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FAX · 07-07-2009, 03:00 PM

Which one doesn't belong and why?

Just kidding.

Here's the real question, oh ye little marshmallow sugary Easter birds. Which one of the above had the greatest impact on popular music? Vote your conscience and no cheating, if you please.

Poll forthcoming.

FAX

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EDIT: (APOH)

ChiefJustice · 07-08-2009, 03:09 AM

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Originally Posted by stevieray

Last time I checked, the Beatles didn't have to be on TV from the waist up..from perry como to Hound Dog....not only music, but a culture itself.

if anything elvis ushered in a new style of music, and subsequently ushered in the Beatles. didn't help that his career was interrupted by the service and movies. to be able to come back years after the British invasion, speaks volumes...Something tells me there is a reason why they sought out the King...paying homage, IMO.

high five FDE !

I love the Beatles for the catalog of music they produced.

I just think Elvis is more iconic in his influence on many genres of music.

Listen to " You gave me a mountain"(penned by Marty Robbins) and you can see not only his range but,his dedication for remembering where he came from.

**ShortRoundChief** · 07-08-2009, 03:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stevieray

Last time I checked, the Beatles didn't have to be on TV from the waist up..from perry como to Hound Dog....not only music, but a culture itself.

if anything elvis ushered in a new style of music, and subsequently ushered in the Beatles. didn't help that his career was interrupted by the service and movies. to be able to come back years after the British invasion, speaks volumes...Something tells me there is a reason why they sought out the King...paying homage, IMO.

I agree.

**007** · 07-08-2009, 03:57 AM

The Beatles

and I couldn't stand them.

**ShortRoundChief** · 07-08-2009, 04:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Guru

The Beatles

and I couldn't stand them.

Really?

I love the beatles, they most definitely were the gateway to my generation.

That being said, elvis opened them doors.

**RNR** · 07-08-2009, 06:55 AM

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Originally Posted by RJ

I'm just guessing here, but if Ringo wasn't a very good drummer I think they could have found a replacement.

Yes but as we all know Ringo got the gig because John and Paul could not handle Pete Best pulling all the top shelf ass after the shows.

**Nzoner** · 07-08-2009, 07:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Rausch

And mostly soul-less $#it.

Just pop with nothing behind it. That's his legacy?

Timberlake, the Backstreet Boys, and N'Synch?

That's not a legacy that's a ****ing apology demanded and deserved...

You're in prime form

Saccopoo · 07-08-2009, 08:37 AM

Elvis. Not even remotely close.

Michael Jackson had one good album - Off The Wall, a small handful of good songs over the course of his career on his other albums and an understanding/taking advantage of being in the "right place at the right time" and utilizing a relatively new avenue/medium (MTV) to it's fullest extent for maximum impact. In addition, he was constantly in the public's eye for not his music, but his excentricities in his private life; e.g., trying to turn himself into a white pixie elf, sleeping in a hyperbolic chamber, Bobo, snuggling up with kids, Neverland, etc. While Thriller remains the highest selling album of all time, remember that the current biggest selling act in music right now is the Jonas Brothers.

The Beatles pushed the boundaries of rock in terms of melody, song writing and instrumentation, but they were almost unique in a sense rather than paving a road that a multitude of bands followed. More of their generations Nirvana than an overall influence of other bands. They were simply better in terms of overall creativity and musical understanding. Sure, St. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club was a genre shattering record that pushed the boundaries of creativity, and did spawn numerous imitators, but one would have to argue that the Rolling Stones or Led Zeppelin (at the tail end of the Beatles musical collective life) were actually more important in terms of overall impact and influence to music than the Beatles. Yes, their catalog of music, in a relatively short amount of time is nothing less than stunning (SPLHCB, Revolver, Let It Be, etc.), but they were more of being simply better than any other band at the time rather than being a bigger influence than any other band at the time.

Elvis, however, "invented" Rock and Roll. Redefined the whole concept of popular music in terms of what the buying public understood popular music to be. Without Elvis, there would be no "British Invasion," no Beatles, Rolling Stones, Led Zeppelin, etc. No appreciation nor widespread public acceptance of the black blues influeneces that shaped not only Rock 'n Roll, but the Motown sound and numerous other styles. Elvis brought together a number of musical influences (such as blues, gospel, country/western, poppy bugglegum WWII Andrew Sisters stuff, Bing Crosby crooning, etc, etc, etc.) and combined them with raw sex appeal and an understanding of showmanship and entertaining that the world had never seen before and reinvented music as the world knew it.

Again, it's Elvis, and it's not even remotely close.

**Fire Me Boy!** · 07-08-2009, 08:56 AM

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FAX · 07-08-2009, 08:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rausch

And mostly soul-less $#it.

Just pop with nothing behind it. That's his legacy?

Timberlake, the Backstreet Boys, and N'Synch?

That's not a legacy that's a ****ing apology demanded and deserved...

FAX

**Reaper16** · 07-08-2009, 10:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Saccogoo

Elvis. Not even remotely close.

