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**chiefforlife** · 08:38 AM

Bernard Pollard didn't like Chiefs' coaches' cursing
Posted by Michael David Smith on November 8, 2009 9:17 AM ET
Texans safety Bernard Pollard started all 16 games for the Chiefs in 2008, but he ended up in Houston after Kansas City cut him just before the start of the 2009 season.

Pollard describes getting cut by the Chiefs as a shock, but he says he thinks he knows what the problem was: He wouldn't put up with new coach Todd Haley and his staff cursing him out.

"With professional athletes, you're dealing with grown men. You're not dealing with boys," Pollard tells the Journal Gazette. "You're not in a locker room with sophomores in high school. You're dealing with grown men with families. I have a wife. I have a son. And I have a daughter on the way. I'm not going to sit there and let you curse me out when you feel like cursing me out or talk to me any way you want to talk to me, and you just want me to sit and take it and say, 'Yes, coach.'"

As ArrowheadPride.com notes, Pollard had a shouting match with Chiefs defensive coordinator Clancy Pendergast during training camp, leading to Pollard being sent off the field. Apparently that was not just one isolated incident.

But from Pollard's perspective, it's all worked out. Now he's a starter in Houston.

"I respect others because that's what I want in return," Pollard says. "It was shocking to get let go, but I'm a Texan, and I'm happy to be one."

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**BigMeatballDave** · 11-08-2009, 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by wild1

Honestly, I'm not a fan of Haley's coaching style either. I don't see why you need to be that profane all the time and alienate players. Someone like Pollard who sucked and needed to go - who cares. But I don't see anyone other than perhaps Dorsey who's responded to it.

Obviously things are not changing by virtue of this style alone. But I am a big believer in the idea that the culture of a workplace is contagious and it's a big factor in performance. If someone isn't on board they should be cut. I don't think you need this bawling-out culture all the time.

They need a culture where success is not only rewarded but expected, for sure. But if the culture is extremely negative most people will not respond to it.

Yelling is just talking loud. Who gives a shit? Maybe Dorsey responded because he is actually talented. This is what Haley/Pioli seem to be trying to do this season; Purging shitty players.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 11-08-2009, 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by BigChiefDave

Purging shitty players.

Why are they worrying about the piece of two-play with a fart's worth of crap on it when there is a bowl full of foot long logs and cream backing up the only shitter in the house.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 11-08-2009, 10:54 AM

There's a difference between yelling/chewing someone out and treating grown men like grown men, with respect.

This isn't ****ing high school.

Brian Billick mother****ed his players as much as any coach around, but his players still respected him.

jspchief · 11-08-2009, 10:54 AM

Pollard, meh.

However, I do think Haley's "coaching style" has big potential for failure.

Remember, the Giants were ready to quit on Coughlin too, except he started getting results. Haley doesn't have the resume that Coughlin had. If players don't start seeing the upside of putting up with an asshole coach, then they will just start tuning him out.

Say what you want about Pollard's achievements, but Haley hasn't done much to impress yet either. I'm guessing if Pollard had been surrounded by the same talent Haley was surrounded by, he would have looked better too.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 11-08-2009, 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by jspchief

Pollard, meh.

However, I do think Haley's "coaching style" has big potential for failure.

Remember, the Giants were ready to quit on Coughlin too, except he started getting results. Haley doesn't have the resume that Coughlin had. If players don't start seeing the upside of putting up with an asshole coach, then they will just start tuning him out.

Say what you want about Pollard's achievements, but Haley hasn't done much to impress yet either. I'm guessing if Pollard had been surrounded by the same talent Haley was surrounded by, he would have looked better too.

Good post, jsp.

Queue the "then **** the players that don't want to play for an asshole" posts.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 11-08-2009, 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

mother****ed.

The greatest verb ever.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 11-08-2009, 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

The greatest verb ever.

Two of my favorite words from Next Man Up.

Mother****ed.

Slapdick.

**BigMeatballDave** · 11-08-2009, 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

There's a difference between yelling/chewing someone out and treating grown men like grown men, with respect.

This isn't ****ing high school.

Brian Billick mother****ed his players as much as any coach around, but his players still respected him.

Who says most of the players there now do not respect Haley?

stevieray · 11-08-2009, 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

There's a difference between yelling/chewing someone out and treating grown men like grown men, with respect.

Why do DS's yell at recruits in bootcamp?

**OnTheWarpath15** · 11-08-2009, 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by BigChiefDave

Who says most of the players there now do not respect Haley?

