Chiefs Whitlock LOLs at the Patsification of the Chiefs - Page 20

Hammock Parties · 01-14-2010, 01:33 AM

http://www.kansascity.com/sports/col...y/1682402.html

Wake me when the Chiefs sign Tom Brady, the one with two healthy knees and fearless pocket demeanor.

Until then, I’ll take a wait-and-see approach with Scott Pioli’s New England Relocation Plan.

Right now, this smells like a Jackson Five reunion tour without Michael (Brady) or Janet (Bill Belichick).

Romeo “Tito” Crennel, the defensive coordinator, joins Pioli, Charlie Weis, Matt Cassel, Mike Vrabel and ex-Pats to be named later in what appears to be a lame attempt at recreating the New England Dynasty.

Let me apologize for being unimpressed with this lineup.

You’re tired of reading it, and I’m tired of writing it. Unfortunately, I’m paid to tell you what I really think. Romeo Crennel sounds great on paper. He won three Super Bowls while holding the title of “defensive coordinator” for Belichick’s Patriots.

Tito sold a bunch of records plucking a guitar and singing backup for Michael Jackson. Without The Gloved One, we never heard of Tito again until Michael passed.

Romeo flamed out in Cleveland as a head coach. Of all the Belichick assistants during the Super Bowl years, Crennel was the one with the least amount of responsibility on his plate. Belichick designed the defenses.

When Crennel got the Cleveland job, I asked a longtime Patriots defender what he thought of the hire, and the player told me flat out that he never envisioned Romeo as a head coach.

It’s just one player, one opinion. And not being head-coach material doesn’t disqualify someone from being a top-flight coordinator.

In fact, I touched base with the player again on Wednesday, and he assured me that Crennel installed the defensive game plan throughout the week without interference from Belichick and that Crennel called the game.

The player also assured me that Belichick had his fingerprints on everything that transpired with the team — special teams, offense, defense and front-office decisions.

I’m just not sold on Crennel. As a coordinator, Crennel has far more to prove than Charlie Weis. No one I’ve talked to doubts Weis’ ability to create innovative game plans. (Everyone I’ve talked to doubts Weis’ ability to control his ego.)

Crennel worked for Belichick, who specializes in defense. Bill Parcells never won a Super Bowl without Belichick working as his defensive coordinator.

Hey, maybe one day we will be saying the same thing about Belichick and Crennel.

Today, all I’m sure of is that Crennel’s hiring increases the likelihood that Todd Haley is in a make-or-break season in 2010.

If things go poorly next season, don’t look for Pioli, Weis and Crennel to take the blame. They have nine Super Bowl rings among them. In their mind, they know exactly what it takes to win at the highest level in the NFL.

Haley either has no political savvy, no interest in playing the kind of politics that enhances a coach’s longevity or zero leverage when putting together a coaching staff.

Given the previous working relationship of Pioli, Weis and Crennel — and Weis’ oversized ego — it would be a seamless transition for Pioli to install Weis as head coach midway through the 2010 season or at the start of 2011.

My gut says Haley’s ego and gambling nature make him unaware of the ramifications of his decisions. Firing Chan Gailey was a colossal error. With the offensive personnel provided to him by Pioli, Haley should’ve held on to Gailey for a season. There was no reason for the head coach to attach his reputation and credibility to a receiver-less offense.

Good coaches are paranoid. They perceive every move by ownership/management as a potential threat to their power. Paranoia is what drives a good coach to be great. Paranoia is what makes a coach sleep at his office and punt on fourth down.

Look at Belichick. He’s been spoiled by success. That’s why he went for it on fourth and 2 against the Colts. He’s losing his paranoia.

Haley’s background is extremely unusual for an NFL head coach. Golfers focus on a single obstacle, the course. A football coach worries about a million things, including what his assistants may or may not be plotting.

**HemiEd** · 01-14-2010, 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Flopnuts

I think most of you guys are excited about these hires, and you have every reason to be. I'm excited about these hires. Whatever one thinks of the strategy being employed at 1 Arrowhead Dr. there is simply not better choices for these jobs.

For what the front office and head coach are trying to do, Weis and Crennel are the best fits. But, that doesn't mean it's going to work. That's really all Jason is saying. I don't see the problem.

Stop being homers for 2 seconds and read the article with some objectivity. Then put the homer glasses back on. That's pretty much what I did. I really don't think this was a negative article. It was just filled with skepticism. Why shouldn't it be?

He lost me with his mention of Weis's ego, he needs to get off that ego tirade. Everyone has a ****ing ego, and none are any bigger than Whitlock's.

Right now I am so pumped that they got these two guys, I don't want to popcorn farts out of Whitlock wanting attention.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 01-14-2010, 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by beach tribe

I think after bringing in Weis, There is no way Pioli gives him that $ if he plays like he did this year. The Pats never seemed to have a problem with dumping a player that isn't earning his dough.

