Chiefs Chiefs Blasted in Carolina, 34-0

Hammock Parties · 10-05-2008, 07:25 PM

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From the opening whistle, the Chiefs didn’t come to play Sunday. The defense was gashed and didn’t make enough plays despite coming up with two turnovers. But when you don’t have a quarterback, can’t rush the passer against two inexperienced tackles and don’t score points, generally you don’t win.

This was a new low for the Chiefs. Not only did they regress from their upset win a week ago against Denver, but based on the 34-0 blanking at the hands of the Carolina Panthers, Kansas City is back on track for another losing streak.

The problem could have been avoided months ago if the Chiefs had signed veteran free agent quarterback Chad Pennington and cut Damon Huard. They’d likely be at least 3-2 on the season, maybe in first place at this point.

The Chiefs’ biggest debacle so far hasn’t been losing to the Patriots, Raiders, Falcons or Panthers. It was letting Pennington get away. He wanted to come to Kansas City, but the Chiefs didn’t pull the trigger. Whether it was a coaching thing or a management thing, the bottom line is this season could have been different if Pennington was a Chief and not a Dolphin.

Pennington has taken a not-so-talented bunch of offensive players in Miami and put them in contention for the AFC East. If he were in Kansas City, the Chiefs would have beaten the Patriots and Raiders, along with Denver, and be 3-2.

Instead, Sunday we watched Huard, who appeared to be a quarterback who wasn’t ready or able to play the game. He was tentative, didn’t set his feet at times and threw several passes either up for grabs or towards Panthers defenders. From interceptions, to batted balls, to being hit, this was Huard’s worst game of the season and puts the question of who starts from here on out to rest.

Brodie Croyle is the starter for the remainder of 2008. Unless he’s in the hospital or out for the season with an injury, he’s the guy. Let’s see what he can finally do in a Chiefs uniform with a better offensive line and more options at running back.

This bye week should be critical for the Chiefs. Changes need to be made in the starting lineup. DaJuan Morgan should take Bernard Pollard’s spot at safety, and Herb Taylor should take over for Damion McIntosh at right tackle.

Running back Kolby Smith also deserves more carries. Sorry, but $45 million running backs who get out-rushed by third-round draft picks (Jamaal Charles – 18 yards) and backup quarterbacks (Tyler Thigpen – 16 yards) should give someone else a chance. Wade Smith could also replace Adrian Jones at guard. He’s been a valuable addition on special teams but deserves a shot at a starting spot.

Last but not least, Eric Price should be promoted to quarterbacks coach for Croyle’s sake the rest of the season. The Dick Curl experiment is over. He has to take some of the blame for the lack of preparedness his quarterbacks have shown at the beginning, middle and end of games this season. Price previously worked with Croyle at Alabama, was a brilliant offensive coordinator in college and has more to offer the Chiefs than coaching wide receivers.

Five to Remember -

DC Gunther Cunningham - His players either aren’t listening or he’s not reaching them. Cunningham will eat, sleep and live at Arrowhead the next two weeks because he will fix the defensive problems, but he needs to make some changes either in the class room, the practice field or on game days. I didn’t much care for the lack of aggression from the defense when the Panthers had any kind of long third down.

OC Chan Gailey - Sunday he seemed to have the same disease we saw the first two games of the season – an uncreative offensive game plan that was far too predictable. Gailey’s quarterback and running back didn’t do him any favors, but how about a reverse, flanker pass, pitch play, or anything? Gailey should be more aggressive when Croyle returns. He needs to open up the playbook. It can’t hurt at this point.

HC Herm Edwards - I don’t often get critical with the Head Coach, but today he should have pulled Huard sooner. He knows he’s not the answer and despite the win a week ago, Edwards should have just struggled along with Tyler Thigpen the last two weeks. Wins are important, but Edwards has job security.

QB Damon Huard - There were rumblings all week that he was hurt and those appear to be true based on today’s game. Huard was not ready to play and based on the fact he didn’t really practice much until Thursday, perhaps the rumored injuries were more severe than disclosed. Huard’s a class guy all the way but right now looks like a player who might be done.

kstater · 10-05-2008, 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by dumbass

The problem could have been avoided months ago if the Chiefs had signed veteran free agent quarterback Chad Pennington and cut Damon Huard. They’d likely be at least 3-2 on the season, maybe in first place at this point.

And you wonder why people don't respect WPI

ILChief · 10-05-2008, 07:31 PM

I wonder how much job security Herm really has. Following up a 4-12 with what looks to be fewer wins this year, especially with the lack of effort we saw today (plus vs. Oak and Atl) can't get him that much security. Barring a massive turnaround I think Clark has no choice but to get rid of Herm and Carl.

**cdcox** · 10-05-2008, 07:32 PM

Oh no, Herm has lost Nick Athan.

Mile High Mania · 10-05-2008, 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Claythan

Five to Remember -

DC Gunther Cunningham - His players either aren’t listening or he’s not reaching them. Cunningham will eat, sleep and live at Arrowhead the next two weeks because he will fix the defensive problems, but he needs to make some changes either in the class room, the practice field or on game days. I didn’t much care for the lack of aggression from the defense when the Panthers had any kind of long third down.

