Chiefs Good Gretz Article on KC's lack of run defense - Page 3

Chiefnj2 · 01-13-2010, 12:44 PM

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The Problem Waiting For Romeo … Wednesday Cup O’Chiefs
January 13, 2010 - Bob Gretz | Comments (23)

If Romeo Crennel has watched the Chiefs at all during the 2009 NFL season, he already knows the biggest challenge facing him when he takes over the club’s defense. If Crennel wasn’t watching, then he’s got a real bad surprise coming to him if/when he signs on.

There are a lot of hurdles the Chiefs must overcome to return to contender status. Scott Pioli, Todd Haley, Charlie Weis and soon it appears Crennel will have their hands full lifting all parts of the franchise.

The area that is the most important and needs the biggest change comes with their ability to stop the run.

With the exception of their AFC West division mates in Oakland, nobody in the league has been worse against the run over the last three seasons than the Chiefs. They have given up an average of 148.7 rushing yards per game. And, there is no coincidence that they are 10-38 in those three seasons.

There is also no doubt that one of the cornerstones for any real contender is being able to stop the run. Over the last three seasons (2007-09) here are the stats for the best and worst defenses in the league, along with the team’s overall record:

NFL RUSHING DEFENSES (2007-09)

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It’s pretty remarkable that over the last three years, three of the worst five run defenses in the league have been in the AFC West. San Diego has given up an average of 109.1 rushing yards per game in the last three years, with a 32-16 record and three division titles.

The Chiefs have gotten worse when it comes to stopping the run in each of the last three seasons. This year, when you pull the curtain back on the 531 carries and 2,504 yards that opponents racked up against the K.C. defense during the’09 season:

YARDS ALLOWED: That 2,504-yard total was next to last in the league. Tampa Bay was last allowing 2,531 rushing yards. The best rushing defense was Green Bay, as the Packers allowed 1,333 rushing yards. The NFL average was 1866.7 yards.

YARDS PER RUNNING PLAY: Opponents averaged 4.7 yards per carry against the Chiefs, placing them tied for 30th among the league’s 32 defenses. Baltimore led the league with the lowest average per carry at 3.4 yards. The NFL average was 4.2 yards.

NEGATIVE RUNS: The Chiefs were tied for 30th in the league in runs stopped for negative yardage. It was 26 runs for a minus-48 yards. The New York Giants and Oakland led the league with 55 stops for minus yards.

RUNS ALLOWED FOR +4 YARDS: They were 29th, as 47.5 percent of the runs against them went for four yards or more, that was 252 out of 531 carries.

RUNS ALLOWED FOR +10 YARDS: The KC defense was 26th in the NFL, giving up 57 runs for more than 10 yards. The leader with the fewest was Pittsburgh with 35.

FIRST-DOWN RUSHING – The Chiefs were 31st in the league, giving up 1,467 of their rushing yards on first down, an average of 5.22 yards per carry. Only 12 of those first down running plays were stopped for minus yards.

Massage the numbers and they all come out the same: the Chiefs are horrible against the run and it’s the biggest problem keeping them out of the victory column each Sunday. In the last 48 games, the Chiefs have allowed 20 running backs go for 100 yards or more. Those numbers came down in 19 games. In those games the Chiefs were 4-15, or a .210 winning percentage.

During his four seasons as defensive coordinator of the Patriots, Crennel saw his defense help win three Super Bowls. In the 2001, 2003 and 2004 seasons, the New England defense finished 19th, 4th and 6th against the run. They allowed an average of 101.3 rushing yards per game and 3.9 yards per carry.

So Crennel knows good run defense. He’s seen it, he’s coached it and he’ll demand plenty of it when he takes over the Chiefs defense.

For the Chiefs to get out of the NFL basement, they have to get out of the defensive basement when it comes to stopping the run.

milkman · 01-13-2010, 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

They run a different 34 than KC. 1 gap vs 2 gap. If KC keeps the current scheme they need an immovable object in the middle.

We might be able to pick up an older free agent on the market this offseason, but without trades, the value won't be there at NT in the draft when we're picking.

**Lzen** · 01-13-2010, 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman

Yeah, that too.

However, my post is due to the fact that CoMo thinks he should be our first pick.