Michael Jackson had one good album - Off The Wall, a small handful of good songs over the course of his career on his other albums and an understanding/taking advantage of being in the "right place at the right time" and utilizing a relatively new avenue/medium (MTV) to it's fullest extent for maximum impact. In addition, he was constantly in the public's eye for not his music, but his excentricities in his private life; e.g., trying to turn himself into a white pixie elf, sleeping in a hyperbolic chamber, Bobo, snuggling up with kids, Neverland, etc. While Thriller remains the highest selling album of all time, remember that the current biggest selling act in music right now is the Jonas Brothers.

The Beatles pushed the boundaries of rock in terms of melody, song writing and instrumentation, but they were almost unique in a sense rather than paving a road that a multitude of bands followed. More of their generations Nirvana than an overall influence of other bands. They were simply better in terms of overall creativity and musical understanding. Sure, St. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club was a genre shattering record that pushed the boundaries of creativity, and did spawn numerous imitators, but one would have to argue that the Rolling Stones or Led Zeppelin (at the tail end of the Beatles musical collective life) were actually more important in terms of overall impact and influence to music than the Beatles. Yes, their catalog of music, in a relatively short amount of time is nothing less than stunning (SPLHCB, Revolver, Let It Be, etc.), but they were more of being simply better than any other band at the time rather than being a bigger influence than any other band at the time.

Elvis, however, "invented" Rock and Roll. Redefined the whole concept of popular music in terms of what the buying public understood popular music to be. Without Elvis, there would be no "British Invasion," no Beatles, Rolling Stones, Led Zeppelin, etc. No appreciation nor widespread public acceptance of the black blues influeneces that shaped not only Rock 'n Roll, but the Motown sound and numerous other styles. Elvis brought together a number of musical influences (such as blues, gospel, country/western, poppy bugglegum WWII Andrew Sisters stuff, Bing Crosby crooning, etc, etc, etc.) and combined them with raw sex appeal and an understanding of showmanship and entertaining that the world had never seen before and reinvented music as the world knew it.

Again, it's Elvis, and it's not even remotely close.

Racist.

Duck Dog · 07-08-2009, 10:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Saccogoo

Elvis. Not even remotely close.

Michael Jackson had one good album - Off The Wall, a small handful of good songs over the course of his career on his other albums and an understanding/taking advantage of being in the "right place at the right time" and utilizing a relatively new avenue/medium (MTV) to it's fullest extent for maximum impact. In addition, he was constantly in the public's eye for not his music, but his excentricities in his private life; e.g., trying to turn himself into a white pixie elf, sleeping in a hyperbolic chamber, Bobo, snuggling up with kids, Neverland, etc. While Thriller remains the highest selling album of all time, remember that the current biggest selling act in music right now is the Jonas Brothers.

The Beatles pushed the boundaries of rock in terms of melody, song writing and instrumentation, but they were almost unique in a sense rather than paving a road that a multitude of bands followed. More of their generations Nirvana than an overall influence of other bands. They were simply better in terms of overall creativity and musical understanding. Sure, St. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club was a genre shattering record that pushed the boundaries of creativity, and did spawn numerous imitators, but one would have to argue that the Rolling Stones or Led Zeppelin (at the tail end of the Beatles musical collective life) were actually more important in terms of overall impact and influence to music than the Beatles. Yes, their catalog of music, in a relatively short amount of time is nothing less than stunning (SPLHCB, Revolver, Let It Be, etc.), but they were more of being simply better than any other band at the time rather than being a bigger influence than any other band at the time.

Elvis, however, "invented" Rock and Roll. Redefined the whole concept of popular music in terms of what the buying public understood popular music to be. Without Elvis, there would be no "British Invasion," no Beatles, Rolling Stones, Led Zeppelin, etc. No appreciation nor widespread public acceptance of the black blues influeneces that shaped not only Rock 'n Roll, but the Motown sound and numerous other styles. Elvis brought together a number of musical influences (such as blues, gospel, country/western, poppy bugglegum WWII Andrew Sisters stuff, Bing Crosby crooning, etc, etc, etc.) and combined them with raw sex appeal and an understanding of showmanship and entertaining that the world had never seen before and reinvented music as the world knew it.

Again, it's Elvis, and it's not even remotely close.

Very well said.

**RNR** · 07-08-2009, 10:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Reaper16

Racist.

He just hates Jackson because he was white.

It makes me sick

urgmasdaughter · 07-08-2009, 10:59 AM

This is a no brainer how can you possibly go any other way than with the Beatles.

Duck Dog · 07-08-2009, 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Nonsense.

That's like saying that I can't compare a Van Gogh painting to an Andy Warhol work. They can both be pleasing and annoying at the same time.

It's all in the eye (or ear, in this case) of the beholder.

True, but it's pretty hard to forget that Elvis invented the music that the others were spawn from. His title should be King of Music.

**Reaper16** · 07-08-2009, 11:09 AM

Elvis invented nothing, assholes. He was an effective swindler of black music, though.

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