Chiefs Chiefs Blasted in Carolina, 34-0 - Page 6

Hammock Parties · 10-05-2008, 07:25 PM

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From the opening whistle, the Chiefs didn’t come to play Sunday. The defense was gashed and didn’t make enough plays despite coming up with two turnovers. But when you don’t have a quarterback, can’t rush the passer against two inexperienced tackles and don’t score points, generally you don’t win.

This was a new low for the Chiefs. Not only did they regress from their upset win a week ago against Denver, but based on the 34-0 blanking at the hands of the Carolina Panthers, Kansas City is back on track for another losing streak.

The problem could have been avoided months ago if the Chiefs had signed veteran free agent quarterback Chad Pennington and cut Damon Huard. They’d likely be at least 3-2 on the season, maybe in first place at this point.

The Chiefs’ biggest debacle so far hasn’t been losing to the Patriots, Raiders, Falcons or Panthers. It was letting Pennington get away. He wanted to come to Kansas City, but the Chiefs didn’t pull the trigger. Whether it was a coaching thing or a management thing, the bottom line is this season could have been different if Pennington was a Chief and not a Dolphin.

Pennington has taken a not-so-talented bunch of offensive players in Miami and put them in contention for the AFC East. If he were in Kansas City, the Chiefs would have beaten the Patriots and Raiders, along with Denver, and be 3-2.

Instead, Sunday we watched Huard, who appeared to be a quarterback who wasn’t ready or able to play the game. He was tentative, didn’t set his feet at times and threw several passes either up for grabs or towards Panthers defenders. From interceptions, to batted balls, to being hit, this was Huard’s worst game of the season and puts the question of who starts from here on out to rest.

Brodie Croyle is the starter for the remainder of 2008. Unless he’s in the hospital or out for the season with an injury, he’s the guy. Let’s see what he can finally do in a Chiefs uniform with a better offensive line and more options at running back.

This bye week should be critical for the Chiefs. Changes need to be made in the starting lineup. DaJuan Morgan should take Bernard Pollard’s spot at safety, and Herb Taylor should take over for Damion McIntosh at right tackle.

Running back Kolby Smith also deserves more carries. Sorry, but $45 million running backs who get out-rushed by third-round draft picks (Jamaal Charles – 18 yards) and backup quarterbacks (Tyler Thigpen – 16 yards) should give someone else a chance. Wade Smith could also replace Adrian Jones at guard. He’s been a valuable addition on special teams but deserves a shot at a starting spot.

Last but not least, Eric Price should be promoted to quarterbacks coach for Croyle’s sake the rest of the season. The Dick Curl experiment is over. He has to take some of the blame for the lack of preparedness his quarterbacks have shown at the beginning, middle and end of games this season. Price previously worked with Croyle at Alabama, was a brilliant offensive coordinator in college and has more to offer the Chiefs than coaching wide receivers.

Five to Remember -

DC Gunther Cunningham - His players either aren’t listening or he’s not reaching them. Cunningham will eat, sleep and live at Arrowhead the next two weeks because he will fix the defensive problems, but he needs to make some changes either in the class room, the practice field or on game days. I didn’t much care for the lack of aggression from the defense when the Panthers had any kind of long third down.

OC Chan Gailey - Sunday he seemed to have the same disease we saw the first two games of the season – an uncreative offensive game plan that was far too predictable. Gailey’s quarterback and running back didn’t do him any favors, but how about a reverse, flanker pass, pitch play, or anything? Gailey should be more aggressive when Croyle returns. He needs to open up the playbook. It can’t hurt at this point.

HC Herm Edwards - I don’t often get critical with the Head Coach, but today he should have pulled Huard sooner. He knows he’s not the answer and despite the win a week ago, Edwards should have just struggled along with Tyler Thigpen the last two weeks. Wins are important, but Edwards has job security.

QB Damon Huard - There were rumblings all week that he was hurt and those appear to be true based on today’s game. Huard was not ready to play and based on the fact he didn’t really practice much until Thursday, perhaps the rumored injuries were more severe than disclosed. Huard’s a class guy all the way but right now looks like a player who might be done.

**2112** · 10-05-2008, 08:46 PM

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The problem could have been avoided months ago if the Chiefs had signed veteran free agent quarterback Chad Pennington and cut Damon Huard. They’d likely be at least 3-2 on the season, maybe in first place at this point.

Absolute garbage. are you serious with this shit?

