NFL Draft Sanchez is on KABC-LA: Draft decision coming - Page 20

**DaneMcCloud** · 01-04-2009, 07:29 PM

He stated that he'll decide in the next 3-4 days whether he'll return to USC or enter the NFL Draft.

When asked whether a possible USC National Championship awaits him in 2009: "USC is in that position every year".

I think he'll enter the draft.

Sweet Daddy Hate · 01-05-2009, 03:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by eazyb81

Agree. Sanchez has all the tools, but the lack of experience concerns me, along with the fact he hasn't really faced any adversity in his playing career.

Define "adversity" in this case please.

Sweet Daddy Hate · 01-05-2009, 03:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

About the same as what happened in Los Angeles in September.

Who's playing tonight?

**OnTheWarpath15** · 01-05-2009, 03:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Darth CarlSatan

Who's playing tonight?

Ohio State/Texas.

eazyb81 · 01-05-2009, 03:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Darth CarlSatan

Define "adversity" in this case please.

Playing for a team like USC that is loaded with talent and always the favorite, you rarely are put in opportunities where you need to perservere against difficult odds. USC is always the favorite, always has more talent, and the goal is basically to not choke.

That's different than what someone like Matt Ryan, Eli Manning, Jay Cutler, etc. had to deal with in college, and I wonder if that lack of adversity has limited his growth.

Sweet Daddy Hate · 01-05-2009, 03:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Ohio State/Texas.

Excellent. Thank you.

**DaneMcCloud** · 01-05-2009, 04:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by eazyb81

That's different than what someone like Matt Ryan, Eli Manning, Jay Cutler, etc. had to deal with in college, and I wonder if that lack of adversity has limited his growth.

Limited his growth? Starting for a year and half for one of the best overall football teams in the country could somehow limit his growth?

This makes no sense. Are you implying that good QB's who play for shitty teams are ready-made for the NFL? If so, why did it take Eli Manning nearly four full seasons before the game began to click for him?

I'm sorry but this is a completely illogical viewpoint.

Sweet Daddy Hate · 01-05-2009, 04:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by eazyb81

Playing for a team like USC that is loaded with talent and always the favorite, you rarely are put in opportunities where you need to perservere against difficult odds. USC is always the favorite, always has more talent, and the goal is basically to not choke.

That's different than what someone like Matt Ryan, Eli Manning, Jay Cutler, etc. had to deal with in college, and I wonder if that lack of adversity has limited his growth.

I'll agree that they don't have to play Oregon every week, and in the case of a lesser athlete the concern is a valid one.
That said, I scarcely doubt you put Sanchez behind the Chiefs O-Line as it stands right now, and everything he has learned just crumbles to dust as the wheels fall off the wagon.

I'm sure our rookies who came from winning programs didn't much care for going 2-14, but that's not going to make them call it quits and give up. If Sanchez becomes the Chiefs QBOTF, he'll roll with the punches and more than likely adapt faster than any other guy we could pick this year.

Sweet Daddy Hate · 01-05-2009, 04:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Darth CarlSatan

I'll agree that they don't have to play Oregon every week, and in the case of a lesser athlete the concern is a valid one.
That said, I scarcely doubt you put Sanchez behind the Chiefs O-Line as it stands right now, and everything he has learned just crumbles to dust as the wheels fall off the wagon.

I'm sure our rookies who came from winning programs didn't much care for going 2-14, but that's not going to make them call it quits and give up. If Sanchez becomes the Chiefs QBOTF, he'll roll with the punches and more than likely adapt faster than any other guy we could pick this year.

ADDENDUM:

How the **** could I forget this?!

Who's the coach of that team Mark plays for? Has he coached at the pro level before?

Exactly.

eazyb81 · 01-05-2009, 04:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Limited his growth? Starting for a year and half for one of the best overall football teams in the country could somehow limit his growth?

No, what I said is that his lack of adversity could limit his growth. Playing on a team that is loaded with talent is great in college, but I'm not at all convinced it's a great environment for a college QB. He hasn't had any adversity in his playing career, and no matter who he goes to next year, he's going to have a ton of adversity. Is he prepared for that?

