ESPN's Bill Williamson Ranks AFCW's Top 40 Players

[CoMoChief]

http://espn.go.com/blog/afcwest/post...n-the-afc-west


1. Philip Rivers, San Diego: He is an elite player at the most important position on the field.

2. Nnamdi Asomugha, Oakland: There’s a reason he’ll be the top prize in free agency.

3. Jamaal Charles, Kansas City: One of the NFL’s most dynamic young players.

4. Antonio Gates, San Diego: He should end up in Canton.

5. Tamba Hali, Kansas City: One of the NFL’s best defensive players.

6. Dwayne Bowe, Kansas City: He is a game-changing talent.

7. Richard Seymour, Oakland: Respected veteran changed Oakland’s defense.

8. Vincent Jackson, San Diego: Expect a strong rebound in 2011.

9. Ryan Clady, Denver: One of the game's premier left tackles.

10. Champ Bailey, Denver: Even at 33, he is special.

11. Eric Berry, Kansas City: He should be the game’s best safety soon.

12. Nick Hardwick, San Diego: An anchor to a strong offensive line.

13. Darren McFadden, Oakland: He is developing into a star.

=> 14. Matt Cassel, Kansas City: Cassel has to continue to make strides.

15. Zach Miller, Oakland: He can make Oakland’s offense special.

16. Derrick Johnson, Kansas City: He is a serious playmaker.

17. Quentin Jammer, San Diego: Solid veteran is an anchor to a good defense.

18. Kris Dielman, San Diego: A steady hand on the Chargers’ line.

19. D.J. Williams, Denver: He is a tackling machine.

20. Marcus McNeill, San Diego: He’s an upper-echelon left tackle.

21. Shaun Phillips, San Diego: He is one of the division’s best pass-rushers.

22. Brandon Flowers, Kansas City: One of the game’s best young cornerbacks.

23. Eric Weddle, San Diego: A hard-nosed playmaker at safety.

24. Glenn Dorsey, Kansas City: He came on strong in 2010.

25. Tommy Kelly, Oakland: Massive defensive tackle had a big season in 2010.

26. Elvis Dumervil, Denver: If Dumervil bounces back from sitting out in 2010, he should be ranked higher next year.

27. Rolando McClain, Oakland: McClain has a chance to be one of the division’s better linebackers.

28. Brandon Lloyd, Denver: Lloyd came out of nowhere for a special 2010.

29. Shane Lechler, Oakland: The game’s best kicking specialist.

30. Ryan Lilja, Kansas City: A gritty, tough veteran guard.

31. Malcom Floyd, San Diego: He can make the spectacular catch look easy.

32. Brian Waters, Kansas City: A great veteran presence on a good line.

33. Jason Campbell, Oakland: Oakland will be depending on Campbell a lot this season.

34. Kamerion Wimbley, Oakland: He can get sacks in bunches.

35. Tony Moeaki, Kansas City: Second-year tight end is a player to watch.

36. Lamarr Houston, Oakland: He has a chance to be special.

37. Antonio Garay, San Diego: He had a strong 2010 season at 31.

38. Ryan Mathews, San Diego: He showed flashes as a rookie.

39. Michael Bush, Oakland: He and McFadden form a nice tandem.

40. Thomas Jones, Kansas City: He can still help the Chiefs at 33.

[CoMoChief]

Originally Posted by milkman

If Manning isn't the most overrated QB in the NFL ever, then Farve is.

how so?

[Mr. Laz]

Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

Man we could have had a hell of QB if you could put DeBerg's heart and heat in Grbac's body.

repostx10000000000000011111111111!!!!!!!1


people been saying that shit for year ... Grbac was such a pussy.


Hochevar is the same imo

[suzzer99]

Originally Posted by salame

everyone outside of KC loves matt cassel

I don't have a huge ranking because he is that valuable to the team. Cassel is a good game manager and the team loves him. He just can't throw for accuracy or distance, and he shit the bed in the playoffs. We could do a lot worse, but he'll probably never get us to a super bowl, which is what makes everyone here want to can him.

I'm still giving him one more year (since we have to anyway). If he improves as much this year as he did last year, he'll be good enough to get us to the promised land with the rest of the team we're putting around him. But he has to make big strides.

Colquitt should be on this list.

[BossChief]

In 2009, Cassel was a 4 on a scale of 1-10.

Last year, I think he improved to a 7.

If he shows the ability to improve to a 8, we will return to the playoffs and make some noise when we get there.

[Gadzooks]

Originally Posted by Rausch

I love Deberg, he's one of my all time favorites, but he's nowhere near Kelly's level...

