Chiefs Chiefs Cuts - Page 13

**DaneMcCloud** · 09-04-2010, 07:39 PM

Colin Brown, G. Brown, Dion Gales, Bobby Greenwood, Darryl Harris, Herron, Lokey, Morgan, Palko, Price, Tucker, Walters and Javarris Williiams.

Leggett and Urban on IR.

**DaneMcCloud** · 09-05-2010, 01:40 AM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

No, I asked why it seemed before the draft that Orakpo had Aids and why everyone except for a couple of us absolutely hated the idea of even talking about him being our pick.

Every player at the top of that draft had serious flags.

Every one.

And once again, I gave you the answer.

Texas.

If the guy had put up awesome numbers at USC or Notre Dame or any number of elite schools, he'd have gone higher.

Once more, scouts, GM's and coaches have a rational fear about Texas players overall because most do not live up to expectations, and there's a long track record to verify that belief.

**DaneMcCloud** · 09-05-2010, 01:45 AM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

Until the biggest games, I agree.

Dude chokes in about every one of those.

Just ask Ty Law or Tom Brady...or a number of other players for that matter.

I don't buy that for a second.

Peyton is SO good that he elevates the play of mediocre players around him.

Unfortunately, just like the Marty Schottenheimer coached Chiefs of the 90's, talent in the playoffs catch up with teams.

There's no way in the world that you're going to tell me that if Brady and Manning switched places, Manning wouldn't have an equal or greater number of Super Bowl rings.

Tony Dungy is a joke. His successor was worse. If Manning was with a guy like Shanahan or Belichick (or heavens forbid, Bill Walsh or Joe Gibbs), Manning would break the record for Super Bowl wins because those fellas know how to build a TEAM.

Something Indy has been sorely lacking since Peyton was drafted. See the revolving door at O-line, defense, RB and WR as proof.

**BossChief** · 09-05-2010, 01:45 AM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

And once again, I gave you the answer.

Texas.

If the guy had put up awesome numbers at USC or Notre Dame or any number of elite schools, he'd have gone higher.

Once more, scouts, GM's and coaches have a rational fear about Texas players overall because most do not live up to expectations, and there's a long track record to verify that belief.

I must have added the last part of that post before you hit quote...I just think that Orakpo was one of those guys that you could watch play and see he had "it" and it didn't matter where he played..."it" was obviously there...then came the combine where he showed how elite his measurables were and it took it further. Dude is a dedicated football player that wasn't deserving of the soft label that most Texas players are.

**BossChief** · 09-05-2010, 01:50 AM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

I don't buy that for a second.

Peyton is SO good that he elevates the play of mediocre players around him.

Unfortunately, just like the Marty Schottenheimer coached Chiefs of the 90's, talent in the playoffs catch up with teams.

There's no way in the world that you're going to tell me that if Brady and Manning switched places, Manning wouldn't have an equal or greater number of Super Bowl rings.

Tony Dungy is a joke. His successor was worse. If Manning was with a guy like Shanahan or Belichick (or heavens forbid, Bill Walsh or Joe Gibbs), Manning would break the record for Super Bowl wins because those fellas know how to build a TEAM.

Something Indy has been sorely lacking since Peyton was drafted. See the revolving door at O-line, defense, RB and WR as proof.

or its just that he has always struggled (college and pros) when the lights are the brightest.

This isnt something I am making up, it is the way the actual games played out in crunch time when he was making mistakes that cost his team.

Its not his coaches fault when he keeps throwing picks to Ty Law in playoff games (even when Ty was ancient and playing for us ffs) ...something happens when crunchtime happens in the biggest games, he chokes. In regular games, he is one of the best quarterbacks I have seen play, both in person 3 times or on tv countless others.

It is what it is.

milkman · 09-05-2010, 02:12 AM

Actually, the "flag" on Manning coming out was concern that he was maxed out.

Hootie · 09-05-2010, 02:28 AM

not going to get into the debate, Dane pretty much did it for me...

but I have pointed out just as many Brady "chokes" as Manning has ever had...

it's god damn ridiculous how ignorant people are when it comes to Peyton Manning...

1) Matt Cassel won 11 games with New England. Yes...our shitty, shitty, shitty $60M QB that got 15 games with the greatest team of my lifetime and it made him $30+M dollars...proving what I always said...New England was a playoff team with Matt Cassel as their QB (unless they win 11 games and can't get a WC berth...and if they did...who knows what would have happened...you really put anything past BB?)

2) Austin Collie, Pierre Garcon.

Doesn't matter who it is...

Which brings me back to

3)

I always said...had Kennison went where Harrison did in that draft...(they went back to back...Kennison to STL, Harrison to INDY)...

we'd think of Kennison as the sure fire HOF'er that Harrison is...

Of course I've been saying this for years and years and years...

but I'm glad others are finally starting to realize it

Hootie · 09-05-2010, 02:29 AM

(I can't help myself when it comes to this debate actually, lol)...

P.S. My eyes were opened to Peyton's greatness when he crushed my hopes and dreams in 2003 @ Arrowhead Stadium...

Since then...I've always envied him and hope someday the Chiefs can get a QB 1/100th as good as he is...

(because that's still better than most)

milkman · 09-05-2010, 02:51 AM

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Originally Posted by The Meat Dragon

not going to get into the debate, Dane pretty much did it for me...

but I have pointed out just as many Brady "chokes" as Manning has ever had...

it's god damn ridiculous how ignorant people are when it comes to Peyton Manning...

