chiefs have an opportunity to land Favre. Déjà vu? Perhaps, but the question now is this: Will Kansas City abandon their youth movement to grab a player who’s capable of delivering a division title, a return to the playoffs, and perhaps more? Anyone who witnessed Favre’s game a year ago at Arrowhead knows he still has a rocket arm. The veteran had the Packers within reach of the Super Bowl last season despite the fact Green Bay’s offense wasn’t laden with All-Pro talent. They had an average offensive line and a poor running game for much of the season. Fortunately, Favre had a pair of capable wide receivers who could run both crossing patterns and deep routes. The fact that Favre was so successful with those less-than-spectacular elements was enough to convince me that his retirement earlier this offseason might be short-lived. Right now the Chiefs are a few weeks away from jetting off to River Falls, to begin what I hope is their last training camp in Wisconsin. They are now seven months into their offseason plan of implementing a long-overdue youth movement. That includes third-year quarterback Brodie Croyle, and both head coach Herm Edwards and offensive coordinator Chan Gailey are firmly entrenched in his camp. For the record, so am I. There is absolutely no doubt that Croyle has the goods to be a solid quarterback in this league. But the opportunity to work out a trade with the Packers to land Farvre as a teacher and mentor for Croyle might just be worth the loss of a first-day draft pick in 2009. That goes against the current plan in Kansas City, but even a near-40 quarterback like Favre can bring something to the Chiefs. Packers management isn’t all that interested in playing their hand at the moment, but let’s be honest - they’ll deal Favre as long as he doesn’t go to the Detroit Lions, Minnesota Vikings or Chicago Bears. It’s a good bet all of those teams would give up their top draft pick next season to land Favre. Packers general manager Ted Thompson isn’t an idiot, either. The way he’s built his team the last three years, with outstanding draft classes from top to bottom, should indeed be the model for every NFL team to follow. However, he’s in a losing battle on his position with Favre, because the quarterback is the Green Bay Packers. He’s as influential and important to the fan base as Vince Lombardi was to the face of the franchise in the 1960s. Right now Favre might be even bigger than Lombardi was. The Packers are in a no-win situation because Favre’s desire to return indicates he either believes he can still play at a Pro Bowl level or he wants to collect the final two years of his mega-contract that will earn him nearly $40 million. Though the Packers could easily absorb the cap hit by keeping him on the active roster, they’re still playing with fire. The team has put their faith in young quarterback Aaron Rodgers. When he throws his first interception this preseason, fans will boo him – wrongly, I might add – and they’ll start chanting for their hero, Favre, to replace him. It’s totally unfair, but it’s as inevitable as gas prices reaching $5.00 per gallon in September. The Chiefs, meanwhile, really don’t need Favre. He’d be a luxury, however, one the team can afford with their plentiful salary cap space. It would also be great PR for a team many believe will finish last in the AFC West this season. The media attention would be 10 times what it was for the Chiefs during the Montana era. That’s good for business, especially when you’re in the midst of rebuilding a stadium. If the Chiefs acquired Favre, Croyle would wind up in the same spot Rodgers was in Green Bay over the last couple of seasons. I’m not sure how Croyle would handle having Favre on the team. Initially, I imagine he’d embrace it, because he’s a professional and when you come from a quarterback lineage of Bart Starr, Joe Namath and Kenny Stabler at Alabama, another legend isn’t going to faze you. Would adding Favre stunt Croyle’s development? Maybe so. That’s the risk the Chiefs have to take if they’re willing to enter trade talks with Green Bay. But realistically, playing for the Chiefs won’t likely be Favre’s first choice. He wants to play for the Miami Dolphins or the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. But that might not be his call, and the Packers would be smart to ship him to an AFC team that won’t appear on their schedule this year or next. That leaves a remote chance that the Chiefs could have a serious shot at Favre. If they do make a run at him, it would certainly make for an interesting three weeks in River Falls. Like last year with HBO's Hard Knocks, it would once again put the Chiefs at the forefront of NFL coverage before the season kicks off in New England.
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Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $-652950	I don't really have a problem with Favre here, the Packers are doing all they can to keep him retired. If they don't want him then move him, and there is no way they can bring him back as the backup. That puts the most ridiculous pressure in the world on Rodgers, if he screws up once we know what happens... If Favre goes to camp with them he's their starter, period. All this stuff right now is posturing. Their GM is being hard headed because Rodgers was his first pick as a GM, he's acting more committed to that player than he is about winning. Odds are Favre will be their starting QB at the beginning of the year, if he's not and Rodgers sucks, this is the kind of thing that gets people fired...We'll see but right now I don't see any side as more right than the other, they both have their points but in the end they're a better team with Favre. As a Chiefs fan you should hope he comes back because it makes Rodgers an option for next season, a likely much better one than we currently have.
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