**The Bad Guy** · 10-05-2008, 08:47 PM

How in the **** can someone say this offense isn't Herm's doing?

Mike Solari was around a great offensive mind in Al Saunders. Mike had his nuts cut off by Herm.

Chan Gailey has always been a decent coordinator whereever he has been.

He comes here, and it looks the same as when Solari was here.

This is common ****ing sense. This is why I will rail on you every chance you give me because you are dumb as ****.

Herm's offenses in NY looked the same too.

What's the common theme?

Herman ****ing Edwards.

**The Bad Guy** · 10-05-2008, 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by D2112

Absolute garbage. are you serious with this shit?

Of course they are.

3-2 is what the true fans want. They want to be in first with an inferior roster so we could save Carl and Herm's ass again.

Signing Chad Pennington would have been a god damn nightmare for the fans because of that reason.

**2112** · 10-05-2008, 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by The Bad Guy

How in the f*** can someone say this offense isn't Herm's doing?

Mike Solari was around a great offensive mind in Al Saunders. Mike had his nuts cut off by Herm.

Chan Gailey has always been a decent coordinator whereever he has been.

He comes here, and it looks the same as when Solari was here.

This is common f***ing sense. This is why I will rail on you every chance you give me because you are dumb as f***.

Herm's offenses in NY looked the same too.

What's the common theme?

Herman f***ing Edwards.

Who is the common denominator regardless of who the OC with this offense?

Yes, Herm Edwards. only GoChiefs is dumb enough not to realize it.

**cdcox** · 10-05-2008, 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by KCJohnny

Gailey and Herm both have histories. The Hermanation of the AS offense seems to point to Herm as the common denominator. Herm has the O on a leash.

So this would be the Hermanation of the Ramzification of the Chiefs?

DaWolf · 10-05-2008, 08:56 PM

Herm has got to go. It doesn't matter anymore what happens from here on out. Bad coaching and management vs good coaching and management are what separate the Dolphins and Chiefs right now. Parcells knows how to win. Carl has no clue, and he hires people with no clue...

BigRock · 10-05-2008, 09:18 PM

I didn't think Nick could top his blockbuster Quinn/Boldin trade idea. Clearly, I sold him short.

Hammock Parties · 10-05-2008, 09:18 PM

Hell the Chiefs WERE talking to the Browns about Quinn.

Mecca · 10-05-2008, 09:21 PM

Do people really believe this crap?

ClevelandBronco · 10-05-2008, 09:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Claythan

Hell the Chiefs WERE talking to the Browns about Quinn.

Were they? Quinn will cost more than Chiefs would ever pay, so I'm trying to figure out why your idea matters.

RJ · 10-05-2008, 09:24 PM

Thank small g god for fantasy football.

**Dave Lane** · 10-05-2008, 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Mile High Mania

1, 2, 3, 4... 5?

He couldnt bring himself to include #5 which was Larry Johnson...

Dave

KCJohnny · 10-05-2008, 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by cdcox

So this would be the Hermanation of the Ramzification of the Chiefs?

Oh no, Ramifization ended midway through the 2002 season when DV discovered that 2 of his best weapons were the uMartzy TE and FB positions. Ramifization's big push was during the 2001 offseason.

Hermanation refers to the truncation of the playbook, implementation of BucBall (keep the score down, try to win on a late FG), leashing of the QB, and R2P2.

I don't know which I am more disgusted with, the BucBall O or this miserable excuse for a D running Cover 2.

Hootie · 10-05-2008, 09:45 PM

sorry GC, but this is a pretty ****ing bad article.

Nightfyre · 10-05-2008, 09:45 PM

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Originally Posted by KCJohnny

Oh no, Ramifization ended midway through the 2002 season when DV discovered that 2 of his best weapons were the uMartzy TE and FB positions. Ramifization's big push was during the 2000 offseason.

Hermanation refers to the truncation of the playbook, implementation of BucBall (keep the score down, try to win on a late FG), leashing of the QB, and R2P2.

I don't know which I am more disgusted with, the BucBall O or this miserable excuse for a D running Cover 2.

I find the whole Cover 2 scheme ridiculous. Call me old fashioned, but I loved the man-up blitz-down defenses of the past.

