I know everyone on CP hates Cassel.....

[Three7s]

So, after listening to Petro's weekly PMS rant about people unfairly bashing Cassel, I started wondering. What would it take for people to actually.....LIKE Cassel? I don't know if there's a thread on this or not because I'm way too lazy to go through all of the Cassel bashing threads.

FWIW, I don't think Cassel is all that great either, but he can, at least, complete a pass once in awhile, unlike guys like Campbell.

What I think would sway my feelings toward him is to do what he did against the Broncos, only when it REALLY matters. I know it would go against our offensive philosophy, but teams are stacking the box on us so much that it looks like it has to be done.......so how about you guys?

[Hammock Parties]

FWIW, Damon Huard was very good on third down and threw the ball down the field with accuracy in 2006. Chiefs were #10 in third-down conversion percentage and Huard completed 52.5 percent of his passes on third down. He was 52.6 percent over 10 yards and 57 percent from 11-20, which is good.

Cassel has never done that. Neither has Thigpen.

[Norman Einstein]

Originally Posted by BCD

I cant. No one can. You're just not getting it.

He gets it, but he is like many here. He's on the right side of the fence and the rest seems to be totally downfield from the left side of the fence.

It doesn't matter how much one side tries to explain what is going on regarding the other view there is just no middle ground.

You on the left side only see the down side, those on the right side see the potential and are not as quick to judge. The right side hates to lose as much as those on the left, but they refuse to tack a loss purely on the QB where it seems that is the only target you have in your sights.

[Chiefnj2]

Originally Posted by Gif Horse

FWIW, Damon Huard was very good on third down and threw the ball down the field with accuracy in 2006. Chiefs were #10 in third-down conversion percentage and Huard completed 52.5 percent of his passes on third down. He was 52.6 percent over 10 yards and 57 percent from 11-20, which is good.

Cassel has never done that. Neither has Thigpen.

Cassel could throw up jump balls to a double covered TG.

[bobbything]

Originally Posted by BCD

I never knew it was possible to be SO bad on 3rd down.

Before the Denver game, we were 27th in the league at 34%. Now we're 26th. The league average is 39%.

I can't find stats for 3rd down conversion % for passing only for 2010, however, last year Cassel was at 25% for passing only. I'd be surprised if he was anything higher than 30% this year.

[Norman Einstein]

Originally Posted by ROR

lol, wut?! I guess he'll be "developed" by 32? Gimme a break, man. Just do it:

Walk over to the toilet in your mind, envision Cassel floating there like the big, chocolate turd he is, and hit the flush lever.

You can do this, I have Faith.

Too bad you can't see it right to give Cassel a chance with that faith. He is 9games into a new offense, a new offense for the 3rd time in 2 years. You expect a freaking miracle just because we have a better defense than we've had for many years.

What if....

the Chiefs somehow make it to the playoffs, is Cassel still crap?

the Chiefs win one or more games in the playoffs, is Cassel still crap?

the Chiefs make it to the Super Bowl this year and Cassel wins MVP. Is he still crap?

All of you on the left side of the fence will say yes and will be willing to ship him off because he doesn't meet your expectations. Have you ever wondered if he meets the expectations of the Chiefs administration?

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by bobbything

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I can't find stats for 3rd down conversion % for passing only, however, last year Cassel was at 25%.

Holy ****, that's awful.

Where did you find that?

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by Norman Einstein

What if....

the Chiefs somehow make it to the playoffs, is Cassel still crap?

the Chiefs win one or more games in the playoffs, is Cassel still crap?

the Chiefs make it to the Super Bowl this year and Cassel wins MVP. Is he still crap?

What if he continues to blow chunks?

Guess where the smart money is?

[Sully]

Originally Posted by patteeu

I think you're too uptight to read clearly today, Sully. Settle down, take a deep breath and think about the meanings of the words.

Relax. Breathe.

Now, can you explain how someone would believe that Matt Cassel has already exceeded his maximum potential? If you read that right, you should be thinking to yourself, "no, I can't". Neither can I.

