Chiefs Trade LJ to N.E? - Page 5

cardken · 11-20-2008, 12:53 PM

It looks like Larry Johnson's days in KC are over, too many bridges have been burnt and his relationship with the organization seems tarnished. With that said, how would a trade for him to New England sound for a second round pick in this years draft. It seems logical because:

KC has Jamaal Charles and Kolby Smith

NE has been known to take chances on players (i.e. Randy Moss, Rodney Harrison, Corey Dillon)

KC is young and rebuilding so draft picks are very valuable

NE has San Diego's 2nd round pick in 2009

Laurence Maroney has not been able to carry the load for a whole season and would benefit from a joint backfield like in college (Marion Barber)

Johnny Vegas · 11-21-2008, 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefaholic

Why are so many people so damn negative all the time? The same people clammering that LJ has no trade value, are the same people that said Hall, Tynes, and Sims had no trade value. Somebody out there will give a 2nd for Larry.

I'd say about 60-80 members on here are negative about LJ. Squeaky wheels are the loudest.

BigRock · 11-21-2008, 04:59 PM

ESPN The Magazine actually floats this in their latest issue. A "Don't be surprised if Belichick goes after Larry Johnson" type rumor, likening it to the Pats adding Corey Dillon a few years ago.

KCChiefsMan · 11-21-2008, 05:06 PM

they might do it, they did it with Correy Dillon and it worked out pretty good for them

cardken · 11-22-2008, 07:06 AM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

That NE learns from their mistakes?

What mistake? Dillon preformed and got them Championship. Much like Johnson, Dillon was a major malcontent, and once on a winning team ws quiet and preformed magnificently.

cardken · 11-22-2008, 07:08 AM

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Originally Posted by suds79

cardken,

Here's the easiest way to answer that question.

Would you give up a 2nd rounder for LJ? No? Then there's your answer.

I'm not in the market for a RB, NE will be Mulroney is a career injury prone player.

**the Talking Can** · 11-22-2008, 07:14 AM

lj's effort and attitude are damaging to this team....

we can't afford not to get rid of his lazy, quitter, selfish, chick bashing ass....

ha has to go

cardken · 11-22-2008, 07:19 AM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Conditional 6th that could become a 5th is the absolute most a team with give up for an almost 30 year-old running back with off the field issues.

I think it's more likely he ends up in Dallas, Tampa Bay or maybe Cleveland.

You could be right about where he winds up, but in 2004 when Patriots traded for Dillon, he was 30 as well (2004). born Oct. 24, 1974. Larry Johnson born Nov. 10, 1979. 30 years old.

cardken · 11-22-2008, 07:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun

I think the most we're going to get is a conditional pick for LJ based on production.

It could go as high as a 2nd if he gets elected to the Pro Bowl (which I think he's still capable), or as low as a 6th if he doesn't even break 800 yards or something.

Dillons last year in Cincy had 541 yards in 13 games, w/ 2 TD's. No Pro Bowl there, and were given 2 rd pick. History often repeats itself.

cardken · 11-22-2008, 07:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Alphaman

Fair enough. Let's be clear. I think he is replaceable, but I think we have too many holes to fill to spend time, energy, money and/or draft picks on his spot when we have him already.

What's the hurry, "we're rebuilding", isn't that the War Cry of this Message Board, were a young team, 2-3 years from seriously competing. Johnson would be 34 by then, and gives you time to build your line in place of getting your RB, look the line dictates the run, ask the Broncos, how many 1000yd rushers have they send through that mill.

cardken · 11-22-2008, 07:40 AM

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Originally Posted by BigRock

ESPN The Magazine actually floats this in their latest issue. A "Don't be surprised if Belichick goes after Larry Johnson" type rumor, likening it to the Pats adding Corey Dillon a few years ago.

Thank You!!!!

Rasputin · 11-22-2008, 07:46 AM

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Originally Posted by cardken

Love the positive feedback from of this board. Be positive.