1) Matt Cassel won 11 games with New England. Yes...our shitty, shitty, shitty $60M QB that got 15 games with the greatest team of my lifetime and it made him $30+M dollars...proving what I always said...New England was a playoff team with Matt Cassel as their QB (unless they win 11 games and can't get a WC berth...and if they did...who knows what would have happened...you really put anything past BB?)

2) Austin Collie, Pierre Garcon.

Doesn't matter who it is...

Which brings me back to

3)

I always said...had Kennison went where Harrison did in that draft...(they went back to back...Kennison to STL, Harrison to INDY)...

we'd think of Kennison as the sure fire HOF'er that Harrison is...

Of course I've been saying this for years and years and years...

but I'm glad others are finally starting to realize it

Every QB "chokes".

From Johnny Unitas to Bart Starr, to John Elway, to Joe Montana, to Tom Brady.

The difference, in the years I've watched football, of all the great QBs, Peyton Manning is the one who I have yet to believe that when it comes time to make plays will make those plays.

Brady has bought into his own hype, and become less clutch as the years have passed.

I would love to have Manning.

However, when it comes playoff time, I want a stellar defense and run game, because I wouldn't trust Manning when it counted most.

FAX · 09-05-2010, 02:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

Yea let me tell you, you know what inspires confidence? Running a 3-4 where LB is an extremely important position and watching our team make no attempt to improve it.

Hmmm. Interesting point ... somewhat repetitive, but interesting nonetheless.

Here's what I think ... I think that draftabulators tend to want new/improved/better/shinier bodies all the time, whereas our coaching staff may be attempting something innovative for the Chiefs ... actually attempting to develop the young talent we have on hand.

For example, it appears to me that the LB position you mention has improved pretty dramatically (over last year) from an actual "contribution on the field" point of view ... at least it seems that way to me - based on the pre-season performances we've seen.

I also think (based on the odd roster makeup) that the staff is probably placing a far higher emphasis on special teams than many of us recognize. Part of the plan seems to be getting our fabulous quarterback premium field position ... which makes a lot of sense when you think about it ... since moving the football down the field is not his forte.

FAX

Pasta Little Brioni · 09-05-2010, 07:29 AM

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Originally Posted by FAX

Hmmm. Interesting point ... somewhat repetitive, but interesting nonetheless.

Here's what I think ... I think that draftabulators tend to want new/improved/better/shinier bodies all the time, whereas our coaching staff may be attempting something innovative for the Chiefs ... actually attempting to develop the young talent we have on hand.For example, it appears to me that the LB position you mention has improved pretty dramatically (over last year) from an actual "contribution on the field" point of view ... at least it seems that way to me - based on the pre-season performances we've seen.

I also think (based on the odd roster makeup) that the staff is probably placing a far higher emphasis on special teams than many of us recognize. Part of the plan seems to be getting our fabulous quarterback premium field position ... which makes a lot of sense when you think about it ... since moving the football down the field is not his forte.

FAX

Nonsense, cut em all

**DeezNutz** · 09-05-2010, 07:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FAX

I also think (based on the odd roster makeup) that the staff is probably placing a far higher emphasis on special teams than many of us recognize. Part of the plan seems to be getting our fabulous quarterback premium field position ... which makes a lot of sense when you think about it ... since moving the football down the field is not his forte.

Hadn't really thought about it like this, but, oh my...

boogblaster · 09-05-2010, 08:29 AM

only two QBs says lionheart might be in the mix

Hootie · 09-05-2010, 10:05 AM

I'd rather start Brodie Croyle than Leinart...

I'm starting to think I'd give Cassel two games...

if he's ABSOLUTELY atrocious...

let Brodie have two games...

and see if we improve.

**Rain Man** · 09-05-2010, 10:10 AM

Lokey is a surprise to me. I thought he had played his way onto the team and that we needed another player behind Edwards.

Hammock Parties · 09-05-2010, 10:10 AM

Shaun Smith is that player.

09-04-2010, 07:39 PM
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09-05-2010, 02:28 AM	#186
Hootie Banned Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Dallas, Texas Casino cash: $10004900	not going to get into the debate, Dane pretty much did it for me... but I have pointed out just as many Brady "chokes" as Manning has ever had... it's god damn ridiculous how ignorant people are when it comes to Peyton Manning... 1) Matt Cassel won 11 games with New England. Yes...our shitty, shitty, shitty $60M QB that got 15 games with the greatest team of my lifetime and it made him $30+M dollars...proving what I always said...New England was a playoff team with Matt Cassel as their QB (unless they win 11 games and can't get a WC berth...and if they did...who knows what would have happened...you really put anything past BB?) 2) Austin Collie, Pierre Garcon. Doesn't matter who it is... Which brings me back to 3) I always said...had Kennison went where Harrison did in that draft...(they went back to back...Kennison to STL, Harrison to INDY)... we'd think of Kennison as the sure fire HOF'er that Harrison is... Of course I've been saying this for years and years and years... but I'm glad others are finally starting to realize it
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09-05-2010, 02:29 AM	#187
Hootie Banned Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Dallas, Texas Casino cash: $10004900	(I can't help myself when it comes to this debate actually, lol)... P.S. My eyes were opened to Peyton's greatness when he crushed my hopes and dreams in 2003 @ Arrowhead Stadium... Since then...I've always envied him and hope someday the Chiefs can get a QB 1/100th as good as he is... (because that's still better than most)
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09-05-2010, 10:05 AM	#193
Hootie Banned Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Dallas, Texas Casino cash: $10004900	I'd rather start Brodie Croyle than Leinart... I'm starting to think I'd give Cassel two games... if he's ABSOLUTELY atrocious... let Brodie have two games... and see if we improve.
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09-05-2010, 10:10 AM	#194
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09-05-2010, 10:10 AM	#195
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