Chiefs Expect to be disappointed because there will be no talent on this team in the future - Page 11

RedThat · 09-28-2009, 04:15 PM

Im no psychic, and neither do I have a crystal ball in front of me to predict the future. I make my statements clearly based in relation to how this dismal franchise operates. I hate to sound doom and gloom but it is leading towards that because of our football reality.

I don't care if we hired Scott Pioli and hired a coach from the Parcell's tree. This means absolutely nothing. when you really get down to the main core of things, these guys will have no value on this franchise because they ain't the main guys behind the curtain. They're not in full control of football operations, they're not ultimately responsible for calling the shots nor pay the bills. They're just puppets obeying what their master wants from them.

Seriously though, when you get down to it we have a sh*tty owner. Yeah Scott Pioli is who the fans wanted and Clark satisfied our desire in that regard. He comes from New England therefore we should all be excited because he comes from a winner and knows how to put championship teams together right? Im not gonna buy into this. If you really payed close attention the operations around 1 Arrowhead drive haven't changed. The Chiefs are still the same old Chiefs. They operate in the same manner and fashion just like when Herm and Carl were here. Just different men this time around.

Seriously, it shouldn't take a ****n rocket scientist to figure this out. We're being deceived into thinking this team is gonna turn it around and build a winner. we tune in and watch the games every Sunday, and why do we cheer? Because we want good things to happen. We want to win for **** sakes. That's why every fan watches sports and if you for one minute think that you can dodge your way around that, you're only fooling yourself.

I honestly believe these guys are no different then salesmen trying to sell themselves to make you convinced why you should buy their product. Seriously, Im tired of this ****n sh*t!! When Herm was here, they signed these ****n castoffs from other teams, and as fans were lead into believing that what they were doing was right. How many times do you recall Herm say the best teams on paper don't win? As a result, they went out and signed trash...It is evident when you see them sign guys like Alphonso Boone, Damion McIntosh, an old Donnie Edwards, Adrian Jones...And these guys are players other teams didn't even consider keeping.

Then, this time around, new regime, BUT, now were being told the team with the best players don't win. you have to have the "RIGHT" 53 players?! Well, **** off! This is clearly a ploy. Its a total cover up for an owner who is ****n cheap and doesn't wish to spend the money. What's gonna be the excuse? Clark isn't spending the money because he is devoting it towards stadium renovations. Gimme a break. If we take a close look at the off-season we signed 2nd and 3rd tier players who aren't gonna make a difference or impact your team in any sort of way. And it's the same sh*t they sign "old" guys or injury riddled players who clearly aren't what they used to be.

You can't take other teams scraps and expect to build a good team? That is my point. The saying is true, you can't make chicken salad out of chicken sh*t. There is no excuse for this bullsh*t that is going on. None. They've clearly had opportunties to upgrade the talent on the roster and what did they do? They were there usual passive selves. They waited waited and signed scraps, while the good talent was there they didn't cash in on those opportunities. No excuses when you're 30 someodd million under the cap.

I think it's important to "read between the lines". Pioli or no Pioli, Peterson or no Peterson the fact is Chief fans are getting ripped off. And I anticipate they will not win any time soon nor in the future. the reason is simple, the operations haven't changed at all. you have no talent, can you win? Absolutely not. And it's a shame because the fans of Kansas City love their football, while Clark doesn't relate to your passion nor has any regards towards it whatsoever.

Mecca · 09-28-2009, 08:26 PM

The Chiefs are not a smart or disciplined team, that's obvious.

kcfanXIII · 09-28-2009, 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

The difference is the old center can still play where as everyone knew Goff was done any Charger fan would have told you that they pined to get him off the team last season.

and what if we're not lucky enough to know any of the three charger fans?

KCDC · 09-28-2009, 09:17 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Wrong.

They weren't more disciplined on Sunday, and they surely haven't been more disciplined than the 2008 team through 3 weeks.

Week 1: (penalties/yardage)

2008: 2/15
2009: 3/15

Week 2:

2008: 5/36
2009: 9/70

Week 3:

2008: 3/13
2009: 10/90

10/64 in 2008, versus 22/175 in 2009.

That's NOTHING resembling improvement.

Wow, that is a telling statistic. I would have thought it would be the other way around. Now you are making me more nervous.

WildTurkey · 09-28-2009, 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by KCDC

Wow, that is a telling statistic. I would have thought it would be the other way around. Now you are making me more nervous.

the problem is they are not talented enough to make those mistakes and win or even be competitive

Chief Faithful · 09-28-2009, 09:55 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Wrong.

