Football The Bizarre Cult Of Pro-Owner NFL Fanboys - Page 4

Skyy God · 05-12-2011, 02:08 PM

http://deadspin.com/5800887/the-biza...er-nfl-fanboys

Here's a tidy summation of how we've managed to get to where we are with the NFL lockout. A few years ago, the players and owners agreed to a new CBA, with only Ralph Wilson and Mike Brown voting against the agreement, in Wilson's case because he's old and easily confused by things.

Then, almost immediately after that agreement was approved, all the other owners suddenly decided WHOA HEY! THIS AGREEMENT BLOWS! And so, this March, they opted out of that agreement and locked out the players. The players, for their part, were happy with the terms of the original CBA and wanted to keep playing. But then Roger Goodell, who is a ****ing stooge, told the world that players being happy with the CBA means the CBA is totally unfair.

Now, the players decided to break up and sue the NFL to get the lockout lifted, which it was for seven seconds leading up to the draft back in April. The owners then fought to have the lockout reinstated while they appealed, and managed to temporarily prevail. So here we have one side that has shut down the operations of football TWICE, and another side who A.) didn't instigate the lockout and B.) sued to STOP the lockout and get football played again. This is now the longest work stoppage in NFL history, and it is the result of a labor battle initiated by the owners. Those are facts. It should seem obvious whose cause you, Mr. NFL Fan, ought to get behind.

So it baffles and angers me that there appears to be actual people out there who are squarely in the owners' corner when it comes to this labor war. I went to this post at PFT the other day, where Florio outlines a rumor about the league going out of business if they lose their appeal, and the number of pro-owner comments were just … ****ing … I don't even know. They must be plants. They have to be plants. That's the only explanation. How else do you explain comments like these? (Click to enlarge.)

It's like a group of people went directly to their computers after walking out of a screening of Atlas Shrugged. You can find reeruned commenters at virtually any Internet forum (why, just scroll down!), but the idea that there are people out there who would like to see the owners succeed in PREVENTING THE PLAYING OF ACTUAL NFL GAMES to spite NFL players strikes me as … what's the word? Oh, right. ****ING INSANE. Please God, let these people be planted there by Jerry Richardson. Don't tell me there are people out there this breathtakingly hardheaded.

Do you know how many NFL teams are owned by people who inherited their respective franchises? Eleven. ELEVEN. Over one third of all NFL teams belong to people who did nothing to deserve them except shoot out of the right uterus or **** the right spouse. Two more NFL teams are owned by scions of American industrial giants (the Lions and Jets). And somehow this makes them business geniuses who deserve to lock out their employees and rob the country of its favorite sport? Really? The same shrewd people who apparently screwed themselves into such an allegedly shitty labor deal not but a few years ago? Is there ANY situation in which a billionaire can be ****ing wrong, then? Or is their wealth simply an overriding character trait that trumps all flaws?

There's a distinctly political turn to much of these lockout arguments among fans. I guess if you think the players are right (and I do), that makes you a dirty liberal and there can't possibly be a decent case to be made. All unions are bad, which means the NFL players are ungrateful and lazy and deserve to be booted out on their ass because the owners are the beginning and end of why the NFL is successful.

No success is ever entirely self-made. Billionaires don't just crawl out of a ****ing swamp and then work 23-hour days until they're filthy rich and deserving of every penny. There are a million factors that go into the making of a successful person, and hard work is merely one of them. There's an element of luck. There's certainly an element of breeding. There's an element of good timing, of catching the wave at the precise right moment. All of those things factor in, not to mention the millions upon millions of tax dollars used to subsidize the stadiums many of these fine gentlemen happen to now own. But these pro-owner people seem to believe that NFL owners are ****ing magical money unicorns that came out of a glowing cistern on a mountaintop, and they have carte blanche to strongarm people accordingly.

I hope they're planted by the league. I really do, though some polls suggest otherwise. Because if you are a real, living, breathing person and you're actually rooting for the league to continue to, you know, not playing, then you can go ****ing die. If you have a beef with the union breaking up and suing the NFL, then you're too stupid to understand that suing the league was essentially ALL the players could do, because for years now the owners have been hellbent on losing games in the 2011 season specifically to squeeze more money out of the players, as much as humanly possible. Many owners didn't bother to show up for the initial negotiating sessions in March. They want their lockout, and they're going to exhaust every shitty, awful option they can to make it happen. And they sure as shit don't care about your concerns in the process. You're the fan. You're just a ****ing sheep.

