Chiefs tried to trade Charles

[Hammock Parties]

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With Texas headed for a National Championship showdown with Alabama, two former Longhorns now playing for the Chiefs performed as if they were back in college and dominating inferior competition Sunday afternoon.

Jamaal Charles and Derrick Johnson ended the Broncos’ playoff hopes and opened positive floodgates for the 2010 Chiefs during a 44-24 win in Denver.

If you had told me before this game that Matt Cassel would only throw for 207 yards, Dwayne Bowe and Charles would catch only one pass combined and Kyle "Pro Bowl" Orton would throw for 431 yards, I’d have sworn the Chiefs would have lost on Sunday to end their miserable 2009 season. Instead, they played their best football game of the season.

With Charles setting a Chiefs’ single-game rushing record with 259 yards and Johnson scoring two touchdowns off interception returns, have we seen the birth of the new Chiefs? Did we just witness the genesis of the team we’ll see next season?

It won’t hurt if both Texas standouts are on the roster come September. Charles is a lock, but Johnson is a free agent and has not been a happy camper in Kansas City since Haley arrived with his in-your-face coaching style.

Charles’ big day almost didn’t happen. Before the trade deadline in October, Chiefs’ general manager Scott Pioli offered Charles to the Redskins for a paltry fifth-round pick. But Washington GM Vinny Cerrato felt that was too high a price to pay for a backup running back. That might be why Cerrato was fired last month.

The Chiefs held onto Charles and he has paid huge dividends. A year ago, former Chiefs Vice President of Player Personnel Bill Kuharich told me Charles was going to be a special running back, and that’s why he pushed former GM Carl Peterson to draft him in the third round.

Charles is clearly the go-to back in Kansas City based on his second-half performance this season. Kansas City now has the luxury of pursuing other needs on offense in free agency and the draft.

Johnson, even though he was primarily used in passing situations, clearly has still been KC’s best inside linebacker all season long. The Chiefs now need to make a strong play to keep him, because he’s talented enough that he’ll go somewhere else and succeed.

Charles and Johnson weren’t the only bright spots Sunday. Early, it became clear that the Chiefs were ready to play from the opening snap. The first play on offense was a 50-yard bomb to little-used wide receiver Terrance Copper, sending a message to the Broncos that the Chiefs weren’t going to lie down.

The Chiefs kept punching the Broncos in the mouth until they delivered the knockout punch – Charles’ 52-yard touchdown gallop - that eliminated Denver from the playoff race. Just for that, this game has special meaning. Chiefs fans can live the entire offseason knowing their team ended the season of an AFC West Rival that started 6-0. While New York's win Sunday night also would have eliminated the Broncos, the Chiefs had the pleasure of taking away Denver's hope early.

Who’s the better coach now? Todd Haley or Josh McDaniels? We’ll have plenty of time to debate that this offseason.

Haley showed something Sunday and will get another season to turn the ship around in Kansas City. We should have no problem with that, especially if the reports are accurate that Romeo Crennel and Charlie Weis will soon be taking over KC’s offense and defense. Crennel and Weis would give Haley two former head coaches to bounce ideas off, and that could be enough to make a huge difference next season.

This season was full of bitter disappointment for the Chiefs and for the most part it was a negative year that warranted harsh criticism. But Monday morning, that doesn’t matter. The Chiefs are undefeated in 2010. Now we wait nine months for the next game.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by the Talking Can

this


and I'd like everyone who said "Charles is the next Chris Johnson" before the season started to raise their hands....

line up next to all the people who said Pollard was a great safety and we need to keep him.....

More baseless ****ing bullshit.

From the day he was drafted:

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showt...on#post4722434

Jamaal Charles is exactly what our team needs.

Sometimes I think that people just assume that a football team is 22 players plus a kicker, punter, return man, and a long snapper. It's not. You need guys like Charles, and he fills a vital role that is far more important than just a backup.

He's going to be our third down back, and he can gash defenses with his speed. I guarantee you that he's got more breakaway speed than maybe any back but Chris Johnson (even if McFadden's 40 was faster).

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by TheGuardian

Even funnier are the stupid MF'ers who believed it without questioning it because they want to hate Pioli and Haley so badly.

Oh, the irony.

Let's take a look at past history:

Everyone is on the block

Add in the fact that we traded two players before the deadline

Then add in the fact that Charles was languishing on the bench

Then add in the fact that Washington needed a RB b/c Portis was brain dead.

But, since Pioli has no history of trading players from prior regimes, like say Tank Tyler or Tyler Thigpen, the thought that he'd trade another backup is completely out of the ****ing question, especially when he said that everyone, sans Matt Delhomme was on the block.

And we are the ones who are blinded by emotion.

Right.

[the Talking Can]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

More baseless ****ing bullshit.

From the day he was drafted:

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showt...on#post4722434

Jamaal Charles is exactly what our team needs.

Sometimes I think that people just assume that a football team is 22 players plus a kicker, punter, return man, and a long snapper. It's not. You need guys like Charles, and he fills a vital role that is far more important than just a backup.

He's going to be our third down back, and he can gash defenses with his speed. I guarantee you that he's got more breakaway speed than maybe any back but Chris Johnson (even if McFadden's 40 was faster).

great, you can stand in the "he's a 3rd down back" line.....

still no one in the "he's our feature back" line....



and you're upset because athen claims we tried to trade what you believed was a 3rd down back?

fascinating

[doomy3]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Oh, the irony.

Let's take a look at past history:

Everyone is on the block

Add in the fact that we traded two players before the deadline

Then add in the fact that Charles was languishing on the bench

Then add in the fact that Washington needed a RB b/c Portis was brain dead.

