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Saccopoo · 08-23-2010, 01:57 PM

Since I have the day off, I thought I'd watch the game again which was rebroadcast this morning/afternoon. My impressions:

The Good:

Matt Cassel
- Matt was crisp with his throws, put the ball exactly where it needed to be with good velocity and was excellent in recognizing mismatches (the field goal ending drive in the second half was top notch, where Charles was thrown to when he had a mismatch with a linebacker split wide and to Thomas Jones when he drew a defensive end). A very solid outing by Cassel.

Jamal Charles
- Charles looks a lot smoother and fluid this year running the ball, while still maintaining his speed. If he had a decent offensive line to run behind, we’d potentially be looking at some mind boggling statistics from him. He showed patience in letting his holes, albeit small ones, develop and caught the ball well out of the backfield.

Jovan Belcher
- Really looked good out there filling the gaps and getting to the ball. Showed a lot of strength on numerous plays by standing up and pushing back offensive linemen one on one. Very instinctive.

Tampa Bay Buccaneer Cheerleaders
- The young lady at the 8:03 mark in the fourth quarter...oh, mama.

The Bad:

Branden Albert
- Was constantly beat and out quicked. He got stood up several times by substantially smaller linebackers and couldn’t lock onto his man on run plays. Sorry Milkman, but this isn’t an adgenda or slanted bias. Albert simply isn’t very good.

Leonard Pope
- Caught a couple of balls, but ran horrible routes and can’t block. Ninth team TE Cody Slate (#80) looked All-Pro by comparison when he played in the fourth quarter.

Derrick Johnson
- Was non-existent and missed an easy tackle in the first quarter on a side line play allowing an extra five yards. Demarrio Williams looks like he knows that the starting ILB job is completely available as he showed a lot of fire and hustle in the second half.

The Ugly:

Thomas Jones
- Looked good running the ball in the first half, but coughed up the ball giving the Bucs excellent field position.

Brandon Flowers
- Whiff! Really bad decision and timing going for a pick when the ball was already at the defender. Touchdown Tampa.

Tony Moeaki
- I mean, really? He’s going to make Brodie Croyle look like Cal Ripken by comparison.

Random Observations:

The Chiefs were the better team and if it wasn’t a preseason game, they would have won this one going away. The running game looked really good with Jones, Charles and Battle all getting nice chunks of yardage on the ground. Weigmann should be fully entrenched as the starting center, which is a good thing. Nice to have Casey back in town. Tyson Jackson looked a lot better this game versus Atlanta. He pushed his man around a lot more and even had a quarterback pressure. Baby steps. Kendrick Lewis is outplaying Eric Berry so far at the safety spot, though Berry had a nice special teams tackle to start the game. A much better executed offensive game plan/play calling than in week one. Defense was still very vanilla. Brandon Carr looked very good and active. I’d like to see Asamoah getting reps at the LG spot with the second team versus RG as Waters looks like he’s running in lead boots out there. Rookie Lemuel Jean-Pierre looked solid at the center position when he got the chance in the fourth quarter.

ToxSocks · 08-23-2010, 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by CoMoChief

Priest Holmes > Jamaal Charles.

Priest could block and IMO is a much better catcher out of the backfield....in fact he's one of the best ever at it.

JC has busted more big runs behind this shitty O-Line than Priest EVER did. JC would be balls out behind that 03 Line and it wouldn't even be close.

Priest could block better, yeah, but we're talking about running here. And a better pass catcher? Meh. That's debatable. JC can do a lot more in open space than Priest could.

CoMoChief · 08-23-2010, 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Detoxing

JC has busted more big runs behind this shitty O-Line than Priest EVER did. JC would be balls out behind that 03 Line and it wouldn't even be close.

Priest could block better, yeah, but we're talking about running here. And a better pass catcher? Meh. That's debatable. JC can do a lot more in open space than Priest could.

Just sayin', speed isn't everything.

Rasputin · 08-23-2010, 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by CoMoChief

Just sayin', speed isn't everything.

When it's said & done, bet Jamaal has more yard, TDs than Priest. However he won't have the carries it'l be from screen passes.

**Ming the Merciless** · 08-23-2010, 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Pneuma

I just wish he was able to throw past 15 yards....

Go back and look at the TD pass...It went 15+ yards in the air, with zip and accuracy.

LaChapelle · 08-23-2010, 05:09 PM

I watched the Chiefs' version Saturday
I bet today's was the winning team's rerun
it changes perspective admit it or not

Rasputin · 08-23-2010, 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Pawnmower

Go back and look at the TD pass...It went 15+ yards in the air, with zip and accuracy.

