Chiefs Cassel or Sanchez? - Page 23

KCBOSS1 · 04-11-2009, 06:45 PM

I realize that we are where we are, but the more I see about Sanchez, the more I'm afraid that a few years down the road, we may look back and realize that we passed up on the franchise guy that we've been looking for. I know that Cassel played ok last year, but is he a franchise guy? ...likely not. Thoughts?

milkman · 04-12-2009, 08:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Messier

I think Cassel is better than Anderson, just based on what I've seen, as well as what team mates have said about him.

You could be right.

chiefzilla1501 · 04-12-2009, 08:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Messier

I think Cassel is better than Anderson, just based on what I've seen, as well as what team mates have said about him.

Agreed. For several reasons. Anderson actually had pretty decent protection two seasons ago. Many think that a big reason he slipped last year was that he got rung up on one play and never seemed to be the same after that.

But it should also be noted that Anderson is also a gunslinger. Even though he had a supposedly great season in 2007, he also made a lot of really dumb mistakes. Even though he had a pro bowl season in 2007, he also threw 19 INTs.

Messier · 04-12-2009, 08:14 AM

Any rookie is a risk because the college game is so different from the pros, and QB is the riskiest of the positions, and hardest to evaluate. The odds are good that Sanchez or Stafford will flame out, they both could. That's why everyone points back the 1983 QB class as such an amazing story, because of how rare it is to get 3 great QB's in one class. In 1999 there were 5 QB's taken in the first round only one has turned out to be really good, while another is just hanging on in the league.

I think you have less than a 50/50 shot that a first round QB will be a reliable starter in the NFL.

philfree · 04-12-2009, 08:16 AM

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Originally Posted by milkman

The bottom line here, to me, is that this fanbase is afraid to take (perceived) risks.

I'm not sure why most people were unhappy with Carl.

That guy never took risks.

I'm not afraid of risk but after I weigh all the factors I think Sanchez at #3 is "too" risky. And then there's my gut that's telling me that Sanchez is a mirage. Time will prove my gut to be right or wrong. And FWIW I see Stafford as a very risky too. Because of his arm strength and over 30 starts I like him more then Sanchez.

PhilFree

Messier · 04-12-2009, 08:17 AM

Oh, and happy Easter everybody!

DTLB58 · 04-12-2009, 08:22 AM

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Originally Posted by KCBOSS1

I realize that we are where we are, but the more I see about Sanchez, the more I'm afraid that a few years down the road, we may look back and realize that we passed up on the franchise guy that we've been looking for. I know that Cassel played ok last year, but is he a franchise guy? ...likely not. Thoughts?

Why is he likely not???

I find it humorus that most people always think the grass in greener on the other side.

You are assuming a QB who has actually started in the NFL, lead his team to a 11-5 winning record and had back to back 400 yard passing games is lesser a player than a college QB who hasn't played a down yet in the NFL and was critisized for coming out of college after only a handful of starts is better.

Some people just want something to B*tch about I swear.....Just another example of how people are never happy with what they got.

Why not support our team/decisions and wait till they have actually played a few games before we make these assumptions? Jeez

chiefzilla1501 · 04-12-2009, 08:23 AM

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Originally Posted by philfree

I'm not afraid of risk but after I weigh all the factors I think Sanchez at #3 is "too" risky. And then there's my gut that's telling me that Sanchez is a mirage. Time will prove my gut to be right or wrong. And FWIW I see Stafford as a very risky too. Because of his arm strength and over 30 starts I like him more then Sanchez.

PhilFree

Consider me in the minority, but I think when all's said and done, Sanchez will be a better NFL QB. I just think Sanchez has the leadership and fire that I don't see as much of in Stafford. Underrated qualities in a QB.

DTLB58 · 04-12-2009, 08:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

I think it's pretty simple, anyone who takes time to watch Sanchez and learn about him will love the guy. He has everything you look for in a QB in the intangibles area, he's as sound as they come with his mechanics and quick release and feet..

The only arguments against him are "he's short" and " he started 16 games" and of course for anyone that watched him play he doesn't remotely look like a 1 year starter.