Meanwhile, the players, who used legal recourse to return to the field, are the bad guys? Why? Because you think they may try and get rid of the draft, even though that will NEVER happen? (And it should be noted here that getting rid of the draft and making all incoming rookies free agents is far more in the spirit of unbridled capitalism, though that apparently only matters if the beneficiaries of said system are white billionaire one who sucks the peniss.) Are you that ****ing dumb? The idea that players are just dumb assholes who should be grateful that their noble employer sees fit to pay them ANYTHING is a bizarre and downright feudal stance to take. These strike me as the thoughts of someone with a massive political blind spot, where your politics so utterly consume you that you can't be bothered with the reality staring you in the face. This doesn't need to be a political argument, and yet there are people out there desperate to make it precisely that.

I love football. Football is pretty much what I live for, and it seems to me that only the players are interested in making football a reality this fall. So if you're somehow on the side of management in this NFL dispute, please know that you are wrong and that you are stupid and that I ****ing hate you.

tk13 · 05-12-2011, 06:49 PM

The amount of disinformation flying around about it is definitely dizzying. I think there's a large chunk of people who think "well this just must be like the baseball strike in 1994." Which obviously isn't true.

ElGringo · 05-12-2011, 06:56 PM

Okay, I have not taken either side as I don't have all the information necessary to make a decision on this, but this author is an idiot. He should say my opinion is x, and I believe that because....not my position is x, and if you don't agree you are a moron. One thing I have learned about this lockout is it appears to me, both sides have some fault, and it would end a lot faster if both sides would own up to that.

**Bugeater** · 05-12-2011, 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by ElGringo

Okay, I have not taken either side as I don't have all the information necessary to make a decision on this, but this author is an idiot. He should say my opinion is x, and I believe that because....not my position is x, and if you don't agree you are a moron. One thing I have learned about this lockout is it appears to me, both sides have some fault, and it would end a lot faster if both sides would own up to that.

Ummm...no, that's not how things work around here. You pick a side and be willing to fight to the death over it.

Pitt Gorilla · 05-12-2011, 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Bugeater

Ummm...no, that's not how things work around here. You pick a side and be willing to fight to the death over it.

So true. Unfortunately, this is also my father-in-law in real life discussions.

blaise · 05-12-2011, 07:15 PM

Some of the editorial stuff out of Deadspin over the last few months has kind of irked me. It's almost like they're becoming the type of self-important smug entity they used to blast ESPN for being.

Rasputin · 05-12-2011, 07:23 PM

This whole thing can simply be solved by players and owners negotiating. Both sides sit down and give a little tell they meet in the middle. Untill then nothing is going to be solved by blaming either side. It's on the players and owners, both are at fault. I don't give a shit who is right or wrong, just come to a conclusion that gives fans a game worth going too and so we can support our favorite teams.

It's about the money for the players and owners, but it's for the integrity of the game that is at risk, at the FANS expense.

Chief Roundup · 05-12-2011, 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by notorious

Being the owner of a business, I can see where they are coming from.

Being a former employee of a business, I can see where they are coming from.

With that said, any employee that thinks he is entitled to a set % of the businesses income can politely go **** HIMSELF. It is none of their business to know how much the company is bringing in. Get paid,

, or get another job. I don't give a ****.

Isn't this the whole thing behind unions though? A fair share of the profits to the employees?? Like GM, Ford, and so on.

bowener · 05-12-2011, 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Just Passin' By

How the **** do you not see your logic problem here?

**notorious** · 05-12-2011, 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Chief Roundup

Isn't this the whole thing behind unions though? A fair share of the profits to the employees?? Like GM, Ford, and so on.

It's the foundation of a union. Give us X-amount or we will cripple your company by walking out. I don't know if they specifically tie their demands to profits, though.

They were great for setting the foundation for workers' rights back in the old days, but now their quest is not as noble.

Garcia Bronco · 05-12-2011, 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Just Passin' By

How the **** do you not see your logic problem here?

Good grief.

At the point of opting out of the contract, the owners want to change the conditions of the agreement. There is nothing wrong or dishonest about this. The players then decided to leave the table and failed to agree with the owners of the business. Forcing the owners to lock them out. The players decided to stop working by not accepting that the business needed to lower salary and take measures to ensure the stability of THEIR business.

jspchief · 05-12-2011, 08:31 PM

All you have to do to understand why people side with the owners is ask yourself a series of questions.