Deberg was an easy guy to root for. He had a lot of guts playing through injuries, (i.e. broken pinky). Kinda' reminds me of when Rivers suffered a torn ACL in the 2007 NFL playoffs and played the AFC Championship game prior to his surgury...
... but he wore a knee brace so he's a whiney bitch.

[Mr. Laz]

Originally Posted by BossChief

In 2009, Cassel was a 4 on a scale of 1-10.

Last year, I think he improved to a 7.

If he shows the ability to improve to a 8, we will return to the playoffs and make some noise when we get there.

Cassel is an average type QB

He's overpaid all to hell but other than that the only real issue is that we need to be trying draft/develop his replacement as of yesterday.

[suzzer99]

The problem is to do that either you go big (first round) or you have a pretty low chance of success (Croyle, Blundin, Elkins, etc.). And even if you go big there's no guarantee, especially since we don't expect to be drafting in the top 5 again for a while.

It's a tough spot. I think your happiest path at this point is to pray Cassel develops into a playoff-winning QB. If not then maybe we can grab a Carson Palmer and/or draft someone.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Originally Posted by salame

everyone outside of KC loves matt cassel

"Greener grass/morans" etc.

[Mr. Laz]

Originally Posted by suzzer99

The problem is to do that either you go big (first round) or you have a pretty low chance of success (Croyle, Blundin, Elkins, etc.). And even if you go big there's no guarantee, especially since we don't expect to be drafting in the top 5 again for a while.

It's a tough spot. I think your happiest path at this point is to pray Cassel develops into a playoff-winning QB. If not then maybe we can grab a Carson Palmer and/or draft someone.

unless you have an Aaron Rodger type guy on your roster you need to be drafting a QB every couple of years. We didn't do that until this year with Stanzi. We took too long imo. In a couple years if Stanzi doesn't show up then we need to try again and if an unexpected talent ever drops to you in the 1st round then you grab them regardless.

[doomy3]

Originally Posted by DarthCarlSatan

"Greener grass/morans" etc.

You know a lot about that.

[BossChief]

Originally Posted by Laz

Cassel is an average type QB

He's overpaid all to hell but other than that the only real issue is that we need to be trying draft/develop his replacement as of yesterday.

1) his pay for the two years after 2011 are nothing for a starting quarterback in the NFL. It should allow us to continue to make moves. And before someone comes out with the "I bet they extend his deal soon" ...players for Piolis teams play out there deals.

2) you do know that we drafted the great Ricky Stanzi, right?

[Psyko Tek]

Originally Posted by Reaper16

Thomas Jones was one of the NFL's very worst running backs last season. But he's better than Brandon Carr, who is a legit top-20 cornerback in the NFL?

yes I think he is
and I think flowers was rated to low
on KC teams he would be one followed by berry at 2 and jcharles at 3
(|I have a defensive bias)

[BossChief]

You think Thomas Jones is better than Brandon Carr and claim to have a defensive bias?

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

Man just think if we had Rivers. We would own this next decade so easily it wouldn't even be close.

Too bad like the Bengals game this season, he has come up short when it counts.


http://bleacherreport.com/articles/7...layoff-resumes


Maybe I’m alone in this opinion, but I think Philip Rivers is wildly overrated.

Exhibit A: His career playoff record is 3-4.

Exhibit B: He has never played in a Super Bowl.

Exhibit C: His career playoff stats are as follows:

Game 1 (Loss, 24-21 vs. New England): 14-32, 230 YD, 0 TD, 1 INT.

Game 2 (Win, 17-6 vs. Tennessee): 19-30, 292 YD, 1TD, 1 INT.

Game 3 (Win, 28-24 vs. Indianapolis): 14-19, 264 YD, 3 TD, 1 INT.

Game 4 (Loss, 21-12 vs. New England): 19-37, 211 YD, 0 TD, 2 INT.

Game 5 (Win, 23-17 vs. Indianapolis): 20-36, 217 YD, 0 TD, 1 INT.

Game 6 (Loss, 35-24 vs. Pittsburgh): 21-35, 308 YD, 3 TD, 1 INT.

Game 7 (Loss, 17-14 vs. NYJ): 27-40, 298 YD, 1 TD, 2 INT.

For those scoring at home, that’s at best three solid performances in seven postseason games.

The prosecution rests.

[DeezNutz]

Originally Posted by Laz

unless you have an Aaron Rodger type guy on your roster you need to be drafting a QB every couple of years. We didn't do that until this year with Stanzi. We took too long imo. In a couple years if Stanzi doesn't show up then we need to try again and if an unexpected talent ever drops to you in the 1st round then you grab them regardless.

I disagree in the sense that you should be trying for a QB "every" year, not "every couple of years."

Guys like Stanzi don't get grace periods. They show something or they get the **** out.