Chiefs Im taking things back...I hope the Chiefs tank the season - Page 6

RedThat · 08-29-2011, 12:49 PM

Before I said I wanted the Chiefs to be successful this season but now I changed my mind.

I honestly hope they fail. I know I look stupid for saying this, but I really don't give a sh*t. Please bear with me here and I'll give you my explanations as to why I want them to fail this season.

I just simply think now is the right time for them to do that. That is all. I have come to the conclusion and decided that we are not going anywhere with Cassel. Im not placing my hopes in him. **** it. I lost faith. He is not the answer. And I am now jumping on the bandwagon with the rest of the fans out there that we should draft a quarterback in the first round. Luck? possibly? It is wishful thinking at this point but I would never rule it out as a possiblity. You just never know.

But I would love and absolutely love to have Andrew Luck. The guy is a gamer and will be an excellent NFL quarterback imo. But what will it take to get him? Thats the question. Do we have to finish in the bottom 5 in the league? Or, will he go #1 overall? I don't know. I can't see us being the worst team in the league. We have too much talent. But for once, I want this thing to be right for **** sakes. We do this by drafting a QB in the first. **** these journeyman no good projectory quarterbacks. they get you nothing in the end except 9-7 or 10-6 seasons at best. which is exactly what happened last year. Instead, I want the homerun. In fact, I want the grandslam. Im thinking big. Even if it means sacrificing this season to ensure a better longterm future. Im relying on hope brothers and sisters.

I repeat, this team has a lot of talent. In fact, we have an abundance of talent. We have enough talent and good coaching on defense to be a top 10 D. We have a great running game, good young interior Olineman, good Wrs, good TE. The Chiefs are not that far off, believe me. But, we are missing a few big components that could easily make this team a failure and set them back a year or two. One of those is we lack a true legit QB, and a set of bookend OT's. Those are BIG BIG pieces to the puzzle of a championship team.

I think Cassel is going to lose us games this year. Teams will be prepared to shut down the running game and we will be forced to pass. We don't have the QB or OTs to make an effective passing game. I don't expect us to improve in pass offense. Plus, we lost Charlie Weis as OC. I thought he made up for a lot. Big big loss there. One of the brightest minds in the game. And we have one of the worst offensive coaches in Bill Muir running the show. The offense will sputter big time this season. The defense will do its job but will be on the field long enough to wear down in games thanks in large part to the uncomplimentary offense we have. Do that against good teams and you're done. And we are going to play a lot of good teams. So.....the fact, we have a tough schedule, this team could be in for a long, losing season. It seriously wouldn't surprise me? there is nothing I have seen this preseason to say, "yeah this team has it." Nothing like that. They have been a joke. I know, I know its preseason. As most would say, big effing deal. IT IS A BIG DEAL! We should care because its part of preparation. Just the fact that Haley is not concerned about preseason and treating it like scrimmage raises a big red flag. What kind of a ****ing NFL coach does that? honestly. Who has done that this year? Nobody except boneheaded Todd. **** him. If he ****'s this season up because of that, he should be out the door. And that may be worth it? It might not be a bad thing if we could get a REAL coach and quarterback in here.

Haley can easily screw this thing up. He makes a lot of boneheaded/head scratching decisions at times. Lets face it, he had a lot of help last year with Weis. Lets see how good he really is without a bright offensive mind.
I just don't have a good feeling about him at all. He is going to **** us up and run us down to the ground.

Reerun_KC · 08-29-2011, 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by SNR

1. Your jokes suck. So do you. You should probably stop trying to be funny.

2. What you just posted isn't sarcasm. "Since you suck at sarcasm" has absolutely nothing to do with your bad joke.

3. If you wanted to make a gay joke, there are about 453,834 different ways you could have worded it better. Again, you suck at humor.

Never disappoints...

RedThat · 08-29-2011, 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Reerun_KC

and you know without any doubt that you can draft that Elite QB?

And if you draft that Elite QB and he fails? You have wasted the talent of this team just the same...

And what if that elite QB becomes good? It can go the other way too.

