Chiefs Mid-Term Evaluation: Grading Scott Pioli - Page 3

Nightfyre · 09-07-2011, 12:53 AM

Please provide your grade of Scott Pioli through the first two and a half years of service, along with some insight about why you graded him so.

Mine:

Changes in Head Coaches:
Firing Chan Gailey - B - It was a no-brainer. Keeping him on in the capacity of an offensive coordinator was somewhat of a mess, but maybe they got some intel out of him they otherwise wouldn't have.

Hiring Todd Haley - B - I like Todd Haley. I think he has the capacity and balls to bring us to the Superbowl. He definitely does things his way, which is both good and bad. He is also willing to adapt as he goes.

Drafting:
2009 -
Round 1:
Tyson Jackson - (D) A 5-tech drafted at number 3 who should have been drafted somewhere around the middle of the first round. Jackson has failed to impress in his first two seasons; however, that is typical of defensive lineman as their development cycle is thought to average three years. He cannot possibly live up to his draft position.

Round 2:
Matt Cassel - (C) - Cassel has probably played at a B- level, but the huge contract he is under mitigates his play. Further, Pioli continues to stick with him despite his limited upside and time-in-service.

Mike Vrabel - (C) - provided below-average play due to his speed, but supposedly provided veteran leadership. I'll give them the benefit of the doubt on that part.

Round 3:
Alex Magee - (F) - Traded to the Buc's to swap a fifth round pick for a sixth round pick two years later.

Round 4:
Donald Washington (C) - A high upside pick that just didn't pan out. I like this pick at the time. Still on the roster (they refuse to give up on him)

Round 5:
Colin Brown (F) - Didn't even make the opening season roster.

Round 6:
Quinten Lawrence (C) - Mediocre non-contributor, Currently on the Practice Squad

Round 7:
Javarris Williams - (C) - Released and subsequently signed with the Texans.

Jake O'Connell - (C) - How does this guy justify a roster spot?

Ryan Succop - (A) - What a pickup. A good kicker with the leg to become an elite one.

2010:

Round 1:
Eric Berry - (A+) - A super high upside pick with great intangibles, made the pro-bowl his first year.

Round 2:
Dexter McCluster - (C) - An undersized player they envisioned at the slot. He did win us the first game of the 2010 season, but he suffered an injury. It's hard to pin down just what McCluster will contribute. Regardless, at this point it appears unlikely to be worth a second round pick.

Javier Arenas - (B-) - He is likely a career nickel-back, which he does well and has upside at. Given the frequency with which nickel-backs are used in todays NFL, I am going to say he has potential to justify his draft position, but he will have to become pretty elite.

Round 3:
Jon Asamoah - (B+) - He is starting in 2011, and while he does not yet appear to be elite, he certainly has the potential.

Round 4:
Tony Moeaki - (B) - An elite tight-end in the making. The only caveat is that he has difficulty remaining healthy. May the lord bless us with a miracle surgeon.

Round 5:
Kendrick Lewis - (A) - A starting FS whose play in 2010 was adequate. Here's hoping he continues to improve.

Cameron Sheffield - (B) - After suffering a freak neck injury in 2010, we finally get to see Sheffield this year. He appears to be a moderate-upside player.

2011 Draft:
Round 1:
Jonathon Baldwin - (B+) - A top ten talent/athlete with character questions and a skill-set in severe need of an overhaul. Drafted near the bottom of round 1. His measurables are off the charts. He is slightly bigger than Larry Fitzgerald and as athletic. He must improve his attitude, his route-running, and his ability to break off press coverage. Amazing Hands. I hope this kid pans out, because I see Larry Fitzgerald upside.

Round 2:
Rodney Hudson - (B) - A highly-touted guard/center, but slightly undersized. Based on the preseason he is going to take some polish, but another good selection based on the information we have now.

Round 3:
Justin Houston - (B+) - A first round talent who dropped due to a failed drug test. He appears to have elite upside based on what we have seen thusfar.

Allen Bailey - (B+) - Another highly talented individual who appears to have elite upside.

