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Old 11-08-2009, 04:19 PM  
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What position do we need the most in the first round?
Half of you were saying LT.

Is that still true?

Dline?
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Old 11-08-2009, 07:22 PM   #46
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Offensive lineman is typically the most solid pick you can get though, right?

What draft picks have we given away for this year? When would our next pick be? When have glimmers of hope elsewhere that we can work with, except the offensive line. I'm still undecided about when to pick one, but that is definitely our greatest need.
Left tackles are fairly risky picks.

But to your point, the best Guards and Centers go off the board in the late first, early second. That means that if you use your early second on one of those guys, you'll get one of the best Guards or Centers in the draft class. And if you use a 3rd round pick on either of those guys, you're still drafting one of the better players in that draft class.

Moral of the story? You can SIGNIFICANTLY upgrade the offensive line by bringing in 3 players either through free agency or rounds 2-4 of the draft. I'd rather have a playmaker in the first, and solid guys in those o-line positions in the 2-4th.
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Old 11-08-2009, 07:23 PM   #47
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No pick is really "safe" Robert Gallery was a top 5 pick, he hasn't worked out.

This team is bad we need to be taking the best available player, we need playmakers.
Don't you think improving the offensive line would ultimately help improve the playmakers we thought we already had? I'm not a Cassel fan at all, but I do think we'd be able to judge him more fairly if he had at least a little coverage.
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Old 11-08-2009, 07:24 PM   #48
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Usually they are.

Its funny though how this team hasn't invested much in Offensive lineman when it comes to the first day of the draft.
I agree.

But the key word is "FIRST DAY." Which, to me, still means first, second or third round (even if the first day is now only the first and second round).

I don't think anybody here is saying to ignore the o-line again. We're all just saying that you don't need to use a top 5 pick to get it.
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Old 11-08-2009, 07:24 PM   #49
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Don't you think improving the offensive line would ultimately help improve the playmakers we thought we already had? I'm not a Cassel fan at all, but I do think we'd be able to judge him more fairly if he had at least a little coverage.
No I don't because we have no playmakers...this team is slow, especially on defense.

And you can build an offensive line out of the first round.
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Old 11-08-2009, 07:25 PM   #50
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Don't you think improving the offensive line would ultimately help improve the playmakers we thought we already had? I'm not a Cassel fan at all, but I do think we'd be able to judge him more fairly if he had at least a little coverage.
Trust me, I 100% agree with you there. But you can get starters in the 2nd-4th round. It just so happens that this team under Carl Peterson never tried because they were so busy building for now that they never thought to bring in some young guys to replace Shields and Wiegmann when their time was running short.
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Old 11-08-2009, 07:26 PM   #51
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No pick is really "safe" Robert Gallery was a top 5 pick, he hasn't worked out.

This team is bad we need to be taking the best available player, we need playmakers.
I agree.

But, this team needs to learn how to draft better overall period. Its not the BPA thats gonna make a difference, its the guys in the 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th rds, etc...that will make a difference. I don't care what anyone says. This is what they need to do to fill the voids.
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The major problem with taking lineman with really early picks is it's a playmakers league, if you are a solid team without them you are what the Chiefs use to be...a playoff team that loses.
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Old 11-08-2009, 07:28 PM   #53
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By the way, for those who don't understand why we need a safety....

In the last several games, the defense hasn't been horrible. They are getting killed by giving up way too many big plays. And why are they giving up too many big plays?
1. The LBs and Safeties are not maintaining their gap responsibility. Once a RB cuts through a lane, our safeties are nowhere to be found.
2. The Safeties are showing up to break up the play 3 steps too late
3. Our safeties are taking terrible, terrible, terrible angles to make tackles, and it usually results in a receiver/running back cutting loose for a huge play that should have been stopped 20+ yards shorter.

Our safeties just exist. They don't make plays. They don't anticipate plays. They only make stops if the plays come to them. Playmakers come to plays, not the other way around. Our defense hasn't played terrible, but our safeties have been playing beyond atrocious.
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I agree.

But the key word is "FIRST DAY." Which, to me, still means first, second or third round (even if the first day is now only the first and second round).

I don't think anybody here is saying to ignore the o-line again. We're all just saying that you don't need to use a top 5 pick to get it.
Right. and Id like to express my point.

It all depends. I think if you wanna go tackle, a majority of the time those guys go in the first.

Guards, Centers can be taken in the 2nd or 3rd...But its a looooong time since I recall that the Chiefs have drafted a guard or center in the 2nd or 3rd round. Thats where I wanted to get at.
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I agree.

But, this team needs to learn how to draft better overall period. Its not the BPA thats gonna make a difference, its the guys in the 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th rds, etc...that will make a difference. I don't care what anyone says. This is what they need to do to fill the voids.
No, I disagree.

The 1st round is your only shot at getting a clear-cut playmaker. The 2nd to 5th rounds are where you get your solid guys. No Guard is ever going to be considered a "playmaker." They just do their job and some of them do it very well.

Playmakers are guys who can do above and beyond their position. Look at Polamalu. The difference between Polamalu and Bernard Pollard is that he's so good, that you can use him as an extra blitzer, you can use him in pass coverage, you can blitz the house and leave him on an island, you can even use him as an attacker in run defense. What did Sammy Knight do in KC? He covered some tight ends, he defended the box, he hit some receivers as they were coming up the middle... that's about it.

Knight, in his better years, wasn't a terrible safety. But the difference between a decent safety and a playmaker is the difference between Knight and Polamalu. You can do 1,000 things with Polamalu that you simply can't do with a solid but unspectacular starter like Knight.
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I'd rather take a playmaker first and look at lineman in the following rounds.
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The Oline is by far the worst unit on the team and they make all of skill guys on offense look worse.

Draft a LT and and you make two spots on the Oline better. Albert gets to move to RT and you have now upgraded two spots greatly. This make Cassell, Bowe, RB everybody better on the offense.

The is far from a great NFL defense, but if our offense could get a few 1st downs the other team would not get nearly as many shots.

Getting a stud LT makes 2 Oline positions better, helps the skill guys and should help the defense. No other draft pick can do this for the Chiefs.
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I hate our offensive line obsessed fan base.
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