But, since Pioli has no history of trading players from prior regimes, like say Tank Tyler or Tyler Thigpen, the thought that he'd trade another backup is completely out of the ****ing question, especially when he said that everyone, sans Matt Delhomme was on the block.

And we are the ones who are blinded by emotion.

Right.

Clinton Portis was healthy until after the trade deadline, as was Ladell Betts. In fact, we PLAYED Washington in week 6, after the deadline, and Portis rushed for over 100yards. So, you still think we were talking to Washington about trading them Charles, the week we played them, while they still had two healthy, very capable backs?

[wild1]

I was campaigning for Charles to be the starter over Larry Johnson. I wanted Johnson cut before the season so he wouldn't collect his salary this year. I posted a thread early in the season begging for the change.

But, I can't claim it was because I recognizes Charles was a Chris Johnson. It was just because I realized Larry Johnson is washed up earlier than some.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by the Talking Can

great, you can stand in the "he's a 3rd down back" line.....

still no one in the "he's our feature back" line....



and you're upset because athen claims we tried to trade what you believed was a 3rd down back?

fascinating

Yeah, I mean, it's not like I said he had more breakaway speed than anyone but Chris Johnson, or that he was far more important than getting a lineman there (because I was replying to BRC's complaint that we didn't draft Jeremy Zuttah, FWIW).

Again, keep making shit up.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by doomy3

Clinton Portis was healthy until after the trade deadline, as was Ladell Betts. In fact, we PLAYED Washington in week 6, after the deadline, and Portis rushed for over 100yards. So, you still think we were talking to Washington about trading them Charles, the week we played them, while they still had two healthy, very capable backs?

Two capable backs? Betts was 30 years old, and neither he nor Portis have breakaway speed unless they are getting an escort down the sidelines from Mike Brown.

Somehow, I don't think that the Redskins, who have a long and illustrious history of trading picks for players, would find it out of the possibility that they could trade for a 22 year old running back when the combined age of their "top two" is 58.

[TheGuardian]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Oh, the irony.

Let's take a look at past history:

Everyone is on the block

Add in the fact that we traded two players before the deadline

Then add in the fact that Charles was languishing on the bench

Then add in the fact that Washington needed a RB b/c Portis was brain dead.

But, since Pioli has no history of trading players from prior regimes, like say Tank Tyler or Tyler Thigpen, the thought that he'd trade another backup is completely out of the ****ing question, especially when he said that everyone, sans Matt Delhomme was on the block.

And we are the ones who are blinded by emotion.

Right.

I don't have any "emotion" in this because I give everyone a fair shake until they prove otherwise.

You went off on this even though not a shred of proof has been offered up that it has teeth. Why? Because you've got some axe to grind with Haley and Pioli.

If you can stand up say that you were complaining for Charles to replace Larry all season then point to where you said it. Otherwise you don't have any ground to stand on about how bad the player evaluation is on this team. It's just something else for you to bitch about.

Hell we won in Denver yesterday and you and Mecca and others are bitching. We can't even win in dominating fashion without you guys finding something to bitch about.

[the Talking Can]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Yeah, I mean, it's not like I said he had more breakaway speed than anyone but Chris Johnson, or that he was far more important than getting a lineman there (because I was replying to BRC's complaint that we didn't draft Jeremy Zuttah, FWIW).

Again, keep making shit up.

they're your words

you thought he was a 3rd down back.....good for you, you're smarter than um well, nobody...as you had no more clue about his actual potential than anyone...

i'm not trying to stop you from crying about it....so, please, pardon my audacity of quoting YOUR EXACT WORDS and return to your throne, tears, teeth gnashing, wailing and all....

[TheGuardian]

If Hamas said that Charles was nothing more than a 3rd down back then he needs to st.f.u about the player evaluation skills of the front office and bitching about the OP story that so far, doesn't have any teeth. It's ridiculous.

Nevermind, just saw it........

He's going to be our third down back

So there it is. Now about it.

[Frankie]

Originally Posted by wild1

Thanks for letting me know that I can disregard your opinion on everything.

I didn't expect you to detect humor/sarcasm. But thanks for proving it.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by the Talking Can

they're your words

you thought he was a 3rd down back.....good for you, you're smarter than um well, nobody...as you had no more clue about his actual potential than anyone...

i'm not trying to stop you from crying like about it....so, please, pardon my audacity of quoting YOUR EXACT WORDS and return to your throne, tears, teeth gnashing, wailing and all....

....

On hearing about the deactivation of Charles

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

What the ****.........

I'm sorry, the guy is our best RB.

Originally Posted by Hootie

well...shows how much you know

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Yeah, because Larry Johnson, Jackie Battle, and Dantrell Savage offer any playmaking ability.

Originally Posted by The Bad Guy

I usually agree with your takes. This isn't one of those times.

But yes, I'm a Johnny-Come-Lately when it comes to Charles.

[OnTheWarpath15]

Originally Posted by TheGuardian

If Hamas said that Charles was nothing more than a 3rd down back then he needs to st.f.u about the player evaluation skills of the front office and bitching about the OP story that so far, doesn't have any teeth. It's ridiculous.

Nevermind, just saw it........



So there it is. Now about it.

You have quite a way with words, and well, actually reading them.

Nowhere in that post does he claim that Charles was nothing more than a 3rd down back, or that he'd never be more than a 3rd down back, only that he would serve that purpose. Implying that he'd be a 3rd down back his rookie year. Nothing referencing the future.

Again, the post in question is from right after we drafted him.

Reading is fundamental.

[wild1]

Originally Posted by Frankie

I didn't expect you to detect humor/sarcasm. But thanks for proving it.

I can detect stupid, and it's not rocket science... the word Frankie is usually close by.

[Chief Henry]

Originally Posted by the Talking Can

you're smarter than um well, nobody