Round 4:
Jalil Brown - (B) - Appears to have the stuff to make it as a number 2 corner, based on what we've seen thusfar.

Round 5:
Ricky Stanzi - (B) - Appears to have a better skillset and arm than Cassel, but we do not have a sufficient sample to draw any conclusions yet.

Round 6:
Gabe Miller - (C+) - Currently on the IR. I have not seen him play yet.

Jerrel Powe - (B) - Appears to have quite the upside for a nose tackle. Many would have been happy to see him drafted in round four, let alone six.

Round 7:
Shane Bannon - (C) - Currently on the practice squad.

OVERALL DRAFTING GRADE: B
I added less weight to the first draft given the timeframe in which Pioli was added.

Notable Free Agents:
2009:
Jovan Belcher - An UDFA who appears to have high upside as a MLB.
Terrence Copper - Special Teams player

2010:
Casey Weigman - A veteran with good presence in the locker room. Played well early in the season but lost too much weight/steam in the second half to be effective.

Thomas Jones- A veteran presence in the lockerroom, probably responsible for us maintaining Charles (an oft overlooked point.) On the other hand he did break our first round picks hand.

Ryan Lilja - A great pickup at Guard. A starter with some miles left on him.

Shaun Smith - An awesome pickup on the defensive line. He moved on to the Titans but provided one of his best years to KC.

Mike Brown - Lost too much speed to be effective.

Jerhame Urban - Still has a roster spot anyway.

2011:

Steve Breaston - Appears to be a solid addition, currently starting opposite Bowe.

Kelly Gregg - Hopefully he can show Powe the ropes. no one is sure how much he has left in the tank.

Steve Piscitelli - Safety depth, sort of.

Brandon Siler - Appeared to be a terrific pickup until he hit the IR.

Keary Colbert - Has a roster spot. Maybe he can show some of his old magic.

Le'ron McClain - An all-pro FB should provide excellent improvement in the short yardage running game, an area sorely missed last season.

Free Agency Grade: B-
We have added some players, however I would say Pioli has only done a slightly above-average job thusfar acquiring talent through free agency.

Pioli's overall grade: B

He has substantially improved the roster and the coaching staff. However, he has a long way to go to bring us to the Bowl.

Quesadilla Joe · 09-07-2011, 07:34 AM

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Originally Posted by whoman69

Yes because Herm brought out all the great play in those players.

We had other options beyond Berry.

Weis and Crennel brought out the best in those guys last year. Pioli had nothing to do with it.

**HemiEd** · 09-07-2011, 07:36 AM

His first draft was an F-, but he did get a late start. If only he had of deferred that draft to our draftabulators, this team would be Super Bowl bound.

His next two have been stellar, and this team seems to no longer be devoid of talent. I love the fire Haley brings, and his self confidence to do it his own way.

I would give Pioli a solid B+.

whoman69 · 09-07-2011, 07:42 AM

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Originally Posted by King_Chief_Fan

As if any of you are qualified to evaluate job performance of an NFL GM.

I give you all an F on your attempt. It was humorous though.

So we can't talk about anything then? We can't talk about player eval because we're not a GM. We can't talk about any of the coaches because we've never been a coach. We can't talk about Cassel because none of us have ever been an NFL QB.

and get back under the table.

Reerun_KC · 09-07-2011, 07:44 AM

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Originally Posted by whoman69

So we can't talk about anything then? We can't talk about player eval because we're not a GM. We can't talk about any of the coaches because we've never been a coach. We can't talk about Cassel because none of us have ever been an NFL QB.

and get back under the table.

Its different to talk about it, but when you act like your word is absolute fact then it becomes....

keg in kc · 09-07-2011, 07:49 AM

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Originally Posted by KnowMo2724

Weis and Crennel brought out the best in those guys last year. Pioli had nothing to do with it.

Other than hiring Weis and Crennel.

milkman · 09-07-2011, 07:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Reerun_KC

Its different to talk about it, but when you act like your word is absolute fact then it becomes....

You're an idiot.

