Chiefs The problem with Dorsey - Page 5

milkman · 10-29-2008, 10:51 AM

People have become concerned with Glen Dorsey, and fear that he may not be all that was expected.

Whitlock has pointed to his knee injuries as a possible explanation for his lack of production.

Some people have pointed out that he hasn't developed any moves, and others have talked about the fact that he tends to take a step back at the snap.

The biggest problem I see is that he has a tendency to lower his head when he attacks the LOS, and when he does that, the battle is all but lost.

Regardless, all of the technique errors are correctable, and when corrected, he will be a force.

But give him time.

He's a rookie.

It takes time.

EyePod · 10-29-2008, 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by KCUnited

A couple pics from Sunday.

Owned by Faneca.

Blown off the ball by Faneca.

I'd rather him being blown off the ball by a pro bowl (maybe HOF?) center than a scrub one.

Chiefnj2 · 10-29-2008, 03:07 PM

Which is worse, Dorsey being driven back 4 yards by one guy, or the other DT lying on his face with two Jets standing over him?

DaWolf · 10-29-2008, 03:14 PM

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The problem with Dorsey

2bikemike · 10-29-2008, 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by arc

Are the Chiefs' DT's and MLB taught to simply take on and occupy the blocker? In that second pic, the player in the middle of the field (I can't make out the number but I think it is Thomas), is ignoring the runner and looking directly at #65. There is absolutely nobody behind him to tackle the runner.

That is showing his complete lack of awareness of what is happening on the field. At this point he should know who has the ball and he should be making his move toward the ball carrier. Its no wonder why they keep getting gashed for the big gainer.

TEX · 10-29-2008, 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

DT takes longer to develop than any position on the defense. I'm not concerned about him in the least.

Whitlock is just stirring shit.

The same kind of shit as Ryan Sims?

chiefsngop · 10-29-2008, 04:15 PM

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The same kind of shit as Ryan Sims?

IMO it's the same kind of shit as Mario Williams first year in the league.

DT is alot like a pro baseball players batting average with .300 being good.

Hitting the ball just 3 out of 10 times is considered good.

A DT whose pass rush sacks the QB once out of every 20-25 plays would lead to very impressive statistics.

It's a tough learning curve even for a college great like Dorsey, and with our coaching staff the learning curve and time it takes will be even tougher and longer for him.

Halfcan · 10-29-2008, 06:40 PM

Dorsey is not getting it done. He is getting pushed around like Simms. He looks like a Major bust thus far.

FAX · 10-29-2008, 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Halfcan

Dorsey is not getting it done. He is getting pushed around like Simms. He looks like a Major bust thus far.

It's way too early to say that, Mr. Halfcan. Surely you realize that.

The broken record keeps saying it's a coaching/player development issue. I wonder if there's anyone in the Chiefs' front office who even recognizes that could even potentially be the problem, though.

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Halfcan · 10-29-2008, 06:50 PM

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Originally Posted by FAX

It's way too early to say that, Mr. Halfcan. Surely you realize that.

The broken record keeps saying it's a coaching/player development issue. I wonder if there's anyone in the Chiefs' front office who even recognizes that could even potentially be the problem, though.

FAX

I just wish he would show a few flashes of why he is getting a bizillion bucks for 14 tackles??

dorsey has been even worse than Simms at this point.

FAX · 10-29-2008, 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Halfcan

I just wish he would show a few flashes of why he is getting a bizillion bucks for 14 tackles??

dorsey has been even worse than Simms at this point.

I can't argue that Dorsey has performed below inititial expectations. Well, I could, but it would be stupid and I'm supposed to be in stupid recovery.

My biggest concern in respect to Dorsey is two-fold: 1) His knees are much worse than we've been told or 2) We simply cannot teach a DT how to improve his game in order to compete at the NFL level.

Last week, I went back and looked at all the defensive linemen we've drafted over the past 6 or 7 years, or so. It's a pretty long list and none of them have really panned out (except for JA and he was really drafted as a long-snapper). Even the somewhat highly touted Hali has disappointed.

What that tells me is that, it really doesn't matter who we draft or where we draft them. If we don't get lucky with a guy like Allen, those guys are not going to improve ... or even last. I would think that the law of averages would come into play eventually and that at least one of those guys would develop into an impact player - but they haven't.

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chiefzilla1501 · 10-29-2008, 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman

That may well be, but the thing is, once Dorsey lowers his head, he loses vision, and gives the O-Lineman leverage advantage by default.

When he was drafted, one of the big knocks on him was that he often exploded into the backfield by bullrushing. Many scouts thought he had a limited number of pass rush moves.

I have to agree with you. Whitlock is wrong if he thinks this is all about his knees. This is about coaching a talented DT to get out of some bad habits he developed in college, which often happens when he face inferior competition. I think as he learns, he becomes tentative, which is probably why he often takes a step backward.

Dorsey has a good work ethic and he's explosive. Those are things you can't coach. I think there's a good chance he works his way out of it, and he's one of very many talented tackles to struggle in their rookie season.

I also agree... I'm not sure what to think of Krumrie. I think he, like Gun, is another one of those guys that gets too much street cred because he likes to yell, but all I care about is if he can coach.

chiefzilla1501 · 10-29-2008, 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Halfcan

I just wish he would show a few flashes of why he is getting a bizillion bucks for 14 tackles??

dorsey has been even worse than Simms at this point.

While I understand your point, I encourage you to look at the rookie stats of virtually every pro bowl or star defensive tackle including Warren Sapp. Very few of these guys made any real impact their rookie season. In fact, Dorsey's stats are right on pace with the others.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 10-29-2008, 07:12 PM

Has anyone actually seen what most rookie DT's do in this league?

Christ.

He's leading all rookie DTs in tackles, and only two rookie DTs even have a goddamned sack.

FAX · 10-29-2008, 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

... I think he, like Gun, is another one of those guys that gets too much street cred because he likes to yell, but all I care about is if he can coach.

Absolutismish, Mr. chiefzilla1501. I also don't like that silly slap-happy test he gives the players. Jesus. Take that spastic crap back to girl's school.

FAX

milkman · 10-29-2008, 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Halfcan

Dorsey is not getting it done. He is getting pushed around like Simms. He looks like a Major bust thus far.

We should have drafted Trevor Laws.

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