Chiefs Am I the only one here that still wants the Chiefs to win some games this season? - Page 4

Dr. Johnny Fever · 09-13-2011, 09:23 PM

I know I'm just The Royals fan so what do I know... that's fine. I also know the loss of Moeaki and Berry is really damaging so hopes are down. We stunk in week 1 so if we can't beat or even be competitive with the Bills at home what hope do we have...?

I know a lot of people want Andrew Luck... I'd like to see a QB like that in KC too. But I'm not ready to tank the season after one week in hopes that we get the top pick.... THEN actually take him.

This team won the division last year. We added some talent... maybe not enough depth. But the team is young and SHOULD get better. If we can't compete because of the loss of one guy on each side of the ball then I'd guess we weren't nearly as good as we thought last year. Yes... easy schedule... so what. You can only win the games you play. Yes this year the schedule is hard... so what. Rising teams should get better.

Cassel isn't great... Haley went full reerun in pre-season... I get it.

I'm just wondering if most of you guys/gals have really given up already or if the talk here since Sunday is more of a coping mechanism.

Feel free to say stfu baseball fan... just honestly on my mind.

Dr. Johnny Fever · 09-13-2011, 09:56 PM

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Originally Posted by luv

You still a maybe on the Vikings game?

Told my buddy no today so he could get tix with other friends. Sorry. It's a financial thing mostly.

**alnorth** · 09-13-2011, 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by beer me

Like I said I'd love to have a QB like Luck. I don't follow college football but I've seen some interviews with him and I just love his attitude and demeanor. Think he'll be a real star.

But me being a baseball fan first should tell you all you need to know about my expectations. The Royals have drafted near first for many of the past several years. One player doesn't mean championship, not even Andrew Luck. We get him... he'll play as a rookie and even Peyton Manning didn't win in his rookie season. Does it mean we might have a great cornerstone for the future? Sure... if everything works out. I'd rather see my teams win than lose in the short term and the long term. Andrew Luck as a Chief gaurantees you absolutely nothing.

This is not baseball. Drafting a franchise QB is like 6 top-3 first-round picks in baseball. Given the incredibly high failure rate of high picks in baseball and the enormous value a QB has to his team in football, you are greatly underestimating how important it is to get a franchise QB.

Only a few, a very small precious few, teams get an opportunity to draft a franchise QB. It isn't a guarantee of a super bowl (see: Miami Dolphins) but it gives you a really big leg up while everyone else is trying to make do with an average QB, a great defense, and a lot of prayer.

**Bugeater** · 09-13-2011, 09:59 PM

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Originally Posted by beer me

Told my buddy no today so he could get tix with other friends. Sorry. It's a financial thing mostly.

Translated: I'm not wasting my hard-earned cash on watching a fugging trainwreck.

**007** · 09-13-2011, 09:59 PM

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Originally Posted by kysirsoze

Dear God. If we have a chance at Luck and pass, I might have to have Pioli killed.

Get ready for it. If we actually have the first pick (we won't by the way) Pioli WILL trade down.

**alnorth** · 09-13-2011, 09:59 PM

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Originally Posted by lcarus

I'm not gonna jump on the "suck for luck" bandwagon until it's a realistic possibility. You know...if we're 0-7 or something then I'll start thinking about it.

0-5 might be good enough to not be too early. At that point we will have just lost to the Colts and will be starting to get into the meat of our schedule.

Bump · 09-13-2011, 09:59 PM

let's face it, we are not NFL ready right now. Blame it on the lockout, blame it on injuries, blame in on Haley, whatever. We're not an NFL team right now, OU or Standford would have raped us on Sunday. We need a franchise QB if we ever want to get over any sort of hump. **** it, we need to do this.

Dr. Johnny Fever · 09-13-2011, 10:00 PM

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Originally Posted by alnorth

This is not baseball. Drafting a franchise QB is like 6 first-round picks in baseball. Given the incredibly high failure rate of high picks in baseball and the enormous value a QB has to his team in football, you are greatly underestimating how important it is to get a franchise QB.

Only a few, a very small precious few, teams get an opportunity to draft a franchise QB. It isn't a guarantee of a super bowl (see: Miami Dolphins) but it gives you a really big leg up while everyone else is trying to make do with an average QB, a great defense, and a lot of prayer.

I understand that. I'd love to have Luck. In the meantime I'd rather we won the division this year instead of tanking after 1 week. Check back with me if we start 0-8.

**Dave Lane** · 09-13-2011, 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by beer me

I'd have to spend at least $1 a year on the Chiefs to be Clarks wet dream. I root for my hometown team. So sue me for liking wins more than losses.

I'm all in for winning. IF we get Luck I'll be happy for the chance but not the season.

**CrazyPhuD** · 09-13-2011, 10:02 PM

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Originally Posted by luv

I get so sick of the "so-and-so is our savior" bullshit. It's someone different every year. You do NOT tank seasons for draft position. Period.