OC Chan Gailey - Sunday he seemed to have the same disease we saw the first two games of the season – an uncreative offensive game plan that was far too predictable. Gailey’s quarterback and running back didn’t do him any favors, but how about a reverse, flanker pass, pitch play, or anything? Gailey should be more aggressive when Croyle returns. He needs to open up the playbook. It can’t hurt at this point.

HC Herm Edwards - I don’t often get critical with the Head Coach, but today he should have pulled Huard sooner. He knows he’s not the answer and despite the win a week ago, Edwards should have just struggled along with Tyler Thigpen the last two weeks. Wins are important, but Edwards has job security.

QB Damon Huard - There were rumblings all week that he was hurt and those appear to be true based on today’s game. Huard was not ready to play and based on the fact he didn’t really practice much until Thursday, perhaps the rumored injuries were more severe than disclosed. Huard’s a class guy all the way but right now looks like a player who might be done.

1, 2, 3, 4... 5?

**the Talking Can** · 10-05-2008, 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Claythan

The problem could have been avoided months ago if the Chiefs had signed veteran free agent quarterback Chad Pennington and cut Damon Huard. They’d likely be at least 3-2 on the season, maybe in first place at this point.
.

what a merry band reeruns at wpi....thing is, True Fans actually believe this...

and worse, they think it would be a good thing...

this franchise, and a large portion of its fan base, needs to be obliterated so we can start over from scratch....

**banyon** · 10-05-2008, 07:37 PM

Chad Pennington would've saved our franchise!!!!111!1!

triple · 10-05-2008, 07:41 PM

our savior chad pennington... what a crockpot of fermented shit

Farzin · 10-05-2008, 07:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mile High Mania

1, 2, 3, 4... 5?

ClevelandBronco · 10-05-2008, 07:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Claythan

The problem could have been avoided months ago if the Chiefs had signed veteran free agent quarterback Chad Pennington and cut Damon Huard. They’d likely be at least 3-2 on the season, maybe in first place at this point.

This may be the dumbest statement I've ever read in my life.

Are you writing drunk?

**Bearcat** · 10-05-2008, 07:42 PM

-- Pennington has had two decent games, and do you know why?
Game 1: Loss. Pennington -- 250 yards. Dolphins rushing -- 50 yards.
Game 2: Loss. Pennington -- 112 yards. Dolphins rushing -- 72 yards.

Game 3: Win. Pennington -- 226 yards. Dolphins rushing -- 216 yards.
Game 4: Win. Pennington -- 228 yards. Dolphins rushing -- 167 yards.

Come on, man... you can't defend Huard between this game and last week and then write something like this. Pennington would have looked just as bad as Huard today because he would have gotten no protection and had no running game.

The Dolphins are a prime example outside of our current situation (which is another good example) of why it DOESN'T MATTER WHO YOUR QUARTERBACK IS if the players around him don't perform well.

Throw this away and write about how Chad Pennington is in the same situation as Huard and Croyle... and it's as clear as those 4 games above.

Hammock Parties · 10-05-2008, 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by ClevelandBronco

This may be the dumbest statement I've ever read in my life.

Are you writing drunk?

It's Nick's opinion, not mine.

I don't see it as totally without merit.

GoTrav · 10-05-2008, 07:47 PM

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but Edwards has job security.

lord help us, and yes Chad was the answer /killme

smittysbar · 10-05-2008, 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Mile High Mania

1, 2, 3, 4... 5?

Oh shit, that is to funny

ClevelandBronco · 10-05-2008, 07:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Claythan

It's Nick's opinion, not mine.

I don't see it as totally without merit.

How much merit do you see in this bullshit?

Is Nick writing drunk?