I saw the same play, and thought it was am impressive throw by Matt. Why can't he do that more often? Why do we make fun of him for not doing it then. He proved he can do it. Can he do it game time on the line? It would be nice if he was consistant at throwing balls, he is not consistant enough for me. Why do we have to wait so long for him to show his cannon arm? What is it about Cassell that makes people go WOW theres a franchise QB? He is not he has been back up QB & gets his shot do to injury. Then lucky is he, for him to have Pioli like him to go to the Chiefs, who don't have a QB good enough or durable enough to have compitition.

He is the utmost boring QB I've ever watched, boring is he. Take the snap drop back 3 steps and get rid of the ball now! Now thow the ball NOW. Zip it do D Bowe NOW no NOW not .... no-w-sack too late.

allen_kcCard · 08-23-2010, 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Cool han Luke

He is the utmost boaring QB I've ever watched, boaring is he.

Paging Hog Farmer to explain the art of boaring.

Boring, on the other hand, is what you were getting at, but for some, boaring pays the bills.

Rasputin · 08-23-2010, 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by allen_kcCard

Paging Hog Farmer to explain the art of boaring.

Boring, on the other hand, is what you were getting at, but for some, boaring pays the bills.

Yes boring, i can go back and edit my post

allen_kcCard · 08-23-2010, 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Cool han Luke

Yes boring, i can go back and edit my post

No no no...I want to hear Hog Farmer droppin some knowledge.

Over-Head · 08-23-2010, 05:41 PM

Did ya do any better in the replay than ya did on game day?

Ralphy Boy · 08-23-2010, 05:58 PM

I wish Cassel's problem was the long ball, its not. Its the short passes where he sucks balls, which is far worse IMO.

Some of you all just make me scratch my head. Its like some people want Cassel to suck so bad that they forget what he is bad at. I, for one, was very happy to see Cassel completing those short passes and you should be too because that was where he sucked balls last year.

His inability to complete, what are normally, high percentage passes absolutely killed us last year. I don't care to debate the WR issues, we all know them.

His stats last season stack up very well to most QB's on passes 31 yards and over. He completed 41% of his 12 passes in the 31-40 yard range last season. That is better than most; including Brady, Manning and the beloved Aaron Rodgers. He also completed a higher percentage of throws over 40 yards than any of them, though he did throw less passes.

He absolutely was horrific on passes thrown 21-30 yards, 20%. That is less than every other QB I compared him to by a very large margin and his passes completed from 11-20 were 43.8%. Meanwhile those same QB's (Brady, Manning and Rodgers) completed 55.9%, 60.7% and 53.1% respectively.

Cassel doesn't need a cannon, he needs a laser and what he showed us last season was anything but. He did very well against Tampa on those short passes, that everyone is knocking him over, but IMO that is exactly what he needs to be working on.

**BossChief** · 08-23-2010, 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Ralphy Boy

His stats last season stack up very well to most QB's on passes 31 yards and over. He completed 41% of his 12 passes in the 31-40 yard range last season. That is better than most; including Brady, Manning and the beloved Aaron Rodgers. He also completed a higher percentage of throws over 40 yards than any of them, though he did throw less passes.

see, this is where stats can blatantly lie to people that just look at them as sole proof.

The guy only completed 16 passes over 20 yards... all year.

Of those 16 passes, I bet at least 6 of them were catches by Chris Chambers had to stop his route and come back to the football because the pass was soo off.

I think he will develop into a good short route thrower and decision maker, but the thing that will keep us from beating good teams is the lack of stretching the field. Its too bad, this running game could explode on a grand scale if we could consistently keep the opposing safeties out of the box.

ChiefsCountry · 08-23-2010, 06:26 PM

Wow Sacofshit bashing Albert imagine that.

**SAUTO** · 08-23-2010, 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Great Expectations

The first throw to Chambers for the completion was clearly behind him. A throw on the money could have led to a much larger gain. All the fade routes (are they running these outside of the red zone because of his arm strength) were way off target. The lob to T Jones wasn't very accurate.

I'm not sure that his TD pass was received by the player he intended to throw it to.

I didn't realize the UGLY part was just for specific plays, I thought it was for total performance.

The Flowers deal isn't that big because it was in pre-season and we already know he can perform.

the throw to chambers was where it hed to be imo. lead him and number 36 either gets a pick or takes chambers' head off while making the catch. amd the td was right on target to horne.
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milkman · 08-23-2010, 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

Wow Sacofshit bashing Albert imagine that.

I ****ing forgot to set the game to record.