We screw up the season and get Luck he becomes a great quarterback and he takes this team to the promised land.

here is the way I see it, we go 9-7 this year. Okay, we make the playoffs,again, win the division and lose again in the first round. Last year happens all over again and Cassel ****s up. I guarantee you, people will rant and rave about how much he sucks and dream about having that elite QB. So what difference does it make if we go 9-7 lose in the first round(we went nowhere, no SB) or 5-11(same thing, went nowhere, no SB, BUT increase our chances of landing a top QB prospect). Id rather take the 5-11 and increase my chances of landing the top QB prospect IF it betters our chances of going to the bowl in the future, why not?

*you draft elite QBs in the first. most of the time anyway. The Tom Bradys are rare. I know everybody here HOPES Stanzi becomes that guy. But why not draft a QB in the first? If that guy becomes good, and Stanzi becomes good the qb position becomes even more solidified. Then what will people say?

RedThat · 08-29-2011, 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Pestilence

You do realize that even if we somehow go 3-13......Cassel would still be our starting QB next year? Unless he completely shits the bed and throws 40 INTs and 2 TDs.....they're not cutting bait. They'll blame it on our pass protection and you would watch this team take a LT with the #1 pick.

Id ****ing cry if that happened

Reerun_KC · 08-29-2011, 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by RedThat

And what if that elite QB becomes good? It can go the other way too.

We screw up the season and get Luck he becomes a great quarterback and he takes this team to the promised land.

here is the way I see it, we go 9-7 this year. Okay, we make the playoffs,again, win the division and lose again in the first round. Last year happens all over again and Cassel ****s up. I guarantee you, people will rant and rave about how much he sucks and dream about having that elite QB. So what difference does it make if we go 9-7 lose in the first round(we went nowhere, no SB) or 5-11(same thing, went nowhere, no SB, BUT increase our chances of landing a top QB prospect). Id rather take the 5-11 and increase my chances of landing the top QB prospect IF it betters our chances of going to the bowl in the future, why not?

*you draft elite QBs in the first. most of the time anyway. The Tom Bradys are rare. I know everybody here HOPES Stanzi becomes that guy. But why not draft a QB in the first? If that guy becomes good, and Stanzi becomes good the qb position becomes even more solidified. Then what will people say?

In your world, you cant play the "what if" game...

Buns · 08-29-2011, 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by RedThat

And what if that elite QB becomes good? It can go the other way too.

We screw up the season and get Luck he becomes a great quarterback and he takes this team to the promised land.

here is the way I see it, we go 9-7 this year. Okay, we make the playoffs,again, win the division and lose again in the first round. Last year happens all over again and Cassel ****s up. I guarantee you, people will rant and rave about how much he sucks and dream about having that elite QB. So what difference does it make if we go 9-7 lose in the first round(we went nowhere, no SB) or 5-11(same thing, went nowhere, no SB, BUT increase our chances of landing a top QB prospect). Id rather take the 5-11 and increase my chances of landing the top QB prospect IF it betters our chances of going to the bowl in the future, why not?

*you draft elite QBs in the first. most of the time anyway. The Tom Bradys are rare. I know everybody here HOPES Stanzi becomes that guy. But why not draft a QB in the first? If that guy becomes good, and Stanzi becomes good the qb position becomes even more solidified. Then what will people say?

The difference is, you have ass for lips, and shit for brains

RedThat · 08-29-2011, 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by SNR

Cassel bashers have had 3 years to vent out frustrations. It's come in the form of Cassel threads, Sanchez threads, McCluster threads, Pioli threads, Star Trek threads, and (of course) draft threads. And so much more, including stuff in DC

RedThat chose to keep his doubts suppressed for awhile. What you're seeing here is the releasing of that anger he's been keeping hidden deep down for a long time.

You'll be fine, RedThat. Try drinking a nice hot cup of Ricky Stanzi. It will take the edge off.

I have been very mum on him for a while.

I put faith in him from the start when we first got him. I was looking to see improvements from him as the years went on. I was excited when we hired Weis last year because I thought he would develop Cassel's game. I was still excited when we hired Zorn and had hope in Cassel. BUT, after watching him this preseason, I know its preseason but the guy still makes the same mistakes.