Yes you do, without even thinking twice about it. Winning 13 games and then going out in the first playoff game is like winning a participation award at the olympics. You do whatever it takes to win a championship and if that means that you're positioning for draft position next year then you absolutely do so.

Now there are obviously concerns about morale, teamwork, etc if you were to pull that strategy, but if you're out of contention and you can intentionally lose, without compromising the ability of the team to buy in and execute your system. Then you do so, because it's all about what gets you to the championship sooner.

At the end of the season the only question you ask is, did you win on superbowl sunday? Everyone who answers no lost, it makes no difference how they got there, at the end, they failed. At that point the only thing that is important is how well positioned you are for the next year.

Without a QB the odds say we are not going to win a super bowl so then the question becomes how do we position ourselves to win a super bowl in the future? Maybe it's Luck or maybe it's someone else, but next year looks to be a strong QB year.

The worst thing that we could have happen is that we end up just average and they think well maybe lets give cassel one more shot. Remember the Chiefs management probably doesn't care THAT much about winning a championship. The most important thing is to sell tickets and a mediocre but 'winning' that's always in contention but will never go all the way will do that(see the 90s and Karl's 100 year plan). The chiefs are a business, so long as they are making money they won't jeopardize that to try to win a championship. Mediocracy is good for them. It's 'safe' and low risk.

Many people in this world love things mediocre. For me, if you care, excellence is the only option.

Dr. Johnny Fever · 09-13-2011, 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Bugeater

Translated: I'm not wasting my hard-earned cash on watching a fugging trainwreck.

That might be part of it but a small part. It's pretty expensive for me to come out for a game being 4 hours away. Gas, food, tix, parking etc.... Things are always tight and I have a couple new expenses this month. That's most of it.

**kysirsoze** · 09-13-2011, 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by alnorth

Assuming Luck is still considered the next Elway on draft day and we pass? I'll find a new team to follow.

I'm dead serious, I'd be done with the chiefs. I can handle not sucking bad enough to get the pick and seeing him slip away to Seattle. I won't put up with "eh, we're good, we got Cassel and Stanzi, lets get some first round defense!" when a franchise QB is on the board and KC has a mountain of cap room.

As mad as I would be, I know I would still be a Chiefs fan. I would be a hell of a lot less invested, though. That would just be horrible. Even if Luck was a bust, passing on him would show such a disinterest in making this team competitive.

**luv** · 09-13-2011, 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Guru

Get ready for it. If we actually have the first pick (we won't by the way) Pioli WILL trade down.

Why won't men just admit when they're wrong about something and move one without trying to make it work?

Dr. Johnny Fever · 09-13-2011, 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by luv

Why won't men just admit when they're wrong about something and move one without trying to make it work?

I've been wrong a lot... but mostly men are suppossed to be leaders (in our minds) so being wrong equals fail. No one likes to fail.

**luv** · 09-13-2011, 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Bugeater

Translated: I'm not wasting my hard-earned cash on watching a fugging trainwreck.

When are you going to get really romantic and take your wife to a Chiefs game.

I miss the Bash.

That's about the only time I really get to see the women behind the men of ChiefsPlanet. Or the women of ChiefsPlanet. I miss my Smitty!

**007** · 09-13-2011, 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted by luv

Why won't men just admit when they're wrong about something and move one without trying to make it work?

Cause he is a GM. The GM is NEVER wrong. i.e. Carl

09-13-2011, 09:23 PM
Dr. Johnny Fever stax of wax Join Date: Feb 2004 Casino cash: $10004900	Am I the only one here that still wants the Chiefs to win some games this season? I know I'm just The Royals fan so what do I know... that's fine. I also know the loss of Moeaki and Berry is really damaging so hopes are down. We stunk in week 1 so if we can't beat or even be competitive with the Bills at home what hope do we have...? I know a lot of people want Andrew Luck... I'd like to see a QB like that in KC too. But I'm not ready to tank the season after one week in hopes that we get the top pick.... THEN actually take him. This team won the division last year. We added some talent... maybe not enough depth. But the team is young and SHOULD get better. If we can't compete because of the loss of one guy on each side of the ball then I'd guess we weren't nearly as good as we thought last year. Yes... easy schedule... so what. You can only win the games you play. Yes this year the schedule is hard... so what. Rising teams should get better. Cassel isn't great... Haley went full reerun in pre-season... I get it. I'm just wondering if most of you guys/gals have really given up already or if the talk here since Sunday is more of a coping mechanism. Feel free to say stfu baseball fan... just honestly on my mind.
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09-13-2011, 09:59 PM	#51
Bump YOU take YOUR seat Join Date: Nov 2007 Casino cash: $-1444895	let's face it, we are not NFL ready right now. Blame it on the lockout, blame it on injuries, blame in on Haley, whatever. We're not an NFL team right now, OU or Standford would have raped us on Sunday. We need a franchise QB if we ever want to get over any sort of hump. **** it, we need to do this.
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