I'm not saying they do, or they don't.

Like jsp, I'm saying that Haley's approach has a huge potential for failure.

jspchief · 11-08-2009, 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by BigChiefDave

Who says most of the players there now do not respect Haley?

I don't think we know yet. Just saying that's he's playing a dangerous game with big egos.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 11-08-2009, 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by stevieray

Why do DS's yell at recruits in bootcamp?

Most of the recruits aren't anywhere near men? The vast majority are 18-20 years old and have almost nothing to their name.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 11-08-2009, 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by stevieray

Why do DS's yell at recruits in bootcamp?

Steve, if you think you're going to program/brainwash a professional athlete...

stevieray · 11-08-2009, 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Steve, if you think you're going to program/brainwash a professional athlete...

it's not brainwashing..it's about maintaining composure under stressful situations.

I find it highly amusing that people are claiming a coach should treat a team with respect that's won three games out of?

..treat em with respect!..because that is exactly what every detractor has doen since Haley got here..treated the players and coaches like grown men...with respect.

**BigMeatballDave** · 11-08-2009, 11:11 AM

How can yelling at players be potential for failure? I'd say picking lousy players is more of a potiental for failure. These guys are paid a lot of money doing exactly what they love to do. They dont work in a ****ing cubicle. Were bitching about yelling and sings. WTF? I'll judge Haley's performance by the players he choses to play for him(I am not happy with him starting Goff still), not by yelling. Do your ****ing job and you wont get yelled at.

11-08-2009, 08:37 AM
chiefforlife Colorado Chief Fan Join Date: Feb 2006 Casino cash: $5493147	Pollard didnt like being cursed out. Bernard Pollard didn't like Chiefs' coaches' cursing Posted by Michael David Smith on November 8, 2009 9:17 AM ET Texans safety Bernard Pollard started all 16 games for the Chiefs in 2008, but he ended up in Houston after Kansas City cut him just before the start of the 2009 season. Pollard describes getting cut by the Chiefs as a shock, but he says he thinks he knows what the problem was: He wouldn't put up with new coach Todd Haley and his staff cursing him out. "With professional athletes, you're dealing with grown men. You're not dealing with boys," Pollard tells the Journal Gazette. "You're not in a locker room with sophomores in high school. You're dealing with grown men with families. I have a wife. I have a son. And I have a daughter on the way. I'm not going to sit there and let you curse me out when you feel like cursing me out or talk to me any way you want to talk to me, and you just want me to sit and take it and say, 'Yes, coach.'" As ArrowheadPride.com notes, Pollard had a shouting match with Chiefs defensive coordinator Clancy Pendergast during training camp, leading to Pollard being sent off the field. Apparently that was not just one isolated incident. But from Pollard's perspective, it's all worked out. Now he's a starter in Houston. "I respect others because that's what I want in return," Pollard says. "It was shocking to get let go, but I'm a Texan, and I'm happy to be one." http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...aches-cursing/ Last edited by chiefforlife; 11-08-2009 at 08:38 AM.. Reason: add link
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OnTheWarpath15 MVP Join Date: Sep 2005 Casino cash: $2191115	There's a difference between yelling/chewing someone out and treating grown men like grown men, with respect. This isn't **ing high school. Brian Billick mother**ed his players as much as any coach around, but his players still respected him.
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jspchief BAMF Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Your Face Casino cash: $9998710	Pollard, meh. However, I do think Haley's "coaching style" has big potential for failure. Remember, the Giants were ready to quit on Coughlin too, except he started getting results. Haley doesn't have the resume that Coughlin had. If players don't start seeing the upside of putting up with an asshole coach, then they will just start tuning him out. Say what you want about Pollard's achievements, but Haley hasn't done much to impress yet either. I'm guessing if Pollard had been surrounded by the same talent Haley was surrounded by, he would have looked better too. __________________ Courage is not the absence of fear but rather the judgment that something is more important than fear. The brave may not live forever but the cautious do not live at all.
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BigMeatballDave GBM 8-12-15 Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Dayton, Oh. Casino cash: $10052154	How can yelling at players be potential for failure? I'd say picking lousy players is more of a potiental for failure. These guys are paid a lot of money doing exactly what they love to do. They dont work in a **ing cubicle. Were bitching about yelling and sings. WTF? I'll judge Haley's performance by the players he choses to play for him(I am not happy with him starting Goff still), not by yelling. Do your **ing job and you wont get yelled at.
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