His field vision didn't improve.

His footwork and mechanics are off.

What else? His pocket presence is bad. He panics against the rush and lacks poise. He stares down his receivers and forces throws. His arm strength sucks. so does his accuracy.

All these things have just carried over from the past till now. And, no improvement. Im just convinced he is what he is.

And lets fact it, the guy is a project, okay. His whole career he has been a backup. At USC, in the NFL with Pats, but except for us. And I think, that is where he belongs as a backup. You just don't win with backup QBs. Unless, you have a GREAT GREAAT defense and a heck of a good running game.

you know what Cassel is good for?

Being on that kinda team. Greaat defense and running game. just keep it simple. Don't make mistakes. don't cause any turnovers or lose us games. Let the rest of the team win it for us.

I want a QB that can win us games. He is not that guy.

RedThat · 08-29-2011, 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Virtua Chief

The difference is, you have ass for lips, and shit for brains

eat sh*t, choke on it and die.

RedThat · 08-29-2011, 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Reerun_KC

In your world, you cant play the "what if" game...

but you are? so why are you telling me that?

Buns · 08-29-2011, 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by RedThat

I honestly hope they fail. I know I look stupid for saying this, but I really don't give a sh*t. Please bear with me here and I'll give you my explanations as to why I want them to fail this season.

You is a bitch

**RealSNR** · 08-29-2011, 02:31 PM

What do you give a franchise that hasn't won a playoff game since 1994?

An undeveloped low-ceiling backup QB. Duh. Everybody knows that.

lcarus · 08-29-2011, 02:34 PM

If we have to be the dead last team in the NFL to get the #1 pick to get a possible elite QB, then **** an elite QB. We could do what good franchises do, and find a good QB in the draft and mold him into an elite QB by surrounding him with good players. Ben Roethlisberger was the 11th pick. Drew Brees was taken at the very end of the 2nd round. Aaron Rodgers was taken at the end of the 1st round. Tom Brady...we all know where he was taken. Flacco was taken 18th. Out of all the good quarterbacks in the league right now, only what...Manning and Vick were taken first overall? I'm just saying....we should do the best with what we've got and if our front office is worth their salt they will find their QB wherever we land in the draft.

Reerun_KC · 08-29-2011, 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by SNR

What do you give a franchise that hasn't won a playoff game since 1994?

An undeveloped low-ceiling backup QB. Duh. Everybody knows that.

A fan base that has all the right answers on how to build a SuperBowl team...

Calcountry · 08-29-2011, 02:41 PM

I was watching flight 93 the other night, and I was hoping they would kill one of the terrorists before the plane hit the ground. I ALWAYS root for my team, even if it is the last game in a non playoff year. Dumb thread.

lcarus · 08-29-2011, 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Reerun_KC

A fan base that has all the right answers on how to build a SuperBowl team...

Well we sure know how NOT to win a Super Bowl. The fans of this team have seen a lot since we last won a playoff game. We've had an elite defense, elite offense, great RBs, bad kickers, great kick returners, conservative head coaches, non conservative head coaches, coaches who don't know their asshole from their elbow. And yet through all of the last 17 years, the closest we ever got to the Super Bowl trophy was when we had an elite QB. Even at the very end of his career, Joe almost got us there. That was a well balanced team. Good running game, good solid defense, and a QB that can win the game for you at the last minute. That's what you need to win a Super Bowl.

**RealSNR** · 08-29-2011, 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Reerun_KC

A fan base that has all the right answers on how to build a SuperBowl team...

Haha. Yeah. Right.

Listen, none of us have the right answers. All I know is we tried one solution for Super Bowl success back in 1983 and it didn't work out. So we went in the opposite direction and tried that for awhile. It hasn't worked. At. All.

It's time to give drafting a QB in the 1st round another shot. It's been 28 goddamn years.