1. Who has the long term health of the league as a priority, players or owners?

2. Is keeping the NFL affordable to fans an important aspect of the long term health of the league?

3. Who makes decisions that control affordability, players or owners?

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Originally Posted by BCD

Hardly. The product here is football. NFL players are among the worlds best athletes.

Fans come to watch the players.

No one gives a shit what the owners are doing on Sundays.

And the players don't give a shit if you can afford to watch the NFL in 10 years because on average, their career will be over.

**alnorth** · 05-12-2011, 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by jspchief

All you have to do to understand why people side with the owners is ask yourself a series of questions.

1. Who has the long term health of the league as a priority, players or owners?

2. Is keeping the NFL affordable to fans an important aspect of the long term health of the league?

3. Who makes decisions that control affordability, players or owners?

And the players don't give a shit if you can afford to watch the NFL in 10 years because on average, their career will be over.

if you said anything other than "nobody" for #2 and #3, you are incredibly naive.

Just Passin' By · 05-12-2011, 08:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Garcia Bronco

Good grief.

At the point of opting out of the contract, the owners want to change the conditions of the agreement. There is nothing wrong or dishonest about this. The players then decided to leave the table and failed to agree with the owners of the business. Forcing the owners to lock them out. The players decided to stop working by not accepting that the business needed to lower salary and take measures to ensure the stability of THEIR business.

The owners were not forced to lockout the players.

The players did not decide to stop working.

jspchief · 05-12-2011, 08:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chief Roundup

Isn't this the whole thing behind unions though? A fair share of the profits to the employees?? Like GM, Ford, and so on.

The problem is, business owners aren't in it for a fair share. They're in it to make a lot of money, and make their share holders a lot of money. And if unions start cutting into that slice of the pie by demanding a fair share, share holders take their money elsewhere, or businesses move their operations to places where employees are less expensive.

Putting it bluntly, business owners don't take pay cuts to better compensate their employees. If the employee is getting more, it's from cost cutting in other areas, or passing the cost off on customers.

jspchief · 05-12-2011, 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by alnorth

if you said anything other than "nobody" for #2 and #3, you are incredibly naive.

So you think NFL owners want to price their product out of range of their customers? Not very sound business.

