Chiefs Packers Also offered a 3rd Rounder - Page 4

Bill Lundberg · 10-15-2008, 10:48 AM

http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=806267

Bid to land Gonzalez falls short
Chiefs were willing to deal star tight end for second-round pick
By BOB McGINN
bmcginn@journalsentinel.com
Posted: Oct. 15, 2008
Green Bay - The Green Bay Packers could have acquired tight end Tony Gonzalez from the Kansas City Chiefs on Tuesday but they refused to part with a second-round draft choice.

A source familiar with negotiations told the Journal Sentinel that Chiefs President Carl Peterson ultimately decided to retain Gonzalez after turning down the best offer from Green Bay, which was a third-round selection. The source said Peterson wanted a second-rounder to make the deal.

The decision by general manager Ted Thompson not to send the second-round pick to Kansas City was made just minutes before the National Football League trading deadline of 3 p.m.

During a day of talks between Green Bay and Kansas City, the Packers increased their compensation offer several times. A source said Gonzalez had told the Chiefs that he would accept a trade to the Packers, and planned to play three more seasons.

This was another example of Thompson’s unwillingness to pull the trigger on a blockbuster trade to obtain another weapon on offense.
In 2006, Thompson had the chance to send a high draft choice to San Diego Chargers for running back Michael Turner.

A year later, Thompson didn’t push hard enough to get wide receiver Randy Moss under contract and watched the New England Patriots acquire him from the Oakland Raiders for a fourth-round selection.

Adam Schefter of the NFL Network reported that Philadelphia, the New York Giants and Buffalo also were negotiating with the Chiefs. He reported that one team offered a third-round pick, another team offered a fourth-round pick and another team offered an unidentified choice plus a player.

An NFL source told the Journal Sentinel that the Bills weren’t a factor because Gonzalez didn’t want to play for them.

According to the source, Gonzalez was livid that the rebuilding Chiefs (1-4), for whom he has caught tight-end record totals of 841 passes for 10,075 yards and 68 touchdowns, refused to let him go for a third-round pick.

Gonzalez, who made the Pro Bowl for a record ninth straight time last season, was highly regarded by coach Mike McCarthy and several members of his staff in Green Bay.

McCarthy coached quarterbacks in Kansas City in 1997 and ’98, Gonzalez’s first two seasons there. Several of his coaches, including Tom Clements, Mike Stock, Carl Hairston and Kurt Schottenheimer, also spent time in Kansas City during Gonzalez’s career, as did vice president Russ Ball and personnel director John Schneider.

As it stands now, the Packers will have their seven choices in the 2009 draft plus a sixth-round pick from New Orleans and no worse than a fourth-round pick from the New York Jets in the trade for Brett Favre.

The compensation for Favre reportedly will increase to a third if Favre plays at least 50% of the snaps, and to a second if he plays at least 70% and the Jets reach the playoffs.

If the trade with Green Bay had been consummated, the Packers would have picked up the final 3½ years of Gonzalez’s contract, or a total amount of $19.397 million.

This year, Green Bay would have had to pay 11/17ths of his guaranteed $1 million base salary, or $647,059. His contract included base salaries of $4 million in 2009 (all guaranteed), $4.5 million in 2010 ($1.75 million guaranteed) and $5.75 million in 2011, and roster bonuses of $500,000 in ’09, $2 million in ’10 and $2 million in ’11.

The Packers currently stand $20.05 million beneath the salary cap, a total exceeded by only Tampa Bay and Kansas City among the 32 teams.

By adding Gonzalez, the Packers’ weapons on offense would have compared favorably with any team in the NFL. His ability to make clutch possession catches and stretch the field was evident last season in Week 8, when he caught 10 passes for 109 yards and one touchdown against Green Bay.

Gonzalez recently requested a trade from the Chiefs because he wanted the chance to play for a playoff contender.

“I’m winding down in my career and I’m thinking this is not what I signed on for last year when I redid my deal,” Gonzalez said in August. “I haven’t even won a playoff game. You can look back and say you had a pretty good career, but I want to be able to say I went to the playoffs, I won some playoff games and I went to the Super Bowl.”

The Packers signed tight end Donald Lee to a four-year, $11.88 million deal last November when he was an integral part of their passing game. But Lee has been less involved with Aaron Rodgers at quarterback.

Tory Humphrey is the No. 2 tight end and rookie Jermichael Finley, a third-round draft choice, is No. 3. Finley has been slow to develop and doesn’t have a reception.

Under Thompson, the Packers have drafted eight players in the second round. The list include Nick Collins, Terrence Murphy, Daryn Colledge, Greg Jennings, Brandon Jackson, Jordy Nelson, Brian Brohm and Pat Lee.

Tom Silverstein of the Journal Sentinel staff contributed to this report.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 10-15-2008, 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman

Let's look at it like this.

Tony in his prime or Jerry Rice in his prime.

Who's more valuable?

Or another way.

The two greatest receivers in Chiefs history are Tony and Otis Taylor.

