Chiefs Cassel Vs Sanchez - Page 6

Titty Meat · 08-14-2009, 06:49 PM

Also known as the Chiefsplanet Civil War. I made this thread not to talk smack but to compare how each player plays. Sanchez looked great tonight despite missing half of the Jets O-line.

**DeezNutz** · 08-14-2009, 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

It's about more than 1 year....no one should be making judgments after 1 season. [/QUOTE

Agreed, but you know the Sanchez supporters will be saying "I told you so" if Sanchez has more success than Cassel this year.

Well, if a rookie QB steps in and has immediate success, it would be a stretch to think that he won't continue to develop into a star player.

Are there too many ATL fans wishing they had someone other than Matt Ryan?

Edit: Hmm...the quote is ****ed. I was responding to Goldmember, not Mecca.

Mecca · 08-14-2009, 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

I agree that it's the bigger risk, but not the perception part.

Depends whom you're talking about. You're speaking as an educated football fan who understands that this was a HUGE decision for Pioli to pass on the n00b. The average fan, IMO, would always say drafting a rookie would be far riskier.

Oh noes111 Ryan Leaf111 He set SD back 32 years1111 Jeff George111111

I don't think it's riskier in this market, fans here were conditioned that vets are better than rookies especially at the QB position. The 1 time we tried to go young it resulted in abysmal failure.

I think general KC fan feels more comfortable with Matt Cassel than they would have drafting a QB just because of personal experience.

RippedmyFlesh · 08-14-2009, 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

It's a really nice play especially for a rookie QB, he looks off the safety even does a pump to hold him before throwing it down the field.

I remember he made a throw like that against penn st...almost looked like the same play.
It was a deep sideline pattern and one of the replays showed the play from the endzone.Beautiful touch on a pass where there was like 3 feet between the receiver and the sideline and he laid in a nice catch able ball.

**DeezNutz** · 08-14-2009, 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

I don't think it's riskier in this market, fans here were conditioned that vets are better than rookies especially at the QB position. The 1 time we tried to go young it resulted in abysmal failure.

I think general KC fan feels more comfortable with Matt Cassel than they would have drafting a QB just because of personal experience.

Right. That was what I was trying to say about the perception part.

In reality, it was riskier, but in this market, most fans think we made the "smart" (read: safer) decision.

Mecca · 08-14-2009, 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

Right. That was what I was trying to say about the perception part.

In reality, it was riskier, but in this market, most fans think we made the "smart" (read: safer) decision.

Pretty much, this market is very weird at times.

9-7 is ok, people are passionate etc but taking a risk that may mean the team isn't great for a few years causes people to flip out.

This market doesn't have the stomach to really let a young QB sink or swim.

NFL16 · 08-14-2009, 09:21 PM

Just nitpicking here... but we will never know for sure whether or not the Jets would have traded up even further to get ahead of us for Sanchez had we not acquired Cassel.

**DaneMcCloud** · 08-14-2009, 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

Pretty much, this market is very weird at times.

9-7 is ok, people are passionate etc but taking a risk that may mean the team isn't great for a few years causes people to flip out.

This market doesn't have the stomach to really let a young QB sink or swim.

Well, that could be said for most great football towns, from Philly (who boo'd Donovan McNabb's selection in the draft) to the Giants, Redskins, Browns, Jets, Packers, etc.

Fans always want to win now.

Mecca · 08-14-2009, 09:23 PM

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Originally Posted by NFL16

Just nitpicking here... but we will never know for sure whether or not the Jets would have traded up even further to get ahead of us for Sanchez had we not acquired Cassel.

They got a sweetheart deal from the Browns, I don't think they could have gotten ahead of the Chiefs though, not from how low they were they would have had to give up next years 1st and basically the entire this years draft.

Titty Meat · 08-14-2009, 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

Pretty much, this market is very weird at times.

9-7 is ok, people are passionate etc but taking a risk that may mean the team isn't great for a few years causes people to flip out.

This market doesn't have the stomach to really let a young QB sink or swim.

So you think Clark played any part in this? Seeing as a empty new stadium wouldn't be a good look. 2 years of sucking there are 20,000 less season ticket holders. Or Pioli really likes Cassel, we know Mcdaniels did and wishes he would have traded a first round pick for Cassel.

Mecca · 08-14-2009, 10:33 PM

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Originally Posted by billay

So you think Clark played any part in this? Seeing as a empty new stadium wouldn't be a good look. 2 years of sucking there are 20,000 less season ticket holders. Or Pioli really likes Cassel, we know Mcdaniels did and wishes he would have traded a first round pick for Cassel.

It's the Parcells symptom, these guys when they come in their goal is to win 8 games the first year so they can make all the players buy in, even if it means getting a ton of old guys to do it.

Personally I'm a much bigger fan of the Colts/Chargers/Giants approach but hey you get what you get.

**Buehler445** · 08-14-2009, 11:54 PM

I watched the replay on NFLN. Maybe it was live. **** I don't know. Sanchez looked better than I anticipated.

I guess before I go further, I should throw my disclaimer. I was in the Sanchez camp, but recognized his red flags. We got Cassel, whom also has red flags. We got a pretty smokin ass deal for him. Cassel is my man, I hope he rips it up.