NE gave a fourth for MR. Randy Moss we'de be lucky to get a 6th or seventh round pick, wouldn't that be great

Better than

Alphaman · 11-22-2008, 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by cardken

What's the hurry, "we're rebuilding", isn't that the War Cry of this Message Board, were a young team, 2-3 years from seriously competing. Johnson would be 34 by then, and gives you time to build your line in place of getting your RB, look the line dictates the run, ask the Broncos, how many 1000yd rushers have they send through that mill.

I've looked at a couple of rebuilds in the current NFL. The model is this:

A team begins with a top 10 draft pick.
The team continues to decline and ends up with an even higher draft pick.
The team then improves to be competitive the next year battling for the playoffs or even making it.
The team improves to be a serious contender for the superbowl.

The best example is the Titans. Their rebuild began 4 years ago and is now in the contend for the SB phase.

The other examples would be the Dolphins and the Falcons. Both teams are coming off the even higher draft pick phase and are competive battling for the playoffs.

The Chiefs should compete next year. The Chiefs should compete next year if the rebuild will be successful. If they don't then Herm needs to go and they need to start over with another coach.

cardken · 11-22-2008, 11:10 AM

I would agree with you about the Dolphins and Falcons, key points being top draft picks panning out (Matt Ryan), and new competent Head Coaches. The Titans however not so much. They had every intension of running with Young, when that went south, they relayed on a veteran Quarterback in Collins. And also did a lot of FA signing in Kearse, Mc Carriens,& Crumpler. They also the recepiants of a "perfect storm", in a week schedule and a weak division this year. But your "blueprint" can work, QFT. But my original argument being Johnson for the Chiefs is expendible and has value out there.
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**DaneMcCloud** · 11-22-2008, 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefaholic

Why are so many people so damn negative all the time? The same people clammering that LJ has no trade value, are the same people that said Hall, Tynes, and Sims had no trade value. Somebody out there will give a 2nd for Larry.

You're smoking crack.

No one and I mean NO ONE will give the Chiefs a 2nd round pick for a nearly 30 year-old RB with serious off the field issues.

Those players you listed above were traded for 7th round picks with the exception of Hall, who's played like a 7th rounder since being traded.

The Chiefs will be lucky to get a conditional 6th for Johnson.

LUCKY.

CoMoChief · 11-22-2008, 12:06 PM

There aren't many teams ....if any that would give us a 2nd rd pick for LJ.

NE for sure isn't one of them. They run a spread type offense which req the RB to block........not exactly LJ's strongest ability.

11-20-2008, 12:53 PM
cardken Veteran Join Date: Nov 2006 Casino cash: $10004900	Trade LJ to N.E? It looks like Larry Johnson's days in KC are over, too many bridges have been burnt and his relationship with the organization seems tarnished. With that said, how would a trade for him to New England sound for a second round pick in this years draft. It seems logical because: KC has Jamaal Charles and Kolby Smith NE has been known to take chances on players (i.e. Randy Moss, Rodney Harrison, Corey Dillon) KC is young and rebuilding so draft picks are very valuable NE has San Diego's 2nd round pick in 2009 Laurence Maroney has not been able to carry the load for a whole season and would benefit from a joint backfield like in college (Marion Barber)
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11-22-2008, 11:10 AM	#73
cardken Veteran Join Date: Nov 2006 Casino cash: $10004900	I would agree with you about the Dolphins and Falcons, key points being top draft picks panning out (Matt Ryan), and new competent Head Coaches. The Titans however not so much. They had every intension of running with Young, when that went south, they relayed on a veteran Quarterback in Collins. And also did a lot of FA signing in Kearse, Mc Carriens,& Crumpler. They also the recepiants of a "perfect storm", in a week schedule and a weak division this year. But your "blueprint" can work, QFT. But my original argument being Johnson for the Chiefs is expendible and has value out there. "
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CoMoChief Mahomes Dynasty Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Parts Unknown Casino cash: $7702254	There aren't many teams ....if any that would give us a 2nd rd pick for LJ. NE for sure isn't one of them. They run a spread type offense which req the RB to block........not exactly LJ's strongest ability. __________________
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