Okay, let me try it this way...
If I am reading your words correctly, you are stating that you have no idea what evidence people would use to come to the conclusion that Cassel has reached his ceiling. Is that correct?

If it is;
Then you are being willfully ignorant, as those posters have laid out exactly how and why they came to that conclusion. The fact that you disagree, or that they may be incorrect has no bearing on what you said, ("don't ask me how they got there").

Some posters believe they have more football knowledge than Scott Pioli. I couldn't disagree more with them, but I'd be a liar if I pretended that they've never made their case for that conclusion.

[Norman Einstein]

Originally Posted by BCD

He's not nearly as good as you think, either.

You have neither proof for or against that comment.

All of the things you people claim against him, short passes, passes off the mark, can't throw the long ball, etc, have all been done by other QB's inthe league. Tom Brady makes those mistakes, so do the Mannings.

What else are you going to use to support your claim? He doesn't shower well?

All things considered I would think a fan of the Chiefs would see improvement in the team overall from the past several years and see there is a light at the end of the tunnel. If Cassel doesn't meet the expectations of the front office he will be gone in plenty of time. If he is gone this year are you going to go into full out attack on the next guy because he is new to the system and not getting the job done to your satisfaction?

You guys have just picked someone you feel is a weak link and have lost focus on the rest of the team. Our defense totally sucked against Denver, but you still are hammering the QB? That's a non squitor.

[Norman Einstein]

Originally Posted by Sully

There have been several posters in this very thread who have laid out exactly what he can do to change peoples' minds.

Some unrealistic expectations for the instant gratification crowd. They won't give him a chance to achieve those goals nor will they give him credit if he does.

[Chiefnj2]

Cassel is quite bi-polar on 3rd down. His lowest completion% is on passes 0-2 yards (25%).
He's not bad on 3-7 yards (57%), bad on 8-10 yards (33%), and decent on 11+ (58%).

[bobbything]

Originally Posted by Gif Horse

Holy ****, that's awful.

Where did you find that?

Linky. The team was 46/182 (some of that was Croyle early on). On 1-3 yards, we were 44%. On 4-7 yards, 30%. On 8+ yards, 17%.

Interestingly enough, the Chiefs faced more 3rd and long's (8+ yards) than any team last year.

[Norman Einstein]

Originally Posted by Gif Horse

I'm not going to debate Damon Huard. It's 2010.

All I will say is he stepped into his throws.

When he made them. Horrid was terrible, the only good thing he did was ensure the end of Herman Edwards in KC.

[Fish]

Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

Well BCD said the Chiefs are a playoff winning team with a better QB. I disagree. KC isn't a complete team. Cassel isn't the only player holding the team back. The team still has lots of problems that have been exposed lately.

I'm not happy with Cassel. I wanted KC to make a move for Bradford, or use the early 2nd on Clausen, or late 2nd or third on McCoy. I don't think he's the answer, but I'm willing to admit he's improved some this year and part of the problems people are complaining about are a direct result of the way he's being coached this year. Open it up and let him sink or swim.

I agree with this. Especially the bolded part. Except, I don't think there's any chance in hell that they'll change up what they're doing and let Cassel try and throw farther down the field. If he were capable of it without hundreds of sacks and INTs, then they'd be doing it. The only reason they would have for holding back the vertical passing game is if it were a direct detriment to their progress. The coaches aren't going to put Cassel in a position where they feel he might fail.

And that's my main criticism of Cassel. I don't want a QB with this expensive of a contract, that requires the rest of the offense to be scaled back to a level that makes us easier to defend against. We've seen over the last few weeks what kind of position that can put us in. Right now, the way we're playing, unless the running game is working well, our offense is fairly neutered. And while Cassel isn't bad enough that he's single-handedly losing games, he's still not good enough to overcome any kind of struggles in other areas of the offense.

[bobbything]

Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

Cassel is quite bi-polar on 3rd down. His lowest completion% is on passes 0-2 yards (25%).
He's not bad on 3-7 yards (57%), bad on 8-10 yards (33%), and decent on 11+ (58%).

Is that completion %, or 3rd down conversion %?