Chiefs Cassel or Sanchez? - Page 12

KCBOSS1 · 04-11-2009, 06:45 PM

I realize that we are where we are, but the more I see about Sanchez, the more I'm afraid that a few years down the road, we may look back and realize that we passed up on the franchise guy that we've been looking for. I know that Cassel played ok last year, but is he a franchise guy? ...likely not. Thoughts?

KCBOSS1 · 04-11-2009, 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by CrazyHorse

The hype machine claims another.

By the way, I started this thread because, you're right, the hype was affecting me.....still is. I was looking for some good Cassel arguments to make me feel better about where we are. Cause I'm not sure that I do.

KCBOSS1 · 04-11-2009, 08:17 PM

....as if it mattered.

CrazyHorse · 04-11-2009, 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by KCBOSS1

Maybe I should say, "better take a risk than guarantee mediocre" It's not necessarily hype, right? I think I trumped you on the whole opinion of Cutler and what he could do back when he was coming out of college. Conceed?

Absolutely not. He still hasn't done nothing. And it looks like he's the next Jeff George.

I never said he couldn't throw the ball. I said he's done nothing in the NFL. He still hasn't. He may even wind up being the next TO. His own equalizer. Stay tuned.

KCBOSS1 · 04-11-2009, 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by CrazyHorse

It's the trenches thhat make pr break NFL QBs. Many thought Trent Green was a system QB. He was in a system that lead the league if thats the case. Cassel has shown that he can learn on the run, He's worth the effort. Especially after giving up the 2nd for him. Had we not traded for him, the arguement would carry more weight. Though I am not sold on Sanchez in particular.

Cassel is our boy. Let's give him the bast chance to succeed by putting talent around him on both sides of the ball.

No place for buyers remorse now. Time to get behind him, like we did Green.

lol...really good point. Still...like the argument.

CrazyHorse · 04-11-2009, 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by KCBOSS1

By the way, I started this thread because, you're right, the hype was affecting me.....still is. I was looking for some good Cassel arguments to make me feel better about where we are. Cause I'm not sure that I do.

I didn't feel that great about Priest Holmes.

So there ya go.

Ya never know. Sanchez certainly doesn't make me feel more confident than a player who has shown he can play at an NFL level.

KCBOSS1 · 04-11-2009, 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by CrazyHorse

Absolutely not. He still hasn't done nothing. And it looks like he's the next Jeff George.

I never said he couldn't throw the ball. I said he's done nothing in the NFL. He still hasn't. He may even wind up being the next TO. His own equalizer. Stay tuned.

Hasn't done anything, meaning what? Hasn't won a superbowl or a playoff game? Cause, he peformed excellent last year. TO doesn't count that much. If this guy plays for any other team than the Broncos you would see him differently. Stay tuned.

CrazyHorse · 04-11-2009, 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by KCBOSS1

lol...really good point. Still...like the argument.

Ywo words

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**Reaper16** · 04-11-2009, 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by CrazyHorse

It's the trenches thhat make pr break NFL QBs. Many thought Trent Green was a system QB. He was in a system that lead the league if thats the case. Cassel has shown that he can learn on the run, He's worth the effort. Especially after giving up the 2nd for him. Had we not traded for him, the arguement would carry more weight. Though I am not sold on Sanchez in particular.

Cassel is our boy. Let's give him the bast chance to succeed by putting talent around him on both sides of the ball.

No place for buyers remorse now. Time to get behind him, like we did Green.

And we didn't win squat with Green and that line.

I'm not interested in building a good team. I'm interested in building a championship team.

milkman · 04-11-2009, 08:22 PM

Great QBs transcend systems.

Joe Montana may not have been as great if not in San Farn, but we saw what he did for the Chiefs in his short time there.

Tom Brady has evolved as the system in NE has evolved.

Give me a great QB and I'll take my chances, regardless of system.

KCBOSS1 · 04-11-2009, 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by CrazyHorse

I didn't feel that great about Priest Holmes.

So there ya go.

Ya never know. Sanchez certainly doesn't make me feel more confident than a player who has shown he can play at an NFL level.

You're right. That's what I'm hoping for. Again, not against Cassel.

KCBOSS1 · 04-11-2009, 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman

Great QBs transcend systems.

Joe Montana may not have been as great if not in San Farn, but we saw what he did for the Chiefs in his short time there.

Tom Brady has evolved as the system in NE has evolved.

Give me a great QB and I'll take my chances, regardless of system.

Montana did good in KC...He was great in San Francisco behind that line, within that system. Steve Young was also great there. Even Grbac looked good there and look how stellar he was for us.

Messier · 04-11-2009, 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

Oh please we all know that Randy didn't give 2 shits when he was there, it's not remotely the same.

Really? Do you think moss had a moment after Brady went down that he thought, the season's over, might as well phone in the rest of the season? I'm not saying this happed but it's possible, and as the season went along Moss and the rest of the team saw that Cassel could play well?

I watched Cassel play, and I don't think he was a "system" player, or just relying on the talent around him. He made plays work that weren't working. He wasn't just throwing to wide open receivers all day. He was making accurate passes sometimes on the run, because the o-line wasn't that good for them last year.

CrazyHorse · 04-11-2009, 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by KCBOSS1

Hasn't done anything, meaning what? Hasn't won a superbowl or a playoff game? Cause, he peformed excellent last year. TO doesn't count that much. If this guy plays for any other team than the Broncos you would see him differently. Stay tuned.

He choked down the stretch last year. Probably the hangover. Cost Shanny his job.

He's a loose cannnon.

His offense was top 2 or 3 in moving the ball but 16th in scoring.

KCBOSS1 · 04-11-2009, 08:26 PM

Great quartebacks can sometimes transcend systems. I personally think that there are quarterbacks that could have been great, but the systems killed them before they ever had the opportunity.

Sweet Daddy Hate · 04-11-2009, 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Bearcat2005

Based off only your assumptions pal. It seems to me that we need to see Cassel play another year (In a Chiefs uni) before we can evaluate him.

Ah yes, hurry up and wait. The great crutch argument of our time.

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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO

not scary to me, shows what an athlete he is, and shows he's got a competitive streak. he saw that he couldnt beat out leinart(fair or not) and wanted to play. shows his character IMO

That's quite "Tebowish" of you Sauto, and it inspires miles of confidence in my football-loving soul.

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Originally Posted by CrazyHorse

The hype machine claims another.

At this point, I would like to take a moment to thank Carl Peterson for single-handidly creating quite possibly the most jello-brained, ass-backward fan base in the History of Professional Sports.
I would also like to acknowledge his lasting, herpes-like effect on the Chiefs Nation. We're chugging along, starting to think straight and cleansing ourselves of two decades of idiocy, and then our Carl-Herpes kicks in.
The brain shuts down, and we're getting in a tizzy over a ****ing lineman;
A LINEMAN!
So thank you Carl, and may your balls be roasted over a fire while a lost Amazon Rain Jungle Tribe shrinks your worthless ****ing head for use as a spear ornament.

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milkman Dumbass! Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Leading the Marty bashing Casino cash: $10029395	Great QBs transcend systems. Joe Montana may not have been as great if not in San Farn, but we saw what he did for the Chiefs in his short time there. Tom Brady has evolved as the system in NE has evolved. Give me a great QB and I'll take my chances, regardless of system. __________________
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KCBOSS1 RAISE EM RIGHT Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Arkansas Casino cash: $10005366	Great quartebacks can sometimes transcend systems. I personally think that there are quarterbacks that could have been great, but the systems killed them before they ever had the opportunity.
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