I hope you're right. I really do.

I just don't see it.

Saccopoo · 01-14-2010, 12:47 PM

Personally, I don't understand the bitching about Cassel's contract. I mean, we could be Redskin fans and have to watch Haynesworth fake an injury to pull himself out of the game for a breather every five downs.

DaWolf · 01-14-2010, 12:48 PM

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Haley either has no political savvy, no interest in playing the kind of politics that enhances a coach’s longevity or zero leverage when putting together a coaching staff.

Classic. There's no chance that Haley actually doesn't have this huge ego that Whitlock loves to rant about and actually understands that in order to be a good head coach, you need to surround yourself with good assistants who share the same philosophy as you and who are not afraid to disagree with you when necessary, not a bunch of yes men.

The real heat is on Pioli to get these guys the talent they need. He has his hand chosen head coach in place, and he has multiple Super Bowl winning coordinators on staff. It all comes down to player acquisition now. But Whitlock totally whiffs on this point and continues to harp on the same tired ego thing.

Frankly I don't get his whole "Haley should have kept Gailey around and used him as a scapegoat for failure" argument. If you are in charge of my franchise, you better not be looking for excuses for failure. If you are going to fail, at least give it your all. Whitlock is promoting a cowardly approach to coaching, and to me, that would be far worse than having an ego...

Micjones · 01-14-2010, 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Solid stats on the surface, that when analyzed further, see that he can't complete passes over 10 yards regularly, even when given the benefit of the best deep threat in the game, and the best possession WR in the game. His entire game revolves on dumping the ball off, and hoping the WR/RB can break it.

With inferior talent... He completed just as many passes over 20+ yards as he had the year prior.

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And regarding leadership, I disagree. That stunt he pulled with Albert wasn't something a leader does on the field.

We can agree to disagree. That was but one incident.

stevieray · 01-14-2010, 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Micjones

We can agree to disagree. That was but one incident.

He and Albert both came to the defense of JC on the UR call.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 01-14-2010, 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Micjones

Contract be damned. That might change the entire argument.

Good thing their annual salaries weren't dictated by the contract.

His salary was $15M this year.
14 of which was guaranteed to him by his former franchise when they used the tag on him.

Jesus, the entire argument is that he was OVERPAID BASED ON HIS PRODUCTION THIS YEAR.

And he'll be overpaid NEXT YEAR as well.

And with a $12-13M salary in 2011, barring him leading this team to at least a playoff win, he'll be overpaid then as well.

But right this second, we're talking about 2009.

beach tribe · 01-14-2010, 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

I hope you're right. I really do.

I just don't see it.

I tell you what, If he does give him that bonus after another season like this one
I'll be right in line to throw some criticism, because by then, everyone will have had time to prove who they are or aren't.
I really do think that if cassel flops again this year with Weis, he's getting the Chop, if not, I'm gonna be one pissed off camper, BUT, if he shows marked improvement, and by that I mean doesn't look like a scared bitch, hangs in the pocket, and gets rid of the ball, then they will have to give him another shot, but that doesn't mean that they can't bring in another guy, which I think they should do anyway.

stevieray · 01-14-2010, 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Jesus, the entire argument is that he was OVERPAID BASED ON HIS PRODUCTION THIS YEAR.

And he'll be overpaid NEXT YEAR as well.

And with a $12-13M salary in 2011, barring him leading this team to at least a playoff win, he'll be overpaid then as well.

who determines his worth?

Micjones · 01-14-2010, 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Jesus, the entire argument is that he was OVERPAID BASED ON HIS PRODUCTION THIS YEAR.

And he'll be overpaid NEXT YEAR as well.

And with a $12-13M salary in 2011, barring him leading this team to at least a playoff win, he'll be overpaid then as well.

But right this second, we're talking about 2009.

That's the tricky part about NFL contracts.
They come before the material results are known.

Obviously he was overpaid based on his performance, but so were a bunch of other QB's in the NFL.

I was just hoping you'd realize that there are other factors in play like WHEN the contracts were signed, the fact that all but $1M was already guaranteed to him because of the franchise tag that New England placed on him, and how the economy in the NFL is ever-changing.

You won't. So as you were soldier.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 01-14-2010, 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by stevieray

who determines his worth?

THE MARKET, STEVE.

Which Pioli eliminated by taking on a franchised player.

Had Belichick not been a ****ing genius and franchised Cassel, knowing someone would be dumb enough to take him and his tag number, do you really think that Cassel would have commanded that contract on the open market?

He would have been lucky to get half of it, and $8M a year is probably overdoing it as well.

stevieray · 01-14-2010, 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

THE MARKET, STEVE.

.

THAT'S RIGHT, CHIP.

your frustration is misguided.

beach tribe · 01-14-2010, 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

THE MARKET, STEVE.

Which Pioli eliminated by taking on a franchised player.