Tony's going to go into the HoF, Otis probably not.

In their primes, you couldn't trade Tony straight up for Otis.

Sure-Oz · 10-15-2008, 01:53 PM

I still dont get why Otis isnt in the hall

**Bowser** · 10-15-2008, 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by jjchieffan

I, personally, applaud Carl for standing firm. TG is worth more to this team than a 3rd round pick. TG is my favorite current Chief, and I would have been PISSED to see him go for anything less than a second. He wants out? Too bad. He should not have limited KC's choices on where he could go.

I get where you're coming from and what you're saying, but Tony does nothing for this team in the next two years. If there is a third founder out there for Tony, you take it, no questions asked.

beach tribe · 10-15-2008, 01:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by milkman

Let's look at it like this.

Tony in his prime or Jerry Rice in his prime.

Who's more valuable?

Or another way.

The two greatest receivers in Chiefs history are Tony and Otis Taylor.

Tony's going to go into the HoF, Otis probably not.

In their primes, you couldn't trade Tony straight up for Otis.

Your right MM, but Tony produces on the level of a top flight WR.

Tony at 26 probably would have a higher market value than Roy W. Unless some team makes abone-head move like Dallas did.

Dallas was dumb to give up that much for him.

PastorMikH · 10-15-2008, 01:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by milkman

Let's look at it like this.

Tony in his prime or Jerry Rice in his prime.

Who's more valuable?

[Herm]Tony. He's bigger and plays closer to the LOS, thus he can better block for the RB than a small WR downfield can do. Plus, I can use Tony to help the tackle block on those pesky 3rd and long situations.[/Herm]

Frankie · 10-15-2008, 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman

There is no idication that the Pack came real close.

The article says:

There is no indication whatsoever that the Pack even considered that 2nd rounder.

His market value was set.

Third round.

From the article:

"The decision by general manager Ted Thompson not to send the second-round pick to Kansas City was made just minutes before the National Football League trading deadline of 3 p.m. "

Frankie · 10-15-2008, 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman

TE is one of the least valuable positions on the football field.

I think that's a myth. Stram tried desparately to find a good TE after Fred Arbanas, and he failed. After him the Chiefs tried for years until drafting TG. It all depends on the TE's role in your offensive scheme. And Tony is almost another big WR anyway.

Frankie · 10-15-2008, 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Sure-Oz

If Carl wanted a 2nd so bad he could've thrown in a late rounder to get it

Or Thigpen.

philfree · 10-15-2008, 02:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by milkman

There is no idication that the Pack came real close.

The article says:

There is no indication whatsoever that the Pack even considered that 2nd rounder.

His market value was set.

Third round.

Sometimes a market won't bare what something is worth. In a case like that you don't sell. Tony is worth more to the Chiefs than what the market would bare so he's still a Chief. Also willliams isn't even in the same galaxy as Jerry Rice and Tony.

PhilFree

Frankie · 10-15-2008, 02:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sure-Oz

I still dont get why Otis isnt in the hall

Stats. It's a shame though.

BIG_DADDY · 10-15-2008, 02:14 PM

A 2nd rounder would have been a good trade for any contender that needs a good TE. It would have been good for everyone. Bottom line is he is worth a 2nd rounder all day long.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 10-15-2008, 02:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BIG_DADDY

A 2nd rounder would have been a good trade for any contender that needs a good TE. It would have been good for everyone. Bottom line is he is worth a 2nd rounder all day long.

Yep, that's exactly why no one offered a 2nd round pick.

You guys keep missing the boat.

Though you've been spoiled by the play of a great TE, it is a LUXURY position in the eyes of the NFL. A great, or for that matter, even GOOD TE is not a must for success.

Christ, the team everyone thinks is a perfect fit TRADED their TE, and went on to win the Super Bowl with his replacement.

How did the Patriots win all those championships without a great TE?

Bottom line is that he's NOT worth a 2nd rounder all day long, or all month long - or someone would have offered a 2nd round pick.

People are too butthurt to think about this logically. TG may be the best player on the team, but there are several guys on this team, right now, that would bring back more in a trade.

Zouk · 10-15-2008, 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

How did the Patriots win all those championships without a great TE?

The Patriots spent two 1st round picks on tight ends during their championship run. Belichick values the position very very highly.

**the Talking Can** · 10-15-2008, 02:31 PM

good thing we gave up a 3rd while supposedly rebuilding - not as if we could find a LB, OL, WR, etc.. with a 3rd - in order to keep a 32 yr old TE who plans to retire in a year...

Carl is clearly committed to the future...

this franchise sucks ass fart cheese

**OnTheWarpath15** · 10-15-2008, 02:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zouk

The Patriots spent two 1st round picks on tight ends during their championship run. Belichick values the position very very highly.

They could have spent a hundred picks on TE's.

We're any of them anywhere near the level of TG? Nope. Would either of those guys EVER been worth more than a 3rd round pick the second after they were darfted? Nope.

Drafting the best player available has nothing to do with this scenario.

None.