The same can be said about Cassel....I don't know how anyone could think Matt is more of a 1 year wonder risk in the NFL than Sanchez in College.

chiefzilla1501 · 04-12-2009, 08:26 AM

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Originally Posted by DTLB58

Why is he likely not???

I find it humorus that most people always think the grass in greener on the other side.

You are assuming a QB who has actually started in the NFL, lead his team to a 11-5 winning record and had back to back 400 yard passing games is lesser a player than a college QB who hasn't played a down yet in the NFL and was critisized for coming out of college after only a handful of starts is better.

Some people just want something to B*tch about I swear.....Just another example of how people are never happy with what they got.

Why not support our team/decisions and wait till they have actually played a few games before we make these assumptions? Jeez

Yeah, I agree on the upside argument. I don't know what Cassel lacks that leads people to believe he won't be a very good quarterback. He has great fundamentals, a strong arm, great athleticism, and best of all, he has a work ethic that rivals Tom Brady--arguably the hardest working player in the NFL.

I don't know if I want to get into an "I'd rather" sort of thing. But I really like Cassel and think he's a much better option than people give him credit for. Apart from maybe not throwing a pretty deep ball, is there anything in his game that people are really concerned about?

DTLB58 · 04-12-2009, 08:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

Matt Cassel played TE his senior year isn't that a bit scary....
I don't see any star potential there, I see league average QB.

And no offense or anything but Mark Sanchez has better mechanics and a much quicker release. And there are several of us that talked about Sanchez at 3 much much longer than a month ago.

NO! Because he was a starter on an NFL team LAST season as a QB!

Good grief.

DTLB58 · 04-12-2009, 08:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Kyle DeLexus

Not to mention Randy Moss and Wes Welker

Well you know what? If we drafted Sanchez he wouldn't have Welker or Mosss either!

DTLB58 · 04-12-2009, 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

There were some issues with his line but he also held the ball to long. The guy does not setup and pump it out quickly by any degree.

If true, of course there is no chance that he will ever improve

Afterall, We all know a QB never improves his game after starting just 1 year in the NFL.

DTLB58 · 04-12-2009, 08:45 AM

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Originally Posted by KcMizzou

As far as Cassel goes...

Pioli and McDaniels both obviously think pretty highly of the guy. And they are two of the guys who should know him best. The fact that they both wanted him is a good sign, IMO.

I'm more than willing to trust their judgment.

Well, Finally! Another Chiefs fan supporter

philfree · 04-12-2009, 08:47 AM

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Originally Posted by DTLB58

NO! Because he was a starter on an NFL team LAST season as a QB!

Good grief.

Why is that scary? To me that says he's a good enough athlete that they found away to get him on the field. It also says he'll do what ever is asked of him for the team. Also says he's pretty tough. I just can't see that as a negative.

PhilFree

**DeezNutz** · 04-12-2009, 08:49 AM

Somewhat tangentially related to the current discussion, but I witnessed more evidence to the fact that the media is leading the charge on fostering ignorance and fear concerning the draft, and QB's in particular.

ESPN ran a segment on the QB's in this draft class: NFL Draft 101: Quarterbacks, and Suzy Kolber fired off the following gem:

"Missing on a QB early in the draft can affect a franchise for decades..."

****ing decades! Amazing ignorance. And I'm sure such comments have NO impact on the view of many fans...

Later, Dilfer and Schlereth went on to slobber all over Sanchez. Amazing feet and hip action. Possesses great vision, etc, etc.

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Messier MVP Join Date: Mar 2004 Casino cash: $10005050	Any rookie is a risk because the college game is so different from the pros, and QB is the riskiest of the positions, and hardest to evaluate. The odds are good that Sanchez or Stafford will flame out, they both could. That's why everyone points back the 1983 QB class as such an amazing story, because of how rare it is to get 3 great QB's in one class. In 1999 there were 5 QB's taken in the first round only one has turned out to be really good, while another is just hanging on in the league. I think you have less than a 50/50 shot that a first round QB will be a reliable starter in the NFL.
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