I know everyone on CP hates Cassel.....

[Three7s]

So, after listening to Petro's weekly PMS rant about people unfairly bashing Cassel, I started wondering. What would it take for people to actually.....LIKE Cassel? I don't know if there's a thread on this or not because I'm way too lazy to go through all of the Cassel bashing threads.

FWIW, I don't think Cassel is all that great either, but he can, at least, complete a pass once in awhile, unlike guys like Campbell.

What I think would sway my feelings toward him is to do what he did against the Broncos, only when it REALLY matters. I know it would go against our offensive philosophy, but teams are stacking the box on us so much that it looks like it has to be done.......so how about you guys?

[Hammock Parties]

That's completion percentage.

[Norman Einstein]

Originally Posted by Gif Horse

What if he continues to blow chunks?

Guess where the smart money is?

Then the front office and Haley will take care of the situation. Nothing said here will have an impact on it.

BUT, you are totally discounting that he may have the tools and they are just not being used by Weis and Haley.

[patteeu]

Originally Posted by Sully

Okay, let me try it this way...
If I am reading your words correctly, you are stating that you have no idea what evidence people would use to come to the conclusion that Cassel has reached his ceiling. Is that correct?

No, that's not correct. I said that some people think he has already exceeded his ceiling. That's obviously something that can't happen which is why I said "don't ask me how they get there". I was exaggerating for humorous effect. Whatever effect there might have been is ruined by the explanation though.

[Chiefnj2]

Originally Posted by bobbything

Is that completion %, or 3rd down conversion %?

completion %. I don't know if 3rd down conversion % by yardage is available for the public.

[Sully]

Originally Posted by patteeu

No, that's not correct. I said that some people think he has already exceeded his ceiling. That's obviously something that can't happen which is why I said "don't ask me how they get there". I was exaggerating for humorous effect. Whatever effect there might have been is ruined by the explanation though.

You're right.
I missed that.
I apologize.

[bobbything]

Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

completion %. I don't know if 3rd down conversion % by yardage is available for the public.

I found it for last year. Couldn't find it for this year.

Here.

[patteeu]

Originally Posted by Sully

You're right.
I missed that.
I apologize.

No need to apologize, but thanks anyway.

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by Norman Einstein

Then the front office and Haley will take care of the situation. Nothing said here will have an impact on it.

You're only hoping that they do.

We have no way of knowing their level of competency.

There are umpteen BILLION examples of idiot general managers and head coaches sticking with lousy quarterbacks.

The Chiefs were ready to commit to Tyler ****ing Thigpen if Carl and Herm had been retained. The Redskins just gave a stupid contract to McNabb.

It's pretty clear Cassel can return the Chiefs to mediocrity. Will Pioli throw that away for a chance at a real quarterback when he has so much money and reputation invested in the success of the one he just picked?

We'll see. This decision is going to define Pioli.

[FishingRod]

He is not hated. He is just perceived as someone who was paid Franchise QB money with Backup QB talent. If he were a our 5th round pick making 5th round money he would be fairly popular. Most people would be very happy with him as our 2nd string QB and even admit he is not the worst starting QB in the League.

The problem is that since most of us have actually watched a football game. If Phillip Rivers, Peyton Manning, Drew Brees, Aaron Rogers, Michael Vick, Tom Brady, and Ben Rothlisberger's names were put on pieces of paper and randomly drawn from a hat and we had to take whatever name was pulled to be traded straight up for Cassel 99.9% would be happy regardless of who we received. OK, so that is a no brainer but, I also think almost all of us would take the same chance if the names in the hat were Matt Schaub, Tony Romo, Matt Ryan Josh Freeman,Sam Bradford, Kyle Orton Vince Young, Kevin Kolb, Mathew Stafford, Eli Manning, Ryan Fitzpatrick, Colt McCoy, Jason Campbell, Jay Cutler, Mark Sanchez, Chad Henne and Joe Flacco, That puts him pretty far down the list. The point being that the best of the rest would be an upgrade and the worst of the rest, really wouldn't be much different than what we have now.

[Reerun_KC]

Originally Posted by Gif Horse

You're only hoping that they do.

We have no way of knowing their level of competency.

There are umpteen BILLION examples of idiot general managers and head coaches sticking with lousy quarterbacks.

The Chiefs were ready to commit to Tyler ****ing Thigpen if Carl and Herm had been retained. The Redskins just gave a stupid contract to McNabb.

It's pretty clear Cassel can return the Chiefs to mediocrity. Will Pioli throw that away for a chance at a real quarterback when he has so much money and reputation invested in the success of the one he just picked?

We'll see. This decision is going to define Pioli.

According to who?

[Norman Einstein]

Originally Posted by Gif Horse

You're only hoping that they do.

We have no way of knowing their level of competency.

There are umpteen BILLION examples of idiot general managers and head coaches sticking with lousy quarterbacks.

The Chiefs were ready to commit to Tyler ****ing Thigpen if Carl and Herm had been retained. The Redskins just gave a stupid contract to McNabb.

It's pretty clear Cassel can return the Chiefs to mediocrity. Will Pioli throw that away for a chance at a real quarterback when he has so much money and reputation invested in the success of the one he just picked?

We'll see. This decision is going to define Pioli.

Cassel can RETURN the Chiefs to mediocrity? When in the past 5 years have we risen to the level of mediocrity? Have you missed the fact that the Chiefs have sucked since Vermeil left? At least this year they are wining games based on who is here now and not who was leftover as with the first year of Edwards. That 9-7 year was totally the leftovers, Herman had little or nothing to do with the Chiefs going to the playoffs that year and since then we have been the joke of the AFC.

As for your comments about "umpteen BILLION examples of idiot general managers", that goes against any kind of common sense. Can you name one time that Pioli has been defined in that manner? That is just not a comparison that should even be considered with this GM.

You don't really know what Thigpen could have done with a decent team around him, maybe he would have been a bust but that is a total unknown. He was more effective than anyone that played QB for the Chiefs the year he had playing time.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Originally Posted by Reerun_KC

According to who?

Message board draft gurus

[Norman Einstein]

Originally Posted by Reerun_KC

According to who?

According to GoChiefs. Not really someone that seems to have anything in perspective regarding the administration of the Chiefs.

[Norman Einstein]

Originally Posted by PGM

Message board draft whurus

FYP

[CrazyHorse]

Originally Posted by ROR

lol, wut?! I guess he'll be "developed" by 32? Gimme a break, man. Just do it:

Walk over to the toilet in your mind, envision Cassel floating there like the big, chocolate turd he is, and hit the flush lever.

You can do this, I have Faith.

He's better than this time last year. Thats all I mean by that.

In other words, there is no reason to think it wont continue. Same as any developmental player that would come in. ]

Truth is CP is incapable of deveoping a new QB. Matt Cassel is proof of that.