08-29-2011, 12:49 PM
RedThat Banned Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Earth Casino cash: $10004900	Im taking things back...I hope the Chiefs tank the season Before I said I wanted the Chiefs to be successful this season but now I changed my mind. I honestly hope they fail. I know I look stupid for saying this, but I really don't give a sht. Please bear with me here and I'll give you my explanations as to why I want them to fail this season. I just simply think now is the right time for them to do that. That is all. I have come to the conclusion and decided that we are not going anywhere with Cassel. Im not placing my hopes in him. * it. I lost faith. He is not the answer. And I am now jumping on the bandwagon with the rest of the fans out there that we should draft a quarterback in the first round. Luck? possibly? It is wishful thinking at this point but I would never rule it out as a possiblity. You just never know. But I would love and absolutely love to have Andrew Luck. The guy is a gamer and will be an excellent NFL quarterback imo. But what will it take to get him? Thats the question. Do we have to finish in the bottom 5 in the league? Or, will he go #1 overall? I don't know. I can't see us being the worst team in the league. We have too much talent. But for once, I want this thing to be right for sakes. We do this by drafting a QB in the first. these journeyman no good projectory quarterbacks. they get you nothing in the end except 9-7 or 10-6 seasons at best. which is exactly what happened last year. Instead, I want the homerun. In fact, I want the grandslam. Im thinking big. Even if it means sacrificing this season to ensure a better longterm future. Im relying on hope brothers and sisters. I repeat, this team has a lot of talent. In fact, we have an abundance of talent. We have enough talent and good coaching on defense to be a top 10 D. We have a great running game, good young interior Olineman, good Wrs, good TE. The Chiefs are not that far off, believe me. But, we are missing a few big components that could easily make this team a failure and set them back a year or two. One of those is we lack a true legit QB, and a set of bookend OT's. Those are BIG BIG pieces to the puzzle of a championship team. I think Cassel is going to lose us games this year. Teams will be prepared to shut down the running game and we will be forced to pass. We don't have the QB or OTs to make an effective passing game. I don't expect us to improve in pass offense. Plus, we lost Charlie Weis as OC. I thought he made up for a lot. Big big loss there. One of the brightest minds in the game. And we have one of the worst offensive coaches in Bill Muir running the show. The offense will sputter big time this season. The defense will do its job but will be on the field long enough to wear down in games thanks in large part to the uncomplimentary offense we have. Do that against good teams and you're done. And we are going to play a lot of good teams. So.....the fact, we have a tough schedule, this team could be in for a long, losing season. It seriously wouldn't surprise me? there is nothing I have seen this preseason to say, "yeah this team has it." Nothing like that. They have been a joke. I know, I know its preseason. As most would say, big effing deal. IT IS A BIG DEAL! We should care because its part of preparation. Just the fact that Haley is not concerned about preseason and treating it like scrimmage raises a big red flag. What kind of a ing NFL coach does that? honestly. Who has done that this year? Nobody except boneheaded Todd. him. If he 's this season up because of that, he should be out the door. And that may be worth it? It might not be a bad thing if we could get a REAL coach and quarterback in here. Haley can easily screw this thing up. He makes a lot of boneheaded/head scratching decisions at times. Lets face it, he had a lot of help last year with Weis. Lets see how good he really is without a bright offensive mind. I just don't have a good feeling about him at all. He is going to ** us up and run us down to the ground.
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lcarus Everybody Lies. Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: 22 Acacia Avenue Casino cash: $-1799887	If we have to be the dead last team in the NFL to get the #1 pick to get a possible elite QB, then **** an elite QB. We could do what good franchises do, and find a good QB in the draft and mold him into an elite QB by surrounding him with good players. Ben Roethlisberger was the 11th pick. Drew Brees was taken at the very end of the 2nd round. Aaron Rodgers was taken at the end of the 1st round. Tom Brady...we all know where he was taken. Flacco was taken 18th. Out of all the good quarterbacks in the league right now, only what...Manning and Vick were taken first overall? I'm just saying....we should do the best with what we've got and if our front office is worth their salt they will find their QB wherever we land in the draft.
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Calcountry Shoot the tube Join Date: Oct 2003 Casino cash: $7527870	I was watching flight 93 the other night, and I was hoping they would kill one of the terrorists before the plane hit the ground. I ALWAYS root for my team, even if it is the last game in a non playoff year. Dumb thread. __________________
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