My interest in Sanchez, now is merely as a fan of football. Hell, I don't even buy into the "link" between teams or whatever. Sanchez could own in NY, but if he would have come here and got planted every week by whomever Sackintosh decided not to block and may well have busted wildly. I don't much care about Sanchez anymore outside of just an interest in football.

That being said, why the **** did the first two guys only throw 4 passes? IIRC Clements was 4/4 20-something yards, Sanchez was 3/4 80-something yards. That doesn't tell you a lot. Them being on the field and running plays inherently gives you ideas, but come on, 4 passes each? Are they really that interested in Ainge?

That 50 yard pass was good all around. It was a good playcall from Shottenhiemer. It's easy to brush off if it is incomplete or whatever, there probably wasn't going to be an INT from misreading the D, because nobody in the building thought he was going deep. And I'm sure that sent his confidence through the roof. Damn good work there.

**Buehler445** · 08-14-2009, 11:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

It's about more than 1 year....no one should be making judgments after 1 season.

Also in case you haven't noticed the Jets have ass WR's also.

Watching them, they looked like they had better hands and ran better routes than what I have seen out of Chiefs WRs in recent years save Bowe and TG. Hopefully Haley is rectifying this.

Could be grass-is-greener-syndrome, but they don't look as bad as some of the shit we've run out there.

**Buehler445** · 08-15-2009, 12:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

It's the Parcells symptom, these guys when they come in their goal is to win 8 games the first year so they can make all the players buy in, even if it means getting a ton of old guys to do it.

Personally I'm a much bigger fan of the Colts/Chargers/Giants approach but hey you get what you get.

Meh. I think it is a value thing.

Face it. The Chiefs HAD to change the culture in this mother****ing cess pool Squirmin Herman created. Young guys aren't going to do it, or at least have a lower probability of doing it. I think they may have went a little overboard with a few of the signings (my thought is Toomer and Engram, I'm not too high on either), but someone had to come in and show these guys what a winning organization does. Because NOBODY in that ****ing locker room knew how. Not a single ****ing body.

**Tribal Warfare** · 08-15-2009, 12:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

It's the Parcells symptom, these guys when they come in their goal is to win 8 games the first year so they can make all the players buy in, even if it means getting a ton of old guys to do it.

Personally I'm a much bigger fan of the Colts/Chargers/Giants approach but hey you get what you get.

Well next year KC is going to target Terrence Cody so they can transition to a pure 3-4 and then drop Pendergast

Sweet Daddy Hate · 08-15-2009, 02:20 AM

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Originally Posted by milkman

Thanks mecca.

I got in from work after Sanchez had already finished his time in the game and hadn't seen that.

You can see him go quickly through his progressions, make a quick decision, and throw a perfectly placed pass.

Impressive.

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Originally Posted by Mecca

It's a really nice play especially for a rookie QB, he looks off the safety even does a pump to hold him before throwing it down the field.

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

And he's damn near in his own endzone, where a lot of QBs start to wet themselves...

It was a 93 yard drive that started off with that pass. I like the way Ryan let him go out there and turn one loose from the get-go like that. That's having some confidence in your guy, and it was a good confidence builder for Sanchez as well.

Look, we're in full football mode now and I want my team to do well and to win. There's no use in crying, bitching, or pissing over something that has come and gone, and that we have no control over.
That article from about a week ago made it pretty clear that Haley wasn't comfortable with the idea of going in to his first time as a head coach with a "true rookie" at the helm, so Matt Cassel was gonna' be the guy and that's all there is/was to it. I can live with it because we're going to play a different kind of football than Rex Ryan. We're going to, with time, build a consistent, balanced roster that can compete and win because the whole will be greater than the sum of its parts.

That's where we're headed, and I'm cool with it.

And don't forget; the Jets we're playing against STL for ****'s sake.

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08-14-2009, 09:21 PM	#81
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08-14-2009, 11:54 PM	#86
Buehler445 Supporter Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Scott City KS Casino cash: $-1445266	I watched the replay on NFLN. Maybe it was live. ** I don't know. Sanchez looked better than I anticipated. I guess before I go further, I should throw my disclaimer. I was in the Sanchez camp, but recognized his red flags. We got Cassel, whom also has red flags. We got a pretty smokin ass deal for him. Cassel is my man, I hope he rips it up. My interest in Sanchez, now is merely as a fan of football. Hell, I don't even buy into the "link" between teams or whatever. Sanchez could own in NY, but if he would have come here and got planted every week by whomever Sackintosh decided not to block and may well have busted wildly. I don't much care about Sanchez anymore outside of just an interest in football. That being said, why the ** did the first two guys only throw 4 passes? IIRC Clements was 4/4 20-something yards, Sanchez was 3/4 80-something yards. That doesn't tell you a lot. Them being on the field and running plays inherently gives you ideas, but come on, 4 passes each? Are they really that interested in Ainge? That 50 yard pass was good all around. It was a good playcall from Shottenhiemer. It's easy to brush off if it is incomplete or whatever, there probably wasn't going to be an INT from misreading the D, because nobody in the building thought he was going deep. And I'm sure that sent his confidence through the roof. Damn good work there.
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