Chiefs ESPN's Bill Williamson Ranks AFCW's Top 40 Players - Page 6

CoMoChief · 07-23-2011, 11:07 AM

http://espn.go.com/blog/afcwest/post...n-the-afc-west

1. Philip Rivers, San Diego: He is an elite player at the most important position on the field.

2. Nnamdi Asomugha, Oakland: There’s a reason he’ll be the top prize in free agency.

3. Jamaal Charles, Kansas City: One of the NFL’s most dynamic young players.

4. Antonio Gates, San Diego: He should end up in Canton.

5. Tamba Hali, Kansas City: One of the NFL’s best defensive players.

6. Dwayne Bowe, Kansas City: He is a game-changing talent.

7. Richard Seymour, Oakland: Respected veteran changed Oakland’s defense.

8. Vincent Jackson, San Diego: Expect a strong rebound in 2011.

9. Ryan Clady, Denver: One of the game's premier left tackles.

10. Champ Bailey, Denver: Even at 33, he is special.

11. Eric Berry, Kansas City: He should be the game’s best safety soon.

12. Nick Hardwick, San Diego: An anchor to a strong offensive line.

13. Darren McFadden, Oakland: He is developing into a star.

=> 14. Matt Cassel, Kansas City: Cassel has to continue to make strides.

15. Zach Miller, Oakland: He can make Oakland’s offense special.

16. Derrick Johnson, Kansas City: He is a serious playmaker.

17. Quentin Jammer, San Diego: Solid veteran is an anchor to a good defense.

18. Kris Dielman, San Diego: A steady hand on the Chargers’ line.

19. D.J. Williams, Denver: He is a tackling machine.

20. Marcus McNeill, San Diego: He’s an upper-echelon left tackle.

21. Shaun Phillips, San Diego: He is one of the division’s best pass-rushers.

22. Brandon Flowers, Kansas City: One of the game’s best young cornerbacks.

23. Eric Weddle, San Diego: A hard-nosed playmaker at safety.

24. Glenn Dorsey, Kansas City: He came on strong in 2010.

25. Tommy Kelly, Oakland: Massive defensive tackle had a big season in 2010.

26. Elvis Dumervil, Denver: If Dumervil bounces back from sitting out in 2010, he should be ranked higher next year.

27. Rolando McClain, Oakland: McClain has a chance to be one of the division’s better linebackers.

28. Brandon Lloyd, Denver: Lloyd came out of nowhere for a special 2010.

29. Shane Lechler, Oakland: The game’s best kicking specialist.

30. Ryan Lilja, Kansas City: A gritty, tough veteran guard.

31. Malcom Floyd, San Diego: He can make the spectacular catch look easy.

32. Brian Waters, Kansas City: A great veteran presence on a good line.

33. Jason Campbell, Oakland: Oakland will be depending on Campbell a lot this season.

34. Kamerion Wimbley, Oakland: He can get sacks in bunches.

35. Tony Moeaki, Kansas City: Second-year tight end is a player to watch.

36. Lamarr Houston, Oakland: He has a chance to be special.

37. Antonio Garay, San Diego: He had a strong 2010 season at 31.

38. Ryan Mathews, San Diego: He showed flashes as a rookie.

39. Michael Bush, Oakland: He and McFadden form a nice tandem.

40. Thomas Jones, Kansas City: He can still help the Chiefs at 33.

**DeezNutz** · 07-23-2011, 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

In 2009, Cassel was a 4 on a scale of 1-10.

Last year, I think he improved to a 7.

If he shows the ability to improve to a 8, we will return to the playoffs and make some noise when we get there.

By 4, I assume you mean 44 (out of 46). He was ****ing trash.

Last year, however, showed that he deserves more time and the benefit of the doubt...for now.

**BossChief** · 07-23-2011, 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

I disagree in the sense that you should be trying for a QB "every" year, not "every couple of years."

Guys like Stanzi don't get grace periods. They show something or they get the **** out.

What does "guys like Stanzi don't get grace periods" mean?

You think that if a rookie qb doesn't light up preseason, the team should immediately move on?

Quarterbacks take time and this class hasn't had the benefit of coaching throughout the offseason.

Not trying to make any excuses...I think Ricky will be able to step in and move the offense, but will also make some mistakes...just asking for a bit of clarification.

Chris Meck · 07-23-2011, 04:56 PM

you've got to have three, right? Might as well.

**DeezNutz** · 07-23-2011, 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

What does "guys like Stanzi don't get grace periods" mean?

It means late-round roster filler, which he is.

I'd hope, and assume, that he's better suited than Croyle to serve as a backup. But the window for 5th-round picks is (and should be) considerably smaller.

There's a reason why he was a day-three selection.

**DeezNutz** · 07-23-2011, 04:59 PM

And "show something" does not equal "light it up."

lcarus · 07-23-2011, 05:02 PM

Derrick Johnson ahead of Brandon Flowers? Nah..

Mr. Laz · 07-23-2011, 05:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeezNutz

I disagree in the sense that you should be trying for a QB "every" year, not "every couple of years."

Guys like Stanzi don't get grace periods. They show something or they get the **** out.

yea, i know but imo sometimes it takes more than 1 season to evaluate a QB.

just say this: As soon as your coaches don't think you have "the guy" then you just move on and draft another. No time limit.

**DeezNutz** · 07-23-2011, 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Laz

just say this: As soon as your coaches don't think you have "the guy" then you just move on and draft another. No time limit.

Agree completely.

**BossChief** · 07-23-2011, 05:09 PM

Id be fine with it of they brought in a vet to play backup this year...in fact, I think we must do so.

I'm not saying he deserves a 4 year pass here, just that he shouldn't really be judged one way or another based on his preseason play this year (assuming there is one and recent reports are accurate)

That would be shortsighted.

He is a player that will get better with time.

I totally agree that we should continue to turn over stones till we have a solid group of quarterbacks.

Obviously, I have a lot more faith in Stanzi than 99% of the planet because I have followed his progress over the last three years.

milkman · 07-23-2011, 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by CoMoChief

how so?

How many comeback wins was given he credit for when it was his stupid interceptions that were directly, or indirectly, responsible for the need to comeback?

How many games did he fail to lead the Pack to a win when it was his interceptions that put his team in position to lose?

Most of his playoff games through his career are interception fests, and he's had a couple in which he's actually played pretty well, but has made boneheaded interceptions that lost games for the Pack.

Quesadilla Joe · 07-23-2011, 05:18 PM

The media are just a bunch of what have you done for me lately assholes.... Elvis Dumervil has been getting shafted on all kinds of these lists. There is no way Tamba Hali should be higher than him, let alone 20+ spots higher. DOOM and Hali were both drafted in 06 and DOOM has more career sacks than Hali, DESPITE missing an entire season and playing the whole 2008 season with a broken bone in his hand.

Pasta Little Brioni · 07-23-2011, 05:22 PM

DOOM is now a gimp (just like that certain WR from Georgia Tech), so down the list he goes.

**Gadzooks** · 07-23-2011, 05:41 PM

Why wasn't Stanzi on the list?!? He should have been at least 40 spots ahead of Tebow.

MagicHef · 07-23-2011, 05:50 PM

BossChief- how do you feel about Ryan Harris not being on this list?

**Reaper16** · 07-23-2011, 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Gadzooks

Why wasn't Stanzi on the list?!? He should have been at least 40 spots ahead of Tebow.

He is 40 spots ahead of Tebow, but Bill Williamson just didn't bother posting players #94 through #134.

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