They weren't more disciplined on Sunday, and they surely haven't been more disciplined than the 2008 team through 3 weeks.

Week 1: (penalties/yardage)

2008: 2/15
2009: 3/15

Week 2:

2008: 5/36
2009: 9/70

Week 3:

2008: 3/13
2009: 10/90

10/64 in 2008, versus 22/175 in 2009.

That's NOTHING resembling improvement.

Penalties have been a problem, but it does not tell a complete story as discipline is not measured in penalties alone. For example look at how many times the Chiefs QB has been sacked and how many interceptions thrown.

Week 1
2008: sacked 4/ intercepted 1
2009: 3/0

Week 2
2008: 5/2
2009: 2/2

Week 3
2008: 2/3
2009: 3/0

2008 total sacked 11, intercepted 6
2009 total sacked 8, intercepted 2

These numbers show better discipline from the offense in 2009 and it was against better defenses.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 09-28-2009, 10:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Chief Faithful

Penalties have been a problem, but it does not tell a complete story. For example look at how many times the Chiefs QB has been sacked and how many interceptions thrown.

Week 1
2008: sacked 4/ intercepted 1
2009: 3/0

Week 2
2008: 5/2
2009: 2/2

Week 3
2008: 2/3
2009: 3/0

2008 total sacked 11, intercepted 6
2009 total sacked 8, intercepted 2

These numbers show better discipline from the offense in 2009 and it was against better defenses.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 09-28-2009, 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

The Chiefs are not a smart or disciplined team, that's obvious.

If you make guys run a lot, and bestow upon them status of "Right 53", their football IQ magically goes up two standard deviations.

**DeezNutz** · 09-28-2009, 10:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Chief Faithful

Penalties have been a problem, but it does not tell a complete story as discipline is not measured in penalties alone. For example look at how many times the Chiefs QB has been sacked and how many interceptions thrown.

Week 1
2008: sacked 4/ intercepted 1
2009: 3/0

Week 2
2008: 5/2
2009: 2/2

Week 3
2008: 2/3
2009: 3/0

2008 total sacked 11, intercepted 6
2009 total sacked 8, intercepted 2

These numbers show better discipline from the offense in 2009 and it was against better defenses.

This isn't quite as effective as the penalty statistics because last year we didn't even have a QB playing the position. I'd sure hope the INT numbers would be down with our new "franchise" player.

And we've only played 2.5 games thus far this season, so that affects the numbers, too.

Chief Faithful · 09-28-2009, 10:15 PM

Warpath, is it your contention that penalties is the complete and absolute measure of the discipline of a football team?

What about route running discipline? What about discipline with blocking assignments? What about filling lanes and keeping assignments?

Anyone who has played the game knows discipline is more than penalty stats.

bowener · 09-28-2009, 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by RedThat

I used to think at least give the Chiefs credit they tried to get players. But now I don't think that way. When you replace scrub with scrub I don't credit that as trying.

Thats like wiping your ass with your fingers when you run out of toilet paper, you could have at least gone for a hand towel or sock or something better.

**DeezNutz** · 09-28-2009, 10:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chief Faithful

Warpath, is it your contention that penalties is the complete and absolute measure of the discipline of a football team?

What about route running discipline? What about discipline with blocking assignments? What about filling lanes and keeping assignments?

Anyone who has played the game knows discipline is more than penalty stats.

I agree with your list. Some of these things are hard to quantify, though.

That said, did we look disciplined in week 1 when we gave up over 500 yards of offense? How about last Sunday, giving up, what?, 400+?

Mecca · 09-28-2009, 10:25 PM

Basically if the Chiefs play even a good offensive team they give up about 450 yards.

Chief Faithful · 09-28-2009, 10:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeezNutz

This isn't quite as effective as the penalty statistics because last year we didn't even have a QB playing the position. I'd sure hope the INT numbers would be down with our new "franchise" player.

And we've only played 2.5 games thus far this season, so that affects the numbers, too.

Sure, penalty stats jump out, but often high penalty stats are an indication of being out matched physically and I believe that is more the case so far this year. For example, I don't see a lot of personal fouls. Although I'm not happy about the off-sides penalties on offense. Then again neither is Haley.

Chief Faithful · 09-28-2009, 10:35 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

I agree with your list. Some of these things are hard to quantify, though.

That said, did we look disciplined in week 1 when we gave up over 500 yards of offense? How about last Sunday, giving up, what?, 400+?