Had Belichick not been a ****ing genius and franchised Cassel, knowing someone would be dumb enough to take him and his tag number, do you really think that Cassel would have commanded that contract on the open market?

He would have been lucky to get half of it, and $8M a year is probably overdoing it as well.

Just a hypothetical:

If Cassel is in the top ten in Rating, and TD passes next season you would consider him worth that kind of money right?

Hammock Parties · 01-14-2010, 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Saccopoo

And while Jackson didn't have a Pro Bowl level season, he sure as shit looked better than, say, Sims, Siavii, Freeman and a boatload of DL Carl picks that were absolute turds.

Actually, he didn't.

Even Sims had a better rookie season.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 01-14-2010, 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by stevieray

THAT'S RIGHT, CHIP.

your frustration is misguided.

Misguided?

My frustration is right where it belongs, aimed right at Scott Pioli.

It's not Cassel's fault Pioli not only traded a valuable pick for him, but is forking over Elite QB-type dollars.

Just like it's not Tyson Jackson's fault that Pioli took him half a round higher than his talent dictated, putting the kid in the unenviable position of never living up to his draft slot.

PIOLI made these decisions.

01-14-2010, 01:33 AM
Hammock Parties I'll be back. Join Date: Nov 2002 Casino cash: $920478	Whitlock LOLs at the Patsification of the Chiefs http://www.kansascity.com/sports/col...y/1682402.html Wake me when the Chiefs sign Tom Brady, the one with two healthy knees and fearless pocket demeanor. Until then, I’ll take a wait-and-see approach with Scott Pioli’s New England Relocation Plan. Right now, this smells like a Jackson Five reunion tour without Michael (Brady) or Janet (Bill Belichick). Romeo “Tito” Crennel, the defensive coordinator, joins Pioli, Charlie Weis, Matt Cassel, Mike Vrabel and ex-Pats to be named later in what appears to be a lame attempt at recreating the New England Dynasty. Let me apologize for being unimpressed with this lineup. You’re tired of reading it, and I’m tired of writing it. Unfortunately, I’m paid to tell you what I really think. Romeo Crennel sounds great on paper. He won three Super Bowls while holding the title of “defensive coordinator” for Belichick’s Patriots. Tito sold a bunch of records plucking a guitar and singing backup for Michael Jackson. Without The Gloved One, we never heard of Tito again until Michael passed. Romeo flamed out in Cleveland as a head coach. Of all the Belichick assistants during the Super Bowl years, Crennel was the one with the least amount of responsibility on his plate. Belichick designed the defenses. When Crennel got the Cleveland job, I asked a longtime Patriots defender what he thought of the hire, and the player told me flat out that he never envisioned Romeo as a head coach. It’s just one player, one opinion. And not being head-coach material doesn’t disqualify someone from being a top-flight coordinator. In fact, I touched base with the player again on Wednesday, and he assured me that Crennel installed the defensive game plan throughout the week without interference from Belichick and that Crennel called the game. The player also assured me that Belichick had his fingerprints on everything that transpired with the team — special teams, offense, defense and front-office decisions. I’m just not sold on Crennel. As a coordinator, Crennel has far more to prove than Charlie Weis. No one I’ve talked to doubts Weis’ ability to create innovative game plans. (Everyone I’ve talked to doubts Weis’ ability to control his ego.) Crennel worked for Belichick, who specializes in defense. Bill Parcells never won a Super Bowl without Belichick working as his defensive coordinator. Hey, maybe one day we will be saying the same thing about Belichick and Crennel. Today, all I’m sure of is that Crennel’s hiring increases the likelihood that Todd Haley is in a make-or-break season in 2010. If things go poorly next season, don’t look for Pioli, Weis and Crennel to take the blame. They have nine Super Bowl rings among them. In their mind, they know exactly what it takes to win at the highest level in the NFL. Haley either has no political savvy, no interest in playing the kind of politics that enhances a coach’s longevity or zero leverage when putting together a coaching staff. Given the previous working relationship of Pioli, Weis and Crennel — and Weis’ oversized ego — it would be a seamless transition for Pioli to install Weis as head coach midway through the 2010 season or at the start of 2011. My gut says Haley’s ego and gambling nature make him unaware of the ramifications of his decisions. Firing Chan Gailey was a colossal error. With the offensive personnel provided to him by Pioli, Haley should’ve held on to Gailey for a season. There was no reason for the head coach to attach his reputation and credibility to a receiver-less offense. Good coaches are paranoid. They perceive every move by ownership/management as a potential threat to their power. Paranoia is what drives a good coach to be great. Paranoia is what makes a coach sleep at his office and punt on fourth down. Look at Belichick. He’s been spoiled by success. That’s why he went for it on fourth and 2 against the Colts. He’s losing his paranoia. Haley’s background is extremely unusual for an NFL head coach. Golfers focus on a single obstacle, the course. A football coach worries about a million things, including what his assistants may or may not be plotting.
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