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Hammock Parties I'll be back. Join Date: Nov 2002 Casino cash: $1030478	Chiefs Blasted in Carolina, 34-0 http://kan.scout.com/2/797935.html From the opening whistle, the Chiefs didn’t come to play Sunday. The defense was gashed and didn’t make enough plays despite coming up with two turnovers. But when you don’t have a quarterback, can’t rush the passer against two inexperienced tackles and don’t score points, generally you don’t win. This was a new low for the Chiefs. Not only did they regress from their upset win a week ago against Denver, but based on the 34-0 blanking at the hands of the Carolina Panthers, Kansas City is back on track for another losing streak. The problem could have been avoided months ago if the Chiefs had signed veteran free agent quarterback Chad Pennington and cut Damon Huard. They’d likely be at least 3-2 on the season, maybe in first place at this point. The Chiefs’ biggest debacle so far hasn’t been losing to the Patriots, Raiders, Falcons or Panthers. It was letting Pennington get away. He wanted to come to Kansas City, but the Chiefs didn’t pull the trigger. Whether it was a coaching thing or a management thing, the bottom line is this season could have been different if Pennington was a Chief and not a Dolphin. Pennington has taken a not-so-talented bunch of offensive players in Miami and put them in contention for the AFC East. If he were in Kansas City, the Chiefs would have beaten the Patriots and Raiders, along with Denver, and be 3-2. Instead, Sunday we watched Huard, who appeared to be a quarterback who wasn’t ready or able to play the game. He was tentative, didn’t set his feet at times and threw several passes either up for grabs or towards Panthers defenders. From interceptions, to batted balls, to being hit, this was Huard’s worst game of the season and puts the question of who starts from here on out to rest. Brodie Croyle is the starter for the remainder of 2008. Unless he’s in the hospital or out for the season with an injury, he’s the guy. Let’s see what he can finally do in a Chiefs uniform with a better offensive line and more options at running back. This bye week should be critical for the Chiefs. Changes need to be made in the starting lineup. DaJuan Morgan should take Bernard Pollard’s spot at safety, and Herb Taylor should take over for Damion McIntosh at right tackle. Running back Kolby Smith also deserves more carries. Sorry, but $45 million running backs who get out-rushed by third-round draft picks (Jamaal Charles – 18 yards) and backup quarterbacks (Tyler Thigpen – 16 yards) should give someone else a chance. Wade Smith could also replace Adrian Jones at guard. He’s been a valuable addition on special teams but deserves a shot at a starting spot. Last but not least, Eric Price should be promoted to quarterbacks coach for Croyle’s sake the rest of the season. The Dick Curl experiment is over. He has to take some of the blame for the lack of preparedness his quarterbacks have shown at the beginning, middle and end of games this season. Price previously worked with Croyle at Alabama, was a brilliant offensive coordinator in college and has more to offer the Chiefs than coaching wide receivers. Five to Remember - DC Gunther Cunningham - His players either aren’t listening or he’s not reaching them. Cunningham will eat, sleep and live at Arrowhead the next two weeks because he will fix the defensive problems, but he needs to make some changes either in the class room, the practice field or on game days. I didn’t much care for the lack of aggression from the defense when the Panthers had any kind of long third down. OC Chan Gailey - Sunday he seemed to have the same disease we saw the first two games of the season – an uncreative offensive game plan that was far too predictable. Gailey’s quarterback and running back didn’t do him any favors, but how about a reverse, flanker pass, pitch play, or anything? Gailey should be more aggressive when Croyle returns. He needs to open up the playbook. It can’t hurt at this point. HC Herm Edwards - I don’t often get critical with the Head Coach, but today he should have pulled Huard sooner. He knows he’s not the answer and despite the win a week ago, Edwards should have just struggled along with Tyler Thigpen the last two weeks. Wins are important, but Edwards has job security. QB Damon Huard - There were rumblings all week that he was hurt and those appear to be true based on today’s game. Huard was not ready to play and based on the fact he didn’t really practice much until Thursday, perhaps the rumored injuries were more severe than disclosed. Huard’s a class guy all the way but right now looks like a player who might be done.
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The Bad Guy Scott Pioli Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: The Copacobana Casino cash: $9283645	How in the ** can someone say this offense isn't Herm's doing? Mike Solari was around a great offensive mind in Al Saunders. Mike had his nuts cut off by Herm. Chan Gailey has always been a decent coordinator whereever he has been. He comes here, and it looks the same as when Solari was here. This is common ing sense. This is why I will rail on you every chance you give me because you are dumb as . Herm's offenses in NY looked the same too. What's the common theme? Herman **ing Edwards. __________________
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