Reerun_KC · 09-07-2011, 07:53 AM

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Originally Posted by milkman

You're an idiot.

I dont really care what you think... Sorry homeboy...

Quesadilla Joe · 09-07-2011, 07:57 AM

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Originally Posted by keg in kc

Other than hiring Weis and Crennel.

Yeah...

milkman · 09-07-2011, 07:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Reerun_KC

I dont really care what you think... Sorry homeboy...

Because you're too stupid to care.

Reerun_KC · 09-07-2011, 08:03 AM

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Originally Posted by milkman

Because you're too stupid to care.

Yeah thats it Milkman...

and what am I too stupid to care about? I would really like to know...

|Zach| · 09-07-2011, 08:04 AM

Vrabel and Washington with the same grade?

I reject that.

milkman · 09-07-2011, 08:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Reerun_KC

Yeah thats it Milkman...

and what am I too stupid to care about? I would really like to know...

Most of us recognize that posts with people's thoughts about a player, a team, a draft, whatever, are opinions.

You're too stupid to understand that we shouldn't have to make it a point to state that these are opinions.

**gblowfish** · 09-07-2011, 08:10 AM

Ask me this question next Monday...

Reerun_KC · 09-07-2011, 08:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by milkman

Most of us recognize that posts with people's thoughts about a player, a team, a draft, whatever, are opinions.

You're too stupid to understand that we shouldn't have to make it a point to state that these are opinions.

Phew, Man I thought I was too stupid to care about something important..

Thanks for the calification buddy, I feel much better now...

Deberg_1990 · 09-07-2011, 08:24 AM

I wonder what grade Pioli would give the Chiefsplanet members at their jobs??