10-05-2008, 07:25 PM
Hammock Parties I'll be back. Join Date: Nov 2002 Casino cash: $1030478	Chiefs Blasted in Carolina, 34-0 http://kan.scout.com/2/797935.html From the opening whistle, the Chiefs didn’t come to play Sunday. The defense was gashed and didn’t make enough plays despite coming up with two turnovers. But when you don’t have a quarterback, can’t rush the passer against two inexperienced tackles and don’t score points, generally you don’t win. This was a new low for the Chiefs. Not only did they regress from their upset win a week ago against Denver, but based on the 34-0 blanking at the hands of the Carolina Panthers, Kansas City is back on track for another losing streak. The problem could have been avoided months ago if the Chiefs had signed veteran free agent quarterback Chad Pennington and cut Damon Huard. They’d likely be at least 3-2 on the season, maybe in first place at this point. The Chiefs’ biggest debacle so far hasn’t been losing to the Patriots, Raiders, Falcons or Panthers. It was letting Pennington get away. He wanted to come to Kansas City, but the Chiefs didn’t pull the trigger. Whether it was a coaching thing or a management thing, the bottom line is this season could have been different if Pennington was a Chief and not a Dolphin. Pennington has taken a not-so-talented bunch of offensive players in Miami and put them in contention for the AFC East. If he were in Kansas City, the Chiefs would have beaten the Patriots and Raiders, along with Denver, and be 3-2. Instead, Sunday we watched Huard, who appeared to be a quarterback who wasn’t ready or able to play the game. He was tentative, didn’t set his feet at times and threw several passes either up for grabs or towards Panthers defenders. From interceptions, to batted balls, to being hit, this was Huard’s worst game of the season and puts the question of who starts from here on out to rest. Brodie Croyle is the starter for the remainder of 2008. Unless he’s in the hospital or out for the season with an injury, he’s the guy. Let’s see what he can finally do in a Chiefs uniform with a better offensive line and more options at running back. This bye week should be critical for the Chiefs. Changes need to be made in the starting lineup. DaJuan Morgan should take Bernard Pollard’s spot at safety, and Herb Taylor should take over for Damion McIntosh at right tackle. Running back Kolby Smith also deserves more carries. Sorry, but $45 million running backs who get out-rushed by third-round draft picks (Jamaal Charles – 18 yards) and backup quarterbacks (Tyler Thigpen – 16 yards) should give someone else a chance. Wade Smith could also replace Adrian Jones at guard. He’s been a valuable addition on special teams but deserves a shot at a starting spot. Last but not least, Eric Price should be promoted to quarterbacks coach for Croyle’s sake the rest of the season. The Dick Curl experiment is over. He has to take some of the blame for the lack of preparedness his quarterbacks have shown at the beginning, middle and end of games this season. Price previously worked with Croyle at Alabama, was a brilliant offensive coordinator in college and has more to offer the Chiefs than coaching wide receivers. Five to Remember - DC Gunther Cunningham - His players either aren’t listening or he’s not reaching them. Cunningham will eat, sleep and live at Arrowhead the next two weeks because he will fix the defensive problems, but he needs to make some changes either in the class room, the practice field or on game days. I didn’t much care for the lack of aggression from the defense when the Panthers had any kind of long third down. OC Chan Gailey - Sunday he seemed to have the same disease we saw the first two games of the season – an uncreative offensive game plan that was far too predictable. Gailey’s quarterback and running back didn’t do him any favors, but how about a reverse, flanker pass, pitch play, or anything? Gailey should be more aggressive when Croyle returns. He needs to open up the playbook. It can’t hurt at this point. HC Herm Edwards - I don’t often get critical with the Head Coach, but today he should have pulled Huard sooner. He knows he’s not the answer and despite the win a week ago, Edwards should have just struggled along with Tyler Thigpen the last two weeks. Wins are important, but Edwards has job security. QB Damon Huard - There were rumblings all week that he was hurt and those appear to be true based on today’s game. Huard was not ready to play and based on the fact he didn’t really practice much until Thursday, perhaps the rumored injuries were more severe than disclosed. Huard’s a class guy all the way but right now looks like a player who might be done.
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10-05-2008, 07:31 PM	#3
ILChief MVP Join Date: Jan 2001 Casino cash: $7774831	I wonder how much job security Herm really has. Following up a 4-12 with what looks to be fewer wins this year, especially with the lack of effort we saw today (plus vs. Oak and Atl) can't get him that much security. Barring a massive turnaround I think Clark has no choice but to get rid of Herm and Carl.
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10-05-2008, 07:32 PM	#4
cdcox www.nfl-forecast.com Join Date: Sep 2000 Casino cash: $-458231	Oh no, Herm has lost Nick Athan.
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10-05-2008, 07:37 PM	#7
banyon Supporter Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Hermosa, SD Casino cash: $10176551	Chad Pennington would've saved our franchise!!!!111!1! __________________ “When war breaks out people say: 'It won't last, it's too stupid.' And war is certainly too stupid, but that doesn't prevent It from lasting.” ~Albert Camus, The Plague.
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10-05-2008, 07:41 PM	#8
triple Stop saying &quot;This.&quot; Join Date: Aug 2008 Casino cash: $10004900	our savior chad pennington... what a crockpot of fermented shit
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10-05-2008, 07:42 PM	#11
Bearcat Would an idiot do that? Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Arizona Casino cash: $-845069	-- Pennington has had two decent games, and do you know why? Game 1: Loss. Pennington -- 250 yards. Dolphins rushing -- 50 yards. Game 2: Loss. Pennington -- 112 yards. Dolphins rushing -- 72 yards. Game 3: Win. Pennington -- 226 yards. Dolphins rushing -- 216 yards. Game 4: Win. Pennington -- 228 yards. Dolphins rushing -- 167 yards. Come on, man... you can't defend Huard between this game and last week and then write something like this. Pennington would have looked just as bad as Huard today because he would have gotten no protection and had no running game. The Dolphins are a prime example outside of our current situation (which is another good example) of why it DOESN'T MATTER WHO YOUR QUARTERBACK IS if the players around him don't perform well. Throw this away and write about how Chad Pennington is in the same situation as Huard and Croyle... and it's as clear as those 4 games above. __________________
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