Kiss of death.

Eh, even a blind squirrel finds a nut once in awhile.

siberian khatru · 01-13-2010, 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Lzen

Eh, even a blind squirrel finds a nut once in awhile.

A blind, reeruned squirrel with no legs lying in a coma who makes Terri Schiavo look like Liza Minnelli doing an encore on Broadway?

Chiefnj2 · 01-13-2010, 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman

We might be able to pick up an older free agent on the market this offseason, but without trades, the value won't be there at NT in the draft when we're picking.

The "value" argument IMO isn't as important as hitting on your first round pick. It's great if you can hit and get value, but at the end of the day getting a very good player outweighs the value argument IMO.

philfree · 01-13-2010, 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

The "value" argument IMO isn't as important as hitting on your first round pick. It's great if you can hit and get value, but at the end of the day getting a very good player outweighs the value argument IMO.

I agree. Value is great and all but as soon as the draft is over draft value has no value. Wasn't Doresy a good value pick? He may still turn into a good player but where is all that draft value right now? Also a player may have value for one team but may not have value for another. Value to a point.

PhilFree

**OnTheWarpath15** · 01-13-2010, 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

The "value" argument IMO isn't as important as hitting on your first round pick. It's great if you can hit and get value, but at the end of the day getting a very good player outweighs the value argument IMO.

You better get more than a "very good player" when drafting in the Top 5.

Period.

B_Ambuehl · 01-13-2010, 02:35 PM

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Gretz, why did you leave out the ranking for the 2002 Patriots?

In the 2001, 2003 and 2004 seasons, the New England defense finished 19th, 4th and 6th against the run.

Because they finished 31st against the run?

Clevelands rushing D with Romeo as HC:

2008: 28th
2007: 27th
2006: 29th
2005: 30th

Keep trying to pour the kool-aid!!

keg in kc · 01-13-2010, 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

The "value" argument IMO isn't as important as hitting on your first round pick. It's great if you can hit and get value, but at the end of the day getting a very good player outweighs the value argument IMO.

That logic works if you're picking 25. Not so much at 5.

Isn't much to choose from this year, in any case. Pretty much Cody and Williams, neither of whom's a top-5 calibre pick.

We'd be smarter looking in free agency or later in the draft.

Wilson8 · 01-13-2010, 02:48 PM

It still comes down to the players -

KC has Corey Mays and Demorrio Williams starting at inside linebacker. They also have Tyson Jackson and Ron Edwards on the D-line with Tamba Hali on the outside. None of these guys are hold your ground, physical run stoppers.

The Chiefs need to at least improve their personnel at NT and MLB if they want to improve against the run.

**DeezNutz** · 01-13-2010, 02:49 PM

Safeties being out of position rarely had a negative impact on the run D this season.

Archie Bunker · 01-13-2010, 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by B_Ambuehl

Clevelands rushing D with Romeo as HC:

2008: 28th
2007: 27th
2006: 29th
2005: 30th

Keep trying to pour the kool-aid!!

Hopefully if we pour enough kool-aid you'll drown in it.

**doomy3** · 01-13-2010, 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by B_Ambuehl

Clevelands rushing D with Romeo as HC:

2008: 28th
2007: 27th
2006: 29th
2005: 30th

Keep trying to pour the kool-aid!!

So, who would you have liked to see brought in as DC?

**doomy3** · 01-13-2010, 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Archie Bunker

Hopefully if we pour enough kool-aid you'll drown in it.

This.

**DeezNutz** · 01-13-2010, 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by B_Ambuehl

Clevelands rushing D with Romeo as HC:

2008: 28th
2007: 27th
2006: 29th
2005: 30th

Keep trying to pour the kool-aid!!

In fairness, I think Haley is a very competent play caller, but his offense sucked ass in KC.

There can be other factors involved. Naturally, this doesn't excuse our newest fat man completely.

Chiefnj2 · 01-13-2010, 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

You better get more than a "very good player" when drafting in the Top 5.

Period.

If you get a very good player you are doing well with the top 5 pick.

If you look at the top 5 picks from 2003-2007, how many are better than "very good"? Andre Johnson, Fitzgerald, Joe Thomas, anyone else?

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