09-07-2011, 12:53 AM
Nightfyre MVP Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Helena, MT Casino cash: $1358849	Mid-Term Evaluation: Grading Scott Pioli Please provide your grade of Scott Pioli through the first two and a half years of service, along with some insight about why you graded him so. Mine: Changes in Head Coaches: Firing Chan Gailey - B - It was a no-brainer. Keeping him on in the capacity of an offensive coordinator was somewhat of a mess, but maybe they got some intel out of him they otherwise wouldn't have. Hiring Todd Haley - B - I like Todd Haley. I think he has the capacity and balls to bring us to the Superbowl. He definitely does things his way, which is both good and bad. He is also willing to adapt as he goes. Drafting: 2009 - Round 1: Tyson Jackson - (D) A 5-tech drafted at number 3 who should have been drafted somewhere around the middle of the first round. Jackson has failed to impress in his first two seasons; however, that is typical of defensive lineman as their development cycle is thought to average three years. He cannot possibly live up to his draft position. Round 2: Matt Cassel - (C) - Cassel has probably played at a B- level, but the huge contract he is under mitigates his play. Further, Pioli continues to stick with him despite his limited upside and time-in-service. Mike Vrabel - (C) - provided below-average play due to his speed, but supposedly provided veteran leadership. I'll give them the benefit of the doubt on that part. Round 3: Alex Magee - (F) - Traded to the Buc's to swap a fifth round pick for a sixth round pick two years later. Round 4: Donald Washington (C) - A high upside pick that just didn't pan out. I like this pick at the time. Still on the roster (they refuse to give up on him) Round 5: Colin Brown (F) - Didn't even make the opening season roster. Round 6: Quinten Lawrence (C) - Mediocre non-contributor, Currently on the Practice Squad Round 7: Javarris Williams - (C) - Released and subsequently signed with the Texans. Jake O'Connell - (C) - How does this guy justify a roster spot? Ryan Succop - (A) - What a pickup. A good kicker with the leg to become an elite one. 2010: Round 1: Eric Berry - (A+) - A super high upside pick with great intangibles, made the pro-bowl his first year. Round 2: Dexter McCluster - (C) - An undersized player they envisioned at the slot. He did win us the first game of the 2010 season, but he suffered an injury. It's hard to pin down just what McCluster will contribute. Regardless, at this point it appears unlikely to be worth a second round pick. Javier Arenas - (B-) - He is likely a career nickel-back, which he does well and has upside at. Given the frequency with which nickel-backs are used in todays NFL, I am going to say he has potential to justify his draft position, but he will have to become pretty elite. Round 3: Jon Asamoah - (B+) - He is starting in 2011, and while he does not yet appear to be elite, he certainly has the potential. Round 4: Tony Moeaki - (B) - An elite tight-end in the making. The only caveat is that he has difficulty remaining healthy. May the lord bless us with a miracle surgeon. Round 5: Kendrick Lewis - (A) - A starting FS whose play in 2010 was adequate. Here's hoping he continues to improve. Cameron Sheffield - (B) - After suffering a freak neck injury in 2010, we finally get to see Sheffield this year. He appears to be a moderate-upside player. 2011 Draft: Round 1: Jonathon Baldwin - (B+) - A top ten talent/athlete with character questions and a skill-set in severe need of an overhaul. Drafted near the bottom of round 1. His measurables are off the charts. He is slightly bigger than Larry Fitzgerald and as athletic. He must improve his attitude, his route-running, and his ability to break off press coverage. Amazing Hands. I hope this kid pans out, because I see Larry Fitzgerald upside. Round 2: Rodney Hudson - (B) - A highly-touted guard/center, but slightly undersized. Based on the preseason he is going to take some polish, but another good selection based on the information we have now. Round 3: Justin Houston - (B+) - A first round talent who dropped due to a failed drug test. He appears to have elite upside based on what we have seen thusfar. Allen Bailey - (B+) - Another highly talented individual who appears to have elite upside. Round 4: Jalil Brown - (B) - Appears to have the stuff to make it as a number 2 corner, based on what we've seen thusfar. Round 5: Ricky Stanzi - (B) - Appears to have a better skillset and arm than Cassel, but we do not have a sufficient sample to draw any conclusions yet. Round 6: Gabe Miller - (C+) - Currently on the IR. I have not seen him play yet. Jerrel Powe - (B) - Appears to have quite the upside for a nose tackle. Many would have been happy to see him drafted in round four, let alone six. Round 7: Shane Bannon - (C) - Currently on the practice squad. OVERALL DRAFTING GRADE: B I added less weight to the first draft given the timeframe in which Pioli was added. Notable Free Agents: 2009: Jovan Belcher - An UDFA who appears to have high upside as a MLB. Terrence Copper - Special Teams player 2010: Casey Weigman - A veteran with good presence in the locker room. Played well early in the season but lost too much weight/steam in the second half to be effective. Thomas Jones- A veteran presence in the lockerroom, probably responsible for us maintaining Charles (an oft overlooked point.) On the other hand he did break our first round picks hand. Ryan Lilja - A great pickup at Guard. A starter with some miles left on him. Shaun Smith - An awesome pickup on the defensive line. He moved on to the Titans but provided one of his best years to KC. Mike Brown - Lost too much speed to be effective. Jerhame Urban - Still has a roster spot anyway. 2011: Steve Breaston - Appears to be a solid addition, currently starting opposite Bowe. Kelly Gregg - Hopefully he can show Powe the ropes. no one is sure how much he has left in the tank. Steve Piscitelli - Safety depth, sort of. Brandon Siler - Appeared to be a terrific pickup until he hit the IR. Keary Colbert - Has a roster spot. Maybe he can show some of his old magic. Le'ron McClain - An all-pro FB should provide excellent improvement in the short yardage running game, an area sorely missed last season. Free Agency Grade: B- We have added some players, however I would say Pioli has only done a slightly above-average job thusfar acquiring talent through free agency. Pioli's overall grade: B He has substantially improved the roster and the coaching staff. However, he has a long way to go to bring us to the Bowl.
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HemiEd Supporter Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ozarks Casino cash: $-309436	His first draft was an F-, but he did get a late start. If only he had of deferred that draft to our draftabulators, this team would be Super Bowl bound. His next two have been stellar, and this team seems to no longer be devoid of talent. I love the fire Haley brings, and his self confidence to do it his own way. I would give Pioli a solid B+.
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