However, if Albert looked the same in this game as he did in Atlanta, then I have no problem with Okung's sac "bashing" Albert.

In that Atlanta game, he looked like he didn't do any work in the offseason on his own to improve his technique, and that is inexcusable, IMO.

08-23-2010, 01:57 PM
Saccopoo Kindness in words... Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Zion Casino cash: $10025483	Chiefs vs. Bucs Since I have the day off, I thought I'd watch the game again which was rebroadcast this morning/afternoon. My impressions: The Good: Matt Cassel - Matt was crisp with his throws, put the ball exactly where it needed to be with good velocity and was excellent in recognizing mismatches (the field goal ending drive in the second half was top notch, where Charles was thrown to when he had a mismatch with a linebacker split wide and to Thomas Jones when he drew a defensive end). A very solid outing by Cassel. Jamal Charles - Charles looks a lot smoother and fluid this year running the ball, while still maintaining his speed. If he had a decent offensive line to run behind, we’d potentially be looking at some mind boggling statistics from him. He showed patience in letting his holes, albeit small ones, develop and caught the ball well out of the backfield. Jovan Belcher - Really looked good out there filling the gaps and getting to the ball. Showed a lot of strength on numerous plays by standing up and pushing back offensive linemen one on one. Very instinctive. Tampa Bay Buccaneer Cheerleaders - The young lady at the 8:03 mark in the fourth quarter...oh, mama. The Bad: Branden Albert - Was constantly beat and out quicked. He got stood up several times by substantially smaller linebackers and couldn’t lock onto his man on run plays. Sorry Milkman, but this isn’t an adgenda or slanted bias. Albert simply isn’t very good. Leonard Pope - Caught a couple of balls, but ran horrible routes and can’t block. Ninth team TE Cody Slate (#80) looked All-Pro by comparison when he played in the fourth quarter. Derrick Johnson - Was non-existent and missed an easy tackle in the first quarter on a side line play allowing an extra five yards. Demarrio Williams looks like he knows that the starting ILB job is completely available as he showed a lot of fire and hustle in the second half. The Ugly: Thomas Jones - Looked good running the ball in the first half, but coughed up the ball giving the Bucs excellent field position. Brandon Flowers - Whiff! Really bad decision and timing going for a pick when the ball was already at the defender. Touchdown Tampa. Tony Moeaki - I mean, really? He’s going to make Brodie Croyle look like Cal Ripken by comparison. Random Observations: The Chiefs were the better team and if it wasn’t a preseason game, they would have won this one going away. The running game looked really good with Jones, Charles and Battle all getting nice chunks of yardage on the ground. Weigmann should be fully entrenched as the starting center, which is a good thing. Nice to have Casey back in town. Tyson Jackson looked a lot better this game versus Atlanta. He pushed his man around a lot more and even had a quarterback pressure. Baby steps. Kendrick Lewis is outplaying Eric Berry so far at the safety spot, though Berry had a nice special teams tackle to start the game. A much better executed offensive game plan/play calling than in week one. Defense was still very vanilla. Brandon Carr looked very good and active. I’d like to see Asamoah getting reps at the LG spot with the second team versus RG as Waters looks like he’s running in lead boots out there. Rookie Lemuel Jean-Pierre looked solid at the center position when he got the chance in the fourth quarter.
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08-23-2010, 05:58 PM	#26
Ralphy Boy MVP Join Date: Aug 2001 Casino cash: $10004900	I wish Cassel's problem was the long ball, its not. Its the short passes where he sucks balls, which is far worse IMO. Some of you all just make me scratch my head. Its like some people want Cassel to suck so bad that they forget what he is bad at. I, for one, was very happy to see Cassel completing those short passes and you should be too because that was where he sucked balls last year. His inability to complete, what are normally, high percentage passes absolutely killed us last year. I don't care to debate the WR issues, we all know them. His stats last season stack up very well to most QB's on passes 31 yards and over. He completed 41% of his 12 passes in the 31-40 yard range last season. That is better than most; including Brady, Manning and the beloved Aaron Rodgers. He also completed a higher percentage of throws over 40 yards than any of them, though he did throw less passes. He absolutely was horrific on passes thrown 21-30 yards, 20%. That is less than every other QB I compared him to by a very large margin and his passes completed from 11-20 were 43.8%. Meanwhile those same QB's (Brady, Manning and Rodgers) completed 55.9%, 60.7% and 53.1% respectively. Cassel doesn't need a cannon, he needs a laser and what he showed us last season was anything but. He did very well against Tampa on those short passes, that everyone is knocking him over, but IMO that is exactly what he needs to be working on.
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