And what people don't get is that PAST TRADES don't have anything to do with this scenario either.

Just because the Saints were reeruned and completely overpaid for Shockey doesn't mean there is a league mandate that the next team has to give up the same, or more.

No one offered more than a 3rd. Carl called their bluff.

Carl lost.

Simple as that.

10-15-2008, 10:48 AM
Bill Lundberg American Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Overland Park Casino cash: $10004925	Packers Also offered a 3rd Rounder http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=806267 Bid to land Gonzalez falls short Chiefs were willing to deal star tight end for second-round pick By BOB McGINN bmcginn@journalsentinel.com Posted: Oct. 15, 2008 Green Bay - The Green Bay Packers could have acquired tight end Tony Gonzalez from the Kansas City Chiefs on Tuesday but they refused to part with a second-round draft choice. A source familiar with negotiations told the Journal Sentinel that Chiefs President Carl Peterson ultimately decided to retain Gonzalez after turning down the best offer from Green Bay, which was a third-round selection. The source said Peterson wanted a second-rounder to make the deal. The decision by general manager Ted Thompson not to send the second-round pick to Kansas City was made just minutes before the National Football League trading deadline of 3 p.m. During a day of talks between Green Bay and Kansas City, the Packers increased their compensation offer several times. A source said Gonzalez had told the Chiefs that he would accept a trade to the Packers, and planned to play three more seasons. This was another example of Thompson’s unwillingness to pull the trigger on a blockbuster trade to obtain another weapon on offense. In 2006, Thompson had the chance to send a high draft choice to San Diego Chargers for running back Michael Turner. A year later, Thompson didn’t push hard enough to get wide receiver Randy Moss under contract and watched the New England Patriots acquire him from the Oakland Raiders for a fourth-round selection. Adam Schefter of the NFL Network reported that Philadelphia, the New York Giants and Buffalo also were negotiating with the Chiefs. He reported that one team offered a third-round pick, another team offered a fourth-round pick and another team offered an unidentified choice plus a player. An NFL source told the Journal Sentinel that the Bills weren’t a factor because Gonzalez didn’t want to play for them. According to the source, Gonzalez was livid that the rebuilding Chiefs (1-4), for whom he has caught tight-end record totals of 841 passes for 10,075 yards and 68 touchdowns, refused to let him go for a third-round pick. Gonzalez, who made the Pro Bowl for a record ninth straight time last season, was highly regarded by coach Mike McCarthy and several members of his staff in Green Bay. McCarthy coached quarterbacks in Kansas City in 1997 and ’98, Gonzalez’s first two seasons there. Several of his coaches, including Tom Clements, Mike Stock, Carl Hairston and Kurt Schottenheimer, also spent time in Kansas City during Gonzalez’s career, as did vice president Russ Ball and personnel director John Schneider. As it stands now, the Packers will have their seven choices in the 2009 draft plus a sixth-round pick from New Orleans and no worse than a fourth-round pick from the New York Jets in the trade for Brett Favre. The compensation for Favre reportedly will increase to a third if Favre plays at least 50% of the snaps, and to a second if he plays at least 70% and the Jets reach the playoffs. If the trade with Green Bay had been consummated, the Packers would have picked up the final 3½ years of Gonzalez’s contract, or a total amount of $19.397 million. This year, Green Bay would have had to pay 11/17ths of his guaranteed $1 million base salary, or $647,059. His contract included base salaries of $4 million in 2009 (all guaranteed), $4.5 million in 2010 ($1.75 million guaranteed) and $5.75 million in 2011, and roster bonuses of $500,000 in ’09, $2 million in ’10 and $2 million in ’11. The Packers currently stand $20.05 million beneath the salary cap, a total exceeded by only Tampa Bay and Kansas City among the 32 teams. By adding Gonzalez, the Packers’ weapons on offense would have compared favorably with any team in the NFL. His ability to make clutch possession catches and stretch the field was evident last season in Week 8, when he caught 10 passes for 109 yards and one touchdown against Green Bay. Gonzalez recently requested a trade from the Chiefs because he wanted the chance to play for a playoff contender. “I’m winding down in my career and I’m thinking this is not what I signed on for last year when I redid my deal,” Gonzalez said in August. “I haven’t even won a playoff game. You can look back and say you had a pretty good career, but I want to be able to say I went to the playoffs, I won some playoff games and I went to the Super Bowl.” The Packers signed tight end Donald Lee to a four-year, $11.88 million deal last November when he was an integral part of their passing game. But Lee has been less involved with Aaron Rodgers at quarterback. Tory Humphrey is the No. 2 tight end and rookie Jermichael Finley, a third-round draft choice, is No. 3. Finley has been slow to develop and doesn’t have a reception. Under Thompson, the Packers have drafted eight players in the second round. The list include Nick Collins, Terrence Murphy, Daryn Colledge, Greg Jennings, Brandon Jackson, Jordy Nelson, Brian Brohm and Pat Lee. Tom Silverstein of the Journal Sentinel staff contributed to this report.
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