Sure it is hard to quantify. Another telling stat would be number of long running and passing plays.

In week 1 I saw a team that just got physically dominated. Philly was too strong in the defensive front 7 and they just executed well on offense. Again, both an issue of talent, experience, and strength of opponent, which is what I believe is the Chiefs real problem. For example, they only have 4 weeks with Haley as the OC. Did you know that the three teams that fired their OC the last week of the preseason are a combined 1-8 record?

I believe as they get more time together and the schedule softens they may find 3 or 4 wins.

Chief Faithful · 09-28-2009, 10:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mecca

Basically if the Chiefs play even a good offensive team they give up about 450 yards.

Yeah, and I believe they will face another good offense this week.

09-28-2009, 04:15 PM
RedThat Banned Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Earth Casino cash: $10004900	Expect to be disappointed because there will be no talent on this team in the future Im no psychic, and neither do I have a crystal ball in front of me to predict the future. I make my statements clearly based in relation to how this dismal franchise operates. I hate to sound doom and gloom but it is leading towards that because of our football reality. I don't care if we hired Scott Pioli and hired a coach from the Parcell's tree. This means absolutely nothing. when you really get down to the main core of things, these guys will have no value on this franchise because they ain't the main guys behind the curtain. They're not in full control of football operations, they're not ultimately responsible for calling the shots nor pay the bills. They're just puppets obeying what their master wants from them. Seriously though, when you get down to it we have a shtty owner. Yeah Scott Pioli is who the fans wanted and Clark satisfied our desire in that regard. He comes from New England therefore we should all be excited because he comes from a winner and knows how to put championship teams together right? Im not gonna buy into this. If you really payed close attention the operations around 1 Arrowhead drive haven't changed. The Chiefs are still the same old Chiefs. They operate in the same manner and fashion just like when Herm and Carl were here. Just different men this time around. Seriously, it shouldn't take a *n rocket scientist to figure this out. We're being deceived into thinking this team is gonna turn it around and build a winner. we tune in and watch the games every Sunday, and why do we cheer? Because we want good things to happen. We want to win for sakes. That's why every fan watches sports and if you for one minute think that you can dodge your way around that, you're only fooling yourself. I honestly believe these guys are no different then salesmen trying to sell themselves to make you convinced why you should buy their product. Seriously, Im tired of this *n sht!! When Herm was here, they signed these **n castoffs from other teams, and as fans were lead into believing that what they were doing was right. How many times do you recall Herm say the best teams on paper don't win? As a result, they went out and signed trash...It is evident when you see them sign guys like Alphonso Boone, Damion McIntosh, an old Donnie Edwards, Adrian Jones...And these guys are players other teams didn't even consider keeping. Then, this time around, new regime, BUT, now were being told the team with the best players don't win. you have to have the "RIGHT" 53 players?! Well, off! This is clearly a ploy. Its a total cover up for an owner who is *n cheap and doesn't wish to spend the money. What's gonna be the excuse? Clark isn't spending the money because he is devoting it towards stadium renovations. Gimme a break. If we take a close look at the off-season we signed 2nd and 3rd tier players who aren't gonna make a difference or impact your team in any sort of way. And it's the same sht they sign "old" guys or injury riddled players who clearly aren't what they used to be. You can't take other teams scraps and expect to build a good team? That is my point. The saying is true, you can't make chicken salad out of chicken sht. There is no excuse for this bullsht that is going on. None. They've clearly had opportunties to upgrade the talent on the roster and what did they do? They were there usual passive selves. They waited waited and signed scraps, while the good talent was there they didn't cash in on those opportunities. No excuses when you're 30 someodd million under the cap. I think it's important to "read between the lines". Pioli or no Pioli, Peterson or no Peterson the fact is Chief fans are getting ripped off. And I anticipate they will not win any time soon nor in the future. the reason is simple, the operations haven't changed at all. you have no talent, can you win? Absolutely not. And it's a shame because the fans of Kansas City love their football, while Clark doesn't relate to your passion nor has any regards towards it whatsoever.
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Chief Faithful Predicting Chiefs Victory Join Date: Sep 2001 Casino cash: $9966500	Warpath, is it your contention that penalties is the complete and absolute measure of the discipline of a football team? What about route running discipline? What about discipline with blocking assignments? What about filling lanes and keeping assignments? Anyone who has played the game knows discipline is more than penalty stats.
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Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $-602950	Basically if the Chiefs play even a good offensive team they give up about 450 yards.
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