Quote:

This makes no sense. Are you implying that good QB's who play for shitty teams are ready-made for the NFL? If so, why did it take Eli Manning nearly four full seasons before the game began to click for him?

I'm sorry but this is a completely illogical viewpoint.

No it's not. Physical talent being equal, a QB that has not faced adversity and has great players around him that help him win will be less prepared for the NFL than a QB that had the burden of being "the man" on his team and his team's only hope to win.

The latter player was not insulated in a comfortable environment, and should be more capable of handling the obvious adversity new QBs in the NFL face.

**DaneMcCloud** · 01-05-2009, 04:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by eazyb81

No, what I said is that his lack of adversity could limit his growth. Playing on a team that is loaded with talent is great in college, but I'm not at all convinced it's a great environment for a college QB. He hasn't had any adversity in his playing career, and no matter who he goes to next year, he's going to have a ton of adversity. Is he prepared for that?

No it's not. Physical talent being equal, a QB that has not faced adversity and has great players around him that help him win will be less prepared for the NFL than a QB that had the burden of being "the man" on his team and his team's only hope to win.

The latter player was not insulated in a comfortable environment, and should be more capable of handling the obvious adversity new QBs in the NFL face.

Yeah, those guys Elway, Marino, Montana, Young, Peyton Manning, Troy Aikman, Tom Brady - whew, those guys had it TOUGH in college.

JFC.

Chiefnj2 · 01-05-2009, 04:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Yeah, those guys Elway, Marino, Montana, Young, Peyton Manning, Troy Aikman, Tom Brady - whew, those guys had it TOUGH in college.

JFC.

Do you realize that if you put Marino's college stats on a QB today nobody on this board would want to draft him?

**OnTheWarpath15** · 01-05-2009, 04:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

Do you realize that if you put Marino's college stats on a QB today nobody on this board would want to draft him?

Yeah, because the game hasn't changed a bit in 25 years.

eazyb81 · 01-05-2009, 04:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Darth CarlSatan

I'll agree that they don't have to play Oregon every week, and in the case of a lesser athlete the concern is a valid one.
That said, I scarcely doubt you put Sanchez behind the Chiefs O-Line as it stands right now, and everything he has learned just crumbles to dust as the wheels fall off the wagon.

I'm sure our rookies who came from winning programs didn't much care for going 2-14, but that's not going to make them call it quits and give up. If Sanchez becomes the Chiefs QBOTF, he'll roll with the punches and more than likely adapt faster than any other guy we could pick this year.

You're exaggerating like usual. I never said he "crumbles to the wagon" - I said there's a chance he would be less prepared than a similarly talented QB that did not play with such talented players.

Just like in real life, facing adversity and fighting through tough situations makes players stronger. If a player hasn't had the opportunity to face many tough situations or have the entire team's expectations on his shoulders, then the NFL could be a shock to him.

There is a reason why guys like Leinart, Vince Young, Rex Grossman, and Jamarcus Russell - guys that have come from football factories - have looked like busts early in their career. I don't think it's all just a lack of tools on their part.

**DaneMcCloud** · 01-05-2009, 04:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

Do you realize that if you put Marino's college stats on a QB today nobody on this board would want to draft him?

Well, it's safe to say that practically no one "on this board" wanted Ryan last year either. Or Flacco.

So with all due respect save for a few people, I generally disregard 99% of the "opinions" around here regarding the draft.

Brock · 01-05-2009, 04:17 PM

They'd still be trying to break Marino's records if he played CFB the way it is now.

01-04-2009, 07:29 PM
DaneMcCloud Supporter Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Hollywood, CA Casino cash: $10053648	Sanchez is on KABC-LA: Draft decision coming He stated that he'll decide in the next 3-4 days whether he'll return to USC or enter the NFL Draft. When asked whether a possible USC National Championship awaits him in 2009: "USC is in that position every year". I think he'll enter the draft.
Posts: 88,960

01-05-2009, 04:17 PM	#300
Brock Say hello to my little friend Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Larryville Casino cash: $9598422	They'd still be trying to break Marino's records if he played CFB the way it is now.
Posts: 47,314