05-12-2011, 02:08 PM
Skyy God 11-5, baby Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Livin the dream Casino cash: $2191557	The Bizarre Cult Of Pro-Owner NFL Fanboys http://deadspin.com/5800887/the-biza...er-nfl-fanboys Here's a tidy summation of how we've managed to get to where we are with the NFL lockout. A few years ago, the players and owners agreed to a new CBA, with only Ralph Wilson and Mike Brown voting against the agreement, in Wilson's case because he's old and easily confused by things. Then, almost immediately after that agreement was approved, all the other owners suddenly decided WHOA HEY! THIS AGREEMENT BLOWS! And so, this March, they opted out of that agreement and locked out the players. The players, for their part, were happy with the terms of the original CBA and wanted to keep playing. But then Roger Goodell, who is a **ing stooge, told the world that players being happy with the CBA means the CBA is totally unfair. Now, the players decided to break up and sue the NFL to get the lockout lifted, which it was for seven seconds leading up to the draft back in April. The owners then fought to have the lockout reinstated while they appealed, and managed to temporarily prevail. So here we have one side that has shut down the operations of football TWICE, and another side who A.) didn't instigate the lockout and B.) sued to STOP the lockout and get football played again. This is now the longest work stoppage in NFL history, and it is the result of a labor battle initiated by the owners. Those are facts. It should seem obvious whose cause you, Mr. NFL Fan, ought to get behind. So it baffles and angers me that there appears to be actual people out there who are squarely in the owners' corner when it comes to this labor war. I went to this post at PFT the other day, where Florio outlines a rumor about the league going out of business if they lose their appeal, and the number of pro-owner comments were just … ing … I don't even know. They must be plants. They have to be plants. That's the only explanation. How else do you explain comments like these? (Click to enlarge.) It's like a group of people went directly to their computers after walking out of a screening of Atlas Shrugged. You can find reeruned commenters at virtually any Internet forum (why, just scroll down!), but the idea that there are people out there who would like to see the owners succeed in PREVENTING THE PLAYING OF ACTUAL NFL GAMES to spite NFL players strikes me as … what's the word? Oh, right. ING INSANE. Please God, let these people be planted there by Jerry Richardson. Don't tell me there are people out there this breathtakingly hardheaded. Do you know how many NFL teams are owned by people who inherited their respective franchises? Eleven. ELEVEN. Over one third of all NFL teams belong to people who did nothing to deserve them except shoot out of the right uterus or the right spouse. Two more NFL teams are owned by scions of American industrial giants (the Lions and Jets). And somehow this makes them business geniuses who deserve to lock out their employees and rob the country of its favorite sport? Really? The same shrewd people who apparently screwed themselves into such an allegedly shitty labor deal not but a few years ago? Is there ANY situation in which a billionaire can be ing wrong, then? Or is their wealth simply an overriding character trait that trumps all flaws? There's a distinctly political turn to much of these lockout arguments among fans. I guess if you think the players are right (and I do), that makes you a dirty liberal and there can't possibly be a decent case to be made. All unions are bad, which means the NFL players are ungrateful and lazy and deserve to be booted out on their ass because the owners are the beginning and end of why the NFL is successful. No success is ever entirely self-made. Billionaires don't just crawl out of a ing swamp and then work 23-hour days until they're filthy rich and deserving of every penny. There are a million factors that go into the making of a successful person, and hard work is merely one of them. There's an element of luck. There's certainly an element of breeding. There's an element of good timing, of catching the wave at the precise right moment. All of those things factor in, not to mention the millions upon millions of tax dollars used to subsidize the stadiums many of these fine gentlemen happen to now own. But these pro-owner people seem to believe that NFL owners are ing magical money unicorns that came out of a glowing cistern on a mountaintop, and they have carte blanche to strongarm people accordingly. I hope they're planted by the league. I really do, though some polls suggest otherwise. Because if you are a real, living, breathing person and you're actually rooting for the league to continue to, you know, not playing, then you can go ing die. If you have a beef with the union breaking up and suing the NFL, then you're too stupid to understand that suing the league was essentially ALL the players could do, because for years now the owners have been hellbent on losing games in the 2011 season specifically to squeeze more money out of the players, as much as humanly possible. Many owners didn't bother to show up for the initial negotiating sessions in March. They want their lockout, and they're going to exhaust every shitty, awful option they can to make it happen. And they sure as shit don't care about your concerns in the process. You're the fan. You're just a ing sheep. Meanwhile, the players, who used legal recourse to return to the field, are the bad guys? Why? Because you think they may try and get rid of the draft, even though that will NEVER happen? (And it should be noted here that getting rid of the draft and making all incoming rookies free agents is far more in the spirit of unbridled capitalism, though that apparently only matters if the beneficiaries of said system are white billionaire one who sucks the peniss.) Are you that ing dumb? The idea that players are just dumb assholes who should be grateful that their noble employer sees fit to pay them ANYTHING is a bizarre and downright feudal stance to take. These strike me as the thoughts of someone with a massive political blind spot, where your politics so utterly consume you that you can't be bothered with the reality staring you in the face. This doesn't need to be a political argument, and yet there are people out there desperate to make it precisely that. I love football. Football is pretty much what I live for, and it seems to me that only the players are interested in making football a reality this fall. So if you're somehow on the side of management in this NFL dispute, please know that you are wrong and that you are stupid and that I **ing hate you.
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tk13 ... Join Date: Nov 2001 Casino cash: $-1707500	The amount of disinformation flying around about it is definitely dizzying. I think there's a large chunk of people who think "well this just must be like the baseball strike in 1994." Which obviously isn't true.
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ElGringo Veteran Join Date: May 2008 Location: Shreveport, La Casino cash: $9975100	Okay, I have not taken either side as I don't have all the information necessary to make a decision on this, but this author is an idiot. He should say my opinion is x, and I believe that because....not my position is x, and if you don't agree you are a moron. One thing I have learned about this lockout is it appears to me, both sides have some fault, and it would end a lot faster if both sides would own up to that.
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blaise In Search of a Life Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Plano, TX Casino cash: $9989900	Some of the editorial stuff out of Deadspin over the last few months has kind of irked me. It's almost like they're becoming the type of self-important smug entity they used to blast ESPN for being.
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05-12-2011, 07:23 PM	#51
Rasputin Tip of the hat LIV Champs Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: ks Casino cash: $225421	This whole thing can simply be solved by players and owners negotiating. Both sides sit down and give a little tell they meet in the middle. Untill then nothing is going to be solved by blaming either side. It's on the players and owners, both are at fault. I don't give a shit who is right or wrong, just come to a conclusion that gives fans a game worth going too and so we can support our favorite teams. It's about the money for the players and owners, but it's for the integrity of the game that is at risk, at the FANS expense. __________________